Is there any way of abandoning racing for fleets but having results
in other fleets for the same race. We are running a series for the
North of Scotland Sailing Squad and have 8 to 18 year old sailors in
different fleets, e.g. Laser, Topper 1, Topper 2 etc. Our last race
saw the wind pick up and we abandoned the race for all fleets bar the
Lasers. The results are overall and fleet. How can I abandon the
race for certain fleets but not for the Lasers?
Paul Bartlett
Hi Paul,
Is there any way of abandoning racing for fleets but having results
in other fleets for the same race. We are running a series for the
North of Scotland Sailing Squad and have 8 to 18 year old sailors
in
different fleets, e.g. Laser, Topper 1, Topper 2 etc. Our last
race
saw the wind pick up and we abandoned the race for all fleets bar
the
Lasers. The results are overall and fleet. How can I abandon the
race for certain fleets but not for the Lasers?
Leave the results blank for those fleets that didn't sail and enter
results for the fleet that did. When sailwave score the fleets
separately, it'll count the sailed races correctly on a per fleet
basis.
If you want to indicate that a race was held for a fleet but nobody
turned up (which is a slightly different scenario) enter all DNCs for
a fleet (actually just enter one and Sailwave will auto-enter the
rest when scoring).
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
Thanks Colin
Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all fleets
blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the overall
results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets Sailwave
leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is abandoned
then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
fleets and hence no points.
Hi Paul,
> Is there any way of abandoning racing for fleets but having
results
> in other fleets for the same race. We are running a series for
the
> North of Scotland Sailing Squad and have 8 to 18 year old sailors
in
> different fleets, e.g. Laser, Topper 1, Topper 2 etc. Our last
race
> saw the wind pick up and we abandoned the race for all fleets bar
the
> Lasers. The results are overall and fleet. How can I abandon
the
> race for certain fleets but not for the Lasers?
>Leave the results blank for those fleets that didn't sail and enter
results for the fleet that did. When sailwave score the fleets
separately, it'll count the sailed races correctly on a per fleet
basis.If you want to indicate that a race was held for a fleet but nobody
turned up (which is a slightly different scenario) enter all DNCs
for
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "sailwavedev" <colin@s...> wrote:
a fleet (actually just enter one and Sailwave will auto-enter the
rest when scoring).Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
Hi Paul,
Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
fleets
blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the overall
results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets Sailwave
leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned
then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
fleets and hence no points.
If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.
If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score across
fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to fix
it in the short term and upload it tonight...
CJ
If the fleets are being scored combined and not all the competitors were allowed to complete the race, then the race should not be counted in the combined score. It should however be counted only in the Laser fleet result. Otherwise you have provided an unfair advantage to the Laser fleet by allowing them to sail.
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 04:23:46 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Abandoning races
`Hi Paul,
Maybe I didn’t put my question across well enough. All fleets
started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
fleets
blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the overall
results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets Sailwave
leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned
then I don’t want to count this race towards the series for the
fleets and hence no points.
If you’re scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.
If you’re at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score across
fleets… If you’re in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
that’s the case, let me know and I’ll hack something for you to fix
it in the short term and upload it tonight…
CJ
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Hi Mark,
Yes that makes more sense; I'll change it to work like that; it's
just that I'd never envisaged fleets being scored together unless
they all sailed the same races on the same course and involved in the
same starts. The fleet facility (soon to be replaced by someting
much more general and powerful) has been an incremental hack to be
honest and is totally inadequate...
Regards,
Colin
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If the fleets are being scored combined and not all the competitors
were
allowed to complete the race, then the race should not be counted
in the
combined score. It should however be counted only in the Laser
fleet result.
Otherwise you have provided an unfair advantage to the Laser fleet
by
allowing them to sail.
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 04:23:46 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Abandoning racesHi Paul,
> Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
> started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
> fleets
> blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the
overall
> results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets
Sailwave
> leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned
> then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
> fleets and hence no points.If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score
across
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fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to fix
it in the short term and upload it tonight...CJ
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Colin
Having thought about it, I started playing around with the scoring
codes to try and set up a Abandon (ABD) code. The problem I had was
the points for such a code. There should be no points scored for an
abandoned race. If you set the points to zero then those competitors
with ABD code jump up the table with zero points.
Is there any way you could set up a ABD code that isn't included in
the scoring or the discards. I realise I could use a high point code
to discard it first but a proper code would be great
Thanks
Paul
P.S. It was the first race of a 16 race series!
Hi Paul,
> Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
> started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
> fleets
> blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the
overall
> results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets
Sailwave
> leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned
> then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
> fleets and hence no points.If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score
across
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "sailwavedev" <colin@s...> wrote:
fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to fix
it in the short term and upload it tonight...CJ
Your problem appears to be with your Sailing Instructions not with Sailwave. How have you covered how you will score a partially abandoned race in your sailing instructions?
It appears from your notes that you have several classes that are scored separately and are also coring them as a combined fleet. Because you have abandoned the race for some competitors and not others it is not possible to fairly count this race in the combined series. A solution to your problem would be to give all the competitors whose race was abandoned average points. This would seem to be the most equitable solution. The only other solution that would work is to exclude the race from the combined series.
Mark Townsend
-------Original Message-------
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 01, 2003 02:56:34 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Abandoning races
`Colin
Having thought about it, I started playing around with the scoring
codes to try and set up a Abandon (ABD) code. The problem I had was
the points for such a code. There should be no points scored for an
abandoned race. If you set the points to zero then those competitors
with ABD code jump up the table with zero points.
Is there any way you could set up a ABD code that isn’t included in
the scoring or the discards. I realise I could use a high point code
to discard it first but a proper code would be great
Thanks
Paul
P.S. It was the first race of a 16 race series!
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “sailwavedev” <colin@s…> wrote:
Hi Paul,
Maybe I didn’t put my question across well enough. All fleets started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all fleets blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the
overall results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets
Sailwave leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned then I don’t want to count this race towards the series for the fleets and hence no points.
`
If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.
If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score across fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to fix it in the short term and upload it tonight...
CJ
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Paul,
WRT your position with the Lasers. I cannot do what I said and change the
semantics when scoring across fleets; it must be totally independent of
fleets so that it can be generalised in the future. A solution would be to
do this at the end of each day's sailing: score by fleet and publish,
SaveAs to a different file, open that file and use the tools menu to remove
all results for a race in which only one fleet (say) sailed, score across
fleets and publish. Sounds cumbersome but it pretty quick and only needed
once per day.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Planned changes will solve the matter in the
future.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
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From: paul_bartlettuk [mailto:paul_bartlettuk@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 01 May 2003 10:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Abandoning races
Colin
Having thought about it, I started playing around with the scoring
codes to try and set up a Abandon (ABD) code. The problem I had was
the points for such a code. There should be no points scored for an
abandoned race. If you set the points to zero then those competitors
with ABD code jump up the table with zero points.
Is there any way you could set up a ABD code that isn't included in
the scoring or the discards. I realise I could use a high point code
to discard it first but a proper code would be great
Thanks
Paul
P.S. It was the first race of a 16 race series!
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "sailwavedev" <colin@s...> wrote:
Hi Paul,
> Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
> started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
> fleets
> blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the
overall
> results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets
Sailwave
> leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
abandoned
> then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
> fleets and hence no points.If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across fleets.If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score
across
fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to fix
it in the short term and upload it tonight...CJ
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Thanks for that Colin
The Lasers are the oldest sailors (16+) so generally they race
whatever. The other fleets get younger and less experienced down to
8 year olds that are just starting to race. Hence, when the wind
gets up not all fleets race. In the case of the first race at
Chanonry, we saw a squal coming so abandoned all fleets bar the
Lasers from a safety point of view.
I will try your method. At the moment all sailors that started but
were abandoned got DNF (# of starters +1) and those that didn't enter
got DNC (# in fleet +2) so they are still better off than those that
didn't attend. It is 8 out of 16 so they should be discarding this
DNF anyway.
Keep up the good work and the pint!
Paul Bartlett
Paul,
WRT your position with the Lasers. I cannot do what I said and
change the
semantics when scoring across fleets; it must be totally
independent of
fleets so that it can be generalised in the future. A solution
would be to
do this at the end of each day's sailing: score by fleet and
publish,
SaveAs to a different file, open that file and use the tools menu
to remove
all results for a race in which only one fleet (say) sailed, score
across
fleets and publish. Sounds cumbersome but it pretty quick and only
needed
once per day.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Planned changes will solve the matter
in the
future.
Regards,
Colin J
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Sent: 01 May 2003 10:43
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Abandoning racesColin
Having thought about it, I started playing around with the scoring
codes to try and set up a Abandon (ABD) code. The problem I had was
the points for such a code. There should be no points scored for an
abandoned race. If you set the points to zero then those
competitors
with ABD code jump up the table with zero points.
Is there any way you could set up a ABD code that isn't included in
the scoring or the discards. I realise I could use a high point
code
to discard it first but a proper code would be great
Thanks
PaulP.S. It was the first race of a 16 race series!
> Hi Paul,
>
> > Maybe I didn't put my question across well enough. All fleets
> > started but all bar the Lasers were abandoned. If I leave all
> > fleets
> > blank bar the Lasers then Sailwave scores them DNC for the
overall
> > results and gives them points. If I then score the fleets
Sailwave
> > leaves the DNC for all boats bar the Lasers. If the race is
> abandoned
> > then I don't want to count this race towards the series for the
> > fleets and hence no points.
>
> If you're scoring the boats across fleets and by fleet then yes it
> falls over because of the the DNCs added when scoring across
fleets.
>
> If you're at the end of the regatta, you could clear the results
> except for the lasers, score by fleet, publish and then score
across
> fleets... If you're in the middle of a regatta, while you can do
> that, the DNCs will come back when you score across fleets - if
> that's the case, let me know and I'll hack something for you to
fix
> it in the short term and upload it tonight...
>
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