[sailwave]

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flights scoring

Colin - Adding to ”bug” list: Flight Assignments. Apply to these
races *

(all races) will not work. The program stops working.

Martin - I’m preparing for ”Rikskval” and is working with
all the

qualification series right now…… In region 5 I combined 3 series
with

different flighsettings. It worked allright (1.93sat ->).

Regards

Anders Landenstad

Svensk Juniorsegling

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf

Of Martin Bølgen

Sent: den 4 maj 2006 07:55

Subject: [sailwave] Flights scoring

Hi, Colin.

I have some questions about flight racing:

In a round robin series, where all boats remains in the same flight, is

it recomended to use ANY competitor field except the Flight field. Will it

be wrong to use the flight field?

I’m going to combine (merge) several (4) weekend-Round robin series into

one “year overall” series. Boats will change flight assignments from
one

weekend series to another, based on the ranking after each race, but not

during the weekend round robin. Should I then use the flight field during

the weekend race too?

In the Scoring system - Race Scoring - Tab in the Race tie resolution

field, should I check “None” for anyone Flight series? And what is
the

difference here between this and “allow multiple…” under Big
Events? And

what happens if I Check one or both?

For a ISAF Olympic format, with one medal race, wil the last race be

scored double points when I’m checking the "the last race is a medal

race…" in the “finals and medal race” folder in
“scoring system”?

In the “finals and medal race” folder in “scoring
system”, it is possible

to check several options. Does thiiiiis give me the option to combine AppLE

Add.C races and Olympic “medal race”? Rhat is: Can I have quals,
finals AND

medal race in one series?

Is it still you goal to score all fleets in one file? Last weekend there

was a race witht several classes, where only one class should have round

robin flights, and the rest should be doing fleet racing. One of the fleet

racing classes was put together with the “round robin class” in one
file.

This class was set up as “start 3” and the round robin had start 1
and 2.

Even if the start 3 class had one race less than the round robin class,
it

worked just fine! Even when published! I didn’t use “scoring rules”,
but it

would have workked too! (Tested!) What is your reccomandation for this?

regards,

Martin

PS!

What is your opinion Ralph ?

Anyone else?

----- Original Message -----

From: Colin Jenkins

Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:03 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Sorry Ralph, I see you said delete the comumn not the field. Maybe that’s
a

good idea… Apologies for the lecture - ignore me - I’m multi-tasking
and

failing…!

CJ

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Colin Jenkins

Sent: 24 April 2006 14:00

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph,

By Summary I mean the Flight column in the main view and the series summary

when published. I could delete the flight field but something needs the

ability to have race values - and I’ve called it (the concept) a
“flight” -

it could be “fleet” or “flock” but we’d probably end up in
the same boat!..

Think of it like this:-

All competitor fields except Flight have one value per competitor per

series so by implication they have the same value per race.

The flight field is different from all other fields in that it can have

an explicitly different value in each race. Since there is only one
Flight

column in the series view I populate it with the current assignment i.e.

after 4 races it would show the race 5 assignment. I could delete the

Flight column I suppose but I think that the current assignment value is

useful. (?).

I’ve tried to emphasise this by showing Flight in a tab of its own using a

table showing the per race values/assignments. You can either set the

values/assignments by hand or use the flight assignment tool.

CJ

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle

Sent: 24 April 2006 13:47

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Colin

… the Flight column in the summary shows the current
assignment.<<

I am confused again :-0

Not sure what you mean by summary.

I had been planning to recommend that the flight column is totally deleted

to avoid confusion.

Have you added something that I have not found yet??

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: Colin Jenkins
[mailto:colin@sailwave.com]

Sent: 24 April 2006 13:22

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Martin, Anders et al

The latest incarnations of Sailwave try to make “Flight” a
field/concept

that is only used for assignments on a per race basis as the series

progresses. If you are doing Round Robin use any field you like - e.g.

Fleet as Ralph suggested. You can use the Flight field if you wish but

it’s easier to use Fleet or something else because the user interface

actually tries to get in your way a little bit now(on purpose). i.e. in

Sailwave speak, if you’re doing an App LE Add C type of event then you

have to use the “Flight” field - it’s the only one that allows
per race

assignments - that’s what “Flight” means in Sailwave - a competitor

attribute that can have a per race assignment. For everything else it’s

easiest to just ignore it.

When using the Flight field in this way, the Flight column in the summary

shows the current assignment.

CJ

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle

Sent: 24 April 2006 13:07

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Martin - what a coward you are ;-))

For some reason, this latest description now seems very clear!!

I think the latest versions might eventually be what you are looking for - 1

file for each regatta &

1 file for the rankings & re-assignment. Suggest you wait for my Help file.

For this weekend

Open the Big Events tab in the scoring system and tick both options.

Ignore the options in the Finals & Medals races tab

Set up your starts for red v blue, green v white etc

In the past, we have all got confused between flights automatically assigned

by SW (& displayed in

the race columns) & the flights column.

The two are NOT the same!!

To set up the colours for your competitors, the simplest method is to

populate the ‘fleet’ field

which is then used for setting up race starts.

SW has an automatic seeding option which can be used to populate a field

with colours.

This is a little more involved & I have not written the help notes yet.

I seem to remember your regattas being quite large.

If this is the case, I would certainly prepare my data in Excel (incl

fleet/flight colour) & then

import into SW - MUCH MUCH quicker

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: Martin Bølgen
[mailto:martin@seilforening.no]

Sent: 24 April 2006 12:08

href="http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Boating+sailing&w1=Boating+sailing

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi, Ralph!

Well, I’m not sure if I dare to tell… I’ve tried to explain earlier, and

it made a lot of

confusions…

Anyway, This weekend will consist of 6 races in a round robin system: I.e.

the boats stays in the

same flights.

So, for this weekend Round robin will do.

But, this weekend is also a part of a total ranking. The ranking consists of

4 weekend races. Flight

assignments for the 2.nd weekend race is based on the results from the 1st

weekend race. Also the

2nd weekend race is a round robin, BUT we merge them to get a TOTAL. This

total will be the ranking,

and it will form the basis for flight assignments for the 3rd weekend race…

Well, if you think we’re crazy in Norway, I’m sure Anders do the same in

Sweden…

Anyway, the urgent is a round robin!

regards,

Martin Bølgen

97517102/37251906

Grimstad seilforening

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: “Ralph Tingle” rat@attat.com

Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:55:29 +0100

Hi Martin

Which flights system are you using?

Round Robin, where boats stay in same flight throughout the
regatta

AddC where flights are re-assigned each day

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: Martin Bølgen
[mailto:martin@seilforening.no]

Sent: 24 April 2006 11:32

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi, Ralph e.a…

We have a upcoming flightrace this weekend. There will be no
finals.

What is the recomended version at the moment?

Regards,

Martin Bølgen

97517102/37251906

Grimstad seilforening

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

From: “Ralph Tingle” rat@attat.com

Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:41:40 +0100

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------

Thanks Colin

That’s one of my “Actions for Colin”

I have been ‘wrestling’ with how to do Assignments to Finals
fleets.

Current options don’t allow for variable numbers, ties go into higher

group.

The solution (after using a lot of grey cells) is DON’T use the
Flight

Assignment tool!

The finals series is scored separately so we need a field to score
on.

I have used the seeding tool to populate the Flight column which can then

be

amended manually if required.

My notes will probably ask for some sort of ‘Select Competitors’ window

with

a move up/down facility but at least for now, we have a practical

solution

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----

From: Colin Jenkins
[mailto:colin@sailwave.com]

Sent: 24 April 2006 11:29

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Ralph

FYI - have have added code to specify that at least N discards
must be

in

the finals and I have coded the rest of 025. Testing in the next
few

days.

Will post installation file sometime this week.

Regards,

Colin

www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle

Sent: 24 April 2006 11:24

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave]

Hi Anders & other flights gurus

Just to let you know I am in the middle of testing
v1.93Sat (&

writing

the Help file) against AddC & Submission 025.

Colin has fixed a lot of the issues in this area so
now is the time

to

test.

Thought you might like to know, to save you or
others doing the

same

thing.

Trying to get it finished in the next week or so
before my busy

time

starts

Regards

Ralph

 -----Original Message-----<BR>

 From:  Anders

Landenstad [mailto:anders@juniorsegling.se]

 Sent: 24 April 2006 10:23<BR>

 To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com<BR>

 Subject: [sailwave]<BR>

 Hi Colin,<BR>

 When scoring a series with flights you

use "number of boats in

the

biggest start + N" for DNF etc. But when merging diffrerent series
with

I

would like to have it "number of boats in the biggest start in
this race

+

N".

 Possible?<BR>

 Med vänlig hälsning/Regards<BR>

________________________________________________

  Anders

Landenstad

 Svensk Juniorsegling<BR>

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