HI SUG Members,
It is planned to release updated rating files of 2026 ratings for RYA, SCHRS and Great Lakes on Saturday 21st February 2026 around 12 noon, respecting a request from the RYA regarding their updated rating list.
Kind regards,
Huw
The actual 2026 ratings are available now on their website for PY.
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Hi Sean,
Thank you for heads up.
We were asked not to release Sailwave compatible files until Saturday. So we are doing so.
Kind regards,
Huw
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Good to see Sailwave so recognised by the RYA that you get the early release with embargo!
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Hi SUG Members,
A question was asked on the chat bot about the ‘Zenith’ having two RYA PN’s, one in Experimental section of the RYA 2026 list and the other in the RYA Limited list.
There are two Zeniths; the very new Hartley single-handed boat and the much older Zenith designed by Ian Proctor and first built in 1959. The latter is a 2-person spinnaker trapeze dinghy which I found information about on the CVRDA website -
Zenith – CVRDA – Classic & Vintage Racing Dinghy Association
I hope you find the information interesting.
Kind regards,
Huw
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I watched with interest the discussion with the RYA Adam Parry about the class configuration list. I couldn’t see in Sailwave where you would record that for when submitting results to PY online? Is Sailwave able to do that?
Hi Sean,
Currently Sailwave does use the new RYA unique class id to best of my knowledge.
Adding a field for this information to Sailwave would break the current data structures, I think. Jon is best placed to answer that.
Just thinking about this whilst typing a reply. One way it might be incorporated within current Sailwave data structures is to have unique code add to start of class name or to end of class name. This then gets extracted during upload to PY Online and included as separate data field for RYA during upload.
Jon is the person to properly answer this.
Kind regards,
Huw
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Hi SUG Members,
Follow-up to my previous post in this thread.
Adding the RYA unique class code to the beginning or the end of the class field in Sailwave would possibly work for RYA rating files. With a bit of work it could possibly also work for Great Lakes ratings by adding RYA unique class identifier to rating file. However, results using SCRS PY Lookalike and other rating systems that might get uploaded to PY Online do not have a RYA unique class code, at least at present.
Definitely more thought needs to be applied.
Kind regards,
Huw
Hi Sean,
I did notice that the latest Ratings published by the RYA does have a class ID number on it with this note above
*The configuration spelling error (above) is the RYA's, not mine by the way.*RYA Class ID has been designed to help improve data accuracy. For any class configuations that do not have a unique ID please contact the RYA at technical@rya.org.uk. The Class list can be found on the RYA Portsmouth Yardstick page
They have not notified me at all as to how they expect it to be used or really what purpose/advantage it provides. Surely a unique Class name would be far better and much easier to remember/use. Who would want to use/say I’m racing in the 190 class rather than say I’m in the ILCA 6 class? I personally can’t see any advantage - Do we publish both when we publish the results? Making sure the Class name is unique to describe what you are sailing seems to be far more sensible to me.
Jon
Hi Jon & Sean,
The RYA unique class id is to make it easier to identify variants of a class, for example:
69 COMET TRIO MK 1
70 COMET TRIO MK 2
253 MIRROR
507 MIRROR - NO SPINNAKER
254 MIRROR - SINGLEHANDED WITH SPINNAKER
255 MIRROR SINGLEHANDED NO SPINNAKER
84 DART 15 / SPRINT 15
86 “DART 15 SPORT / SPRINT 15 SPORT”
140 FLYING FIFTEEN CLASSIC (1-2700)
141 FLYING FIFTEEN SILVER (2701-3400)
196 INTERNATIONAL MOTH
197 INTERNATIONAL MOTH - NO FOILS
263 National 18 - Classic
264 National 18 - Penultimate
265 National 18 - Ultimate
548 National 18 - Ultra
303 RS200
460 RS200 - NO SPINNAKER
142 FLYING FIFTEEN
Kind regards,
Huw
Hi
I understand that but why not just make the class name unique. Much easier for everyone to understand. I know computers like numbers but this is for humans to use
RS200 and RS200NS. Would be much better than
Class 303 and Class 460
You are much more likely to notice a mistake
Jon
Best I can establish its useful to the RYA for classes like the National 12 that have a huge range of configurations like double hull, clinker, foiling rudder etc. So they potentially would release a separate class than only National 12. Same for Graduates where some sail single handed and that’s a different class ID. One way in Sailwave is an additional drop down which after selecting a class would offer only those id’s relevant to that class. Its a ton of work and programming for you Gurus with a somewhat nebulous benefit for everyone. I did start adding the i’ds in a different field as a record but gave up as I cant send that to RYA anyway via the plugin. No ideas if Hal does it, which was the other system they mentioned.
Hi Sean,
There is a way you could included the RYA unique class id in your PY Online submission, but don’t know how RYA might use the class name then.
There are two ways I can think of doing so but you may not want to publish the normal results with a class name that includes the RYA unique class id. However, there is a way round that.
I will contact the RYA to ask how they expect scoring software such as Sailwave to make use of the RYA unique class id when posting results to RYA Online.
Kind regards,
Huw
But if you actually look at the RYA class list (available as download), the RYA class name against each number IS unique - by tagging on the extra Singlehanded, Spinnaker etc they make it so. The new Zenith is named Hartley Zenith, the original one is just Zenith. And yes, I know of a couple of old ones still around.
There is plenty of duplication of class names but those of us managing dinghy databases have to find a solution, usually by prefixing with manufacturer name.