1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

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Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

2

Hi Ralph,

I've tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
changes take effect. However to work it assumes that start sizes don't
change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it's
likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting
series totals.

I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the 'finals' tab
that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
when at least one finals race has been scored. In this way your finals
scoring system can have this box checked. If you do need to redo some qual
stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
scoring system that would not have it ticked.

Does that make sense...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi!

Some questions…

I see that Ralph is seeding to the Fleet field for the finals, and not Flight. To me this is inconsistent. The seed should logically have been to the flight field… (maybe my logic is wrong).

I have earlier pointed to the fact you are now discovering: DNF etc. is changing. It comes out of “Max boats in anyone start”, but it should have been “Max boats in anyone start for THIS race”. The DNC shal be “Max boats in anyone start”. This would reflect Appendix A, and I can use flights for both long and short series.

Problem: All starts for a race should then be all boats in a specific class. Otherwise I could not have several classes in one file, where some are Fleet racing and some flight racing…

OK?

regards,

Martin

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:58 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Ralph,

I’ve tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
changes take effect. However to work it assumes that start sizes don’t
change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it’s
likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting
series totals.

I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the ‘finals’ tab
that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
when at least one finals race has been scored. In this way your finals
scoring system can have this box checked. If you do need to redo some qual
stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
scoring system that would not have it ticked.

Does that make sense…?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained ‘locked’
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Martin,

I see that Ralph is seeding to the Fleet field for the finals, and not

Flight. To me this is inconsistent. The seed should logically have been to
the flight field.... (maybe my logic is wrong).<<

You can do either, the important thing is to score the final fleets/flights
as separate groups to satisfy App LE Add C 20.3(b) when the fleets/flights
sail a different # of finals races.

I have earlier pointed to the fact you are now discovering: DNF etc. is

changing. It comes out of "Max boats in anyone start", but it should have
been "Max boats in anyone start for THIS race". The DNC shal be "Max boats
in anyone start". This would reflect Appendix A, and I can use flights for
both long and short series.<<

I have promised Anders that I would add max start size for this race as a
start method. Will do ASAP.

Problem: All starts for a race should then be all boats in a specific

class. Otherwise I could not have several classes in one file, where some
are Fleet racing and some flight racing....<<

Sailwave is not really up to mixing a App LE Add C series and a regular
series in the same file, or even two App LE Add C series in teh same file.
You need to use separate files.

Regards,
Colin
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Hi Colin
Sorry for throwing more problems at you.
The issue re DNF is a real one.
For the 9er Worlds/Europeans this summer, the Gold fleets will be 25 boats, irrespective of the
total entry.
Switching into a different number of fleets has be done once to my knowledge so I thought it
worthwhile testing on this basis

You solution looks right & is & user friendly
Once the Finals have started, there should never be any reason why the Qual should be rescored so
tick box is fine.

I presume that it is easier (for you) to have two scoring systems rather than one with everything in
it

Regards
Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 16 May 2006 18:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Ralph,

I've tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
changes take effect. However to work it assumes that start sizes don't
change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it's
likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting
series totals.

I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the 'finals' tab
that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
when at least one finals race has been scored. In this way your finals
scoring system can have this box checked. If you do need to redo some qual
stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
scoring system that would not have it ticked.

Does that make sense...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Martin

When Colin was developing ‘flights’ in the early days, we (or just me) got very confused when flights were being assigned but did not appear in the flights column.

It finally dawned on me that flights data was in the race columns only & when setting up starts the field ‘flights’ represents the flight in the race data NOT the flights column.

During my testing I have come to the conclusion that the flights column is very misleading & have recommended to Colin that this column is removed.

If anyone wants to have a column called Flights, it is easy to rename another column.

The reason I have seeded to the fleet field is to avoid the above confusion but also, to recognise that the Finals series is really normal fleet racing (with Qual scores 'locked).

Hope this explains my logic

Regards

Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 16 May 2006 19:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi!

Some questions…

I see that Ralph is seeding to the Fleet field for the finals, and not Flight. To me this is inconsistent. The seed should logically have been to the flight field… (maybe my logic is wrong).

I have earlier pointed to the fact you are now discovering: DNF etc. is changing. It comes out of “Max boats in anyone start”, but it should have been “Max boats in anyone start for THIS race”. The DNC shal be “Max boats in anyone start”. This would reflect Appendix A, and I can use flights for both long and short series.

Problem: All starts for a race should then be all boats in a specific class. Otherwise I could not have several classes in one file, where some are Fleet racing and some flight racing…

OK?

regards,

Martin

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:58 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Ralph,

I've tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
changes take effect.  However to work it assumes that start sizes don't
change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it's
likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting

series totals.

I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the 'finals' tab
that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
when at least one finals race has been scored.  In this way your finals
scoring system can have this box checked.  If you do need to redo some qual
stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
scoring system that would not have it ticked.

Does that make sense...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals

But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Ralph,

Hi Colin

Sorry for throwing more problems at you.
The issue re DNF is a real one.
For the 9er Worlds/Europeans this summer, the Gold fleets will be 25 boats,
irrespective of the
total entry.
Switching into a different number of fleets has be done once to my knowledge
so I thought it
worthwhile testing on this basis<<

No worries (sorry, my children say it all the time and I've started using it
now), I'm v grateful to you for testing this.

You solution looks right & is & user friendly

Once the Finals have started, there should never be any reason why the Qual
should be rescored so
tick box is fine.<<

If necessary they can be scored again by unticking the box and scoring as
one group (can just ignore what happens to the finals since they'll sort
themselves out again later), or applying a different scoring system that did
not have the box ticked, so it doesn't actually cut us off completely.

I presume that it is easier (for you) to have two scoring systems rather

than one with everything in
it<<

For now yes - but what we're evolving towards here is a separate scoring
system for quals and finals (and medal race)...

Regards
Ralph

PS: This Winter I may completely restructure Sailwave - it's obvious users
like to keep everything in one file for an event or season of club racing,
rather than load separate files. My thinking is to only allow one file to
be open, but, in that file can be lots of series sharing the same repitore
of scoring systems etc (Setup menu essentially), but, all having an
independent number of races/competitors. If you could then 'flow' results
from one series to the next Q, F and M races could be 3 series flowing into
one another, each with their own scoring system - it would actually simplify
the scoring system. It would also be useful for rating system analysis for
club racing 'cos all the data is one one place for a season. Ditto ISAF
Youth Worlds and the Volvo prize etc etc.

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 16 May 2006 18:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Ralph,

I've tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
changes take effect. However to work it assumes that start sizes don't
change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it's
likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting
series totals.

I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the 'finals' tab
that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
when at least one finals race has been scored. In this way your finals
scoring system can have this box checked. If you do need to redo some qual
stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
scoring system that would not have it ticked.

Does that make sense...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Ralph,

I think you are absolutely right about the flight column - it must go. As
you have realised, in Sailwave, a flight is a race specific piece of
information for each competitor (and must be) - as emphasized by the fact
you can choose to see flights in the droop down viewing menu (which can be
used to publish flight assignments). I can also them get rid of the legacy
checkbox saying all 'flights are the same' - there are some upgrade
implications for legacy series that use the flight column, but it's doable.

There is then no ambiguity or cause for confusion.

Regards,
Colin
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Hi, Ralph!

It was not only you who were confused…

So: Assigning to flights is what you do when you populate the race-flight field? And: There is NO connection between the flight coloumn and the race-flight field?

Hope the last sentence is correct!!

I do agree about removing the flight coloumn! I’ve agreed with you the last year!

Regarding renamining of coloumns: In Norway we do that lots of the time, because we wants to publish our lists in our spoken language… The same as you want to… Well, we’re calling it “renaming”, but it’s not! It more like giving it an alias, and it is hard to work with. Especially for MY slippery brain. So, when I rename the coloumn “Helm” to norwegian “Navn” I need to remember that “navn” actually is “Helm” when I want to use it with a selector later.

My wish is that if you rename a coloumn, you actually RENAME it.

Haven’t scored a big 9’er event for a while, so I had forgotten how to do the finals… I see that you’ll need to have different sizes of the flights, and that the’re actually are doing fleet racing in kind of “different classes”.

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Ralph Tingle

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:59 AM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Martin

When Colin was developing ‘flights’ in the early days, we (or just me) got very confused when flights were being assigned but did not appear in the flights column.

It finally dawned on me that flights data was in the race columns only & when setting up starts the field ‘flights’ represents the flight in the race data NOT the flights column.

During my testing I have come to the conclusion that the flights column is very misleading & have recommended to Colin that this column is removed.

If anyone wants to have a column called Flights, it is easy to rename another column.

The reason I have seeded to the fleet field is to avoid the above confusion but also, to recognise that the Finals series is really normal fleet racing (with Qual scores 'locked).

Hope this explains my logic

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 16 May 2006 19:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi!

Some questions…

I see that Ralph is seeding to the Fleet field for the finals, and not Flight. To me this is inconsistent. The seed should logically have been to the flight field.... (maybe my logic is wrong).

I have earlier pointed to the fact you are now discovering: DNF etc. is changing. It comes out of "Max boats in anyone start", but it should have been "Max boats in anyone start for THIS race". The DNC shal be "Max boats in anyone start". This would reflect Appendix A, and I can use flights for both long and short series.

Problem: All starts for a race should then be all boats in a specific class. Otherwise I could not have several classes in one file, where some are Fleet racing and some flight racing....

OK?

regards,

Martin

----- Original Message -----

From:
Colin Jenkins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 7:58 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Ralph,

  I've tried to get away without actually locking the Quals so that any
  changes take effect.  However to work it assumes that start sizes don't
  change before quals and finals; which they do in your scenario - and it's
  likely in practice too - DNF etc is changing from 9 to 12 which is affecting

series totals.

  I see no alternative other then to add another tickbox in the 'finals' tab
  that skips the caluclation of Q race points (effectivelt locking the race)
  when at least one finals race has been scored.  In this way your finals
  scoring system can have this box checked.  If you do need to redo some qual
  stuff then that tick box can either be unticked, or you apply the qual
  scoring system that would not have it ticked.

  Does that make sense...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

  -----Original Message-----
  From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

  It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
  I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

  Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

  I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
  This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals

But let all other settings the same

  As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
  I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
  (before entering some finals races)

  Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :-(
  The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded

places.

  When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
  When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Martin Bølgen wrote:

Regarding renamining of coloumns: In
Norway we do that lots of the time, because we wants to publish our
lists in our spoken language… The same as you want to… Well,
we’re calling it “renaming”, but it’s not! It more like giving it an
alias, and it is hard to work with. Especially for MY slippery brain.
So, when I rename the coloumn “Helm” to norwegian “Navn” I need to
remember that “navn” actually is “Helm” when I want to use it with a
selector later.

My wish is that if you rename a
coloumn, you actually RENAME it.

I heartily agree with you Martin - it’s the main grumble I get when
novices get use Sailwave to enter competitors at Open Meetings and we
have lots of re-named fields. I think Colin has it on one of his
‘to-do’ lists :wink:

Mike Croker

Lancing SC

11

Colin

This is a REAL pain & totally agree with Martin.

With the AddC stuff, we now have races which may be Q1, F1 M but still need to refer to race numbers when copying to starts, importing results etc.

Would be nice if renaming issue could be place high in the development list

Regards

Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 17 May 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi, Ralph!

… Regarding renamining of coloumns: In Norway we do that lots of the time, because we wants to publish our lists in our spoken language… The same as you want to… Well, we’re calling it “renaming”, but it’s not! It more like giving it an alias, and it is hard to work with. Especially for MY slippery brain. So, when I rename the coloumn “Helm” to norwegian “Navn” I need to remember that “navn” actually is “Helm” when I want to use it with a selector later.

My wish is that if you rename a coloumn, you actually RENAME it.

12

:slight_smile:

try 1.93 b3 on the web site

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 18 May 2006 16:23
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Renaming columns

Colin

This is a REAL pain & totally agree with Martin.

With the AddC stuff, we now have races which may be Q1, F1 M but still need to refer to race numbers when copying to starts, importing results etc.

Would be nice if renaming issue could be place high in the development list

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 17 May 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi, Ralph!

… Regarding renamining of coloumns: In Norway we do that lots of the time, because we wants to publish our lists in our spoken language… The same as you want to… Well, we’re calling it “renaming”, but it’s not! It more like giving it an alias, and it is hard to work with. Especially for MY slippery brain. So, when I rename the coloumn “Helm” to norwegian “Navn” I need to remember that “navn” actually is “Helm” when I want to use it with a selector later.

My wish is that if you rename a coloumn, you actually RENAME it.
13

Having said that - itve only dealt with edit+competitor and the start (etc) expressions - i need to extend it to importing and other contexts

CJ

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Colin Jenkins
Sent: 18 May 2006 16:32
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Renaming columns

:slight_smile:

try 1.93 b3 on the web site

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 18 May 2006 16:23
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Renaming columns

Colin

This is a REAL pain & totally agree with Martin.

With the AddC stuff, we now have races which may be Q1, F1 M but still need to refer to race numbers when copying to starts, importing results etc.

Would be nice if renaming issue could be place high in the development list

Regards

Ralph

-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Bølgen [mailto:martin@seilforening.no]
Sent: 17 May 2006 10:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi, Ralph!

… Regarding renamining of coloumns: In Norway we do that lots of the time, because we wants to publish our lists in our spoken language… The same as you want to… Well, we’re calling it “renaming”, but it’s not! It more like giving it an alias, and it is hard to work with. Especially for MY slippery brain. So, when I rename the coloumn “Helm” to norwegian “Navn” I need to remember that “navn” actually is “Helm” when I want to use it with a selector later.

  My wish is that if you rename a coloumn, you actually RENAME it.
14

Hi Ralph,

This is now fixed in version 1.94 build 4 which is available on the website.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 16 May 2006 16:55
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] 1.93b2 AddC Testing BUG??

Hi Colin
Could you have a look at the attached test file please

It is the end of Qualifying & boats have been allocated to finals fleets.
I have used the seeding tool to Fleet column, not fight assignment tool

Qual had 4 flights but finals have 3 (to give SW a good test!)

I created a Finals scoring system by copying the Qual Series
This is to reflect that DNF etc will be different in the finals
But let all other settings the same

As a test to make sure Qual results remained 'locked'
I scored using the finals series & scored groups separately
(before entering some finals races)

Unfortunately this changed some of the scores :frowning:
The problem seems to be that in races 4 & 6, I re-arranged the recorded
places.

When I score using the Qual series, the rearranged place is used
When I score using the Finals series, the original place is used.

Is this a bug
or
Am I trying to do something you did not allow for?

Regards
Ralph

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Hi, colin!

In Scoring system “Finals and Medal races” folder, I suggest that the field “finals discard profile” should change name. It’s not a “discard profile”, it’s just an option to say “How many discards is possible from the final races?”

Regards,

Martin

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Hi Maartin,

Not sure I follow you. It’s like the normal discard profile, x discards when 1 finals sailed, 2 discards when 3 finals sailed…

Regards,
Colin
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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Martin Bølgen
Sent: 23 June 2006 00:13
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] 1.95b5

Hi, colin!

In Scoring system “Finals and Medal races” folder, I suggest that the field “finals discard profile” should change name. It’s not a “discard profile”, it’s just an option to say “How many discards is possible from the final races?”

Regards,

Martin