Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
"For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8"
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
Hi Ralph,
It's always tie-breaking that's messed with - I'm sure it makes no
difference...
Cant that be handled with the nw finals discard thingy...?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 06 July 2006 17:31
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
"For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score
are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8"
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think
things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind
you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
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Not sure about the Finals thingy will work.
For the Lasers, Net scores should be calculated after discards
but only if there is a tie, should the finals discard then be taken into account.
Wouldn’t it be nice if ISAF could have standard scoring systems that cannot be changed.
Its a bit like FIFA allowing some countries to score 4 points for a goal & 2 points for a corner
But then if we had a standard system, you would have nothing to do all day 
Keep up the good work, at least St Peter will wave you through without stopping!
Regards
Ralph
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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 06 July 2006 19:14
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Ralph,
It’s always tie-breaking that’s messed with - I’m sure it makes no
difference…
Cant that be handled with the nw finals discard thingy…?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 06 July 2006 17:31
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
“For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score
are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8”
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think
things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind
you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
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ISAF does have a standard system - but it allows clubs and classes to modify the scoring system to suit local circumstances. Mainly because there is widespread resistance in certain countries to standardisation!
Different nautical cultures allow more or less freedom to club or classes. I lived in France for many years. There, all clubs and classes tend to follow the French Sailing Federation guidelines (including using the Federations scoring programme that links straight into the national ranking tables). If you don’t you are very definitely outside the loop. British and Irish practice seems to be that clubs and classes are far more independent, and the national authority’s influence is far less important.
The race official’s job is far easier in France.
Gordon DAVIES
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From:
Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Not sure about the Finals thingy will work.
For the Lasers, Net scores should be calculated after discards
but only if there is a tie, should the finals discard then be taken into account.
Wouldn’t it be nice if ISAF could have standard scoring systems that cannot be changed.
Its a bit like FIFA allowing some countries to score 4 points for a goal & 2 points for a corner
But then if we had a standard system, you would have nothing to do all day
Keep up the good work, at least St Peter will wave you through without stopping!
Regards
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 06 July 2006 19:14
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Ralph,
It's always tie-breaking that's messed with - I'm sure it makes no
difference…
Cant that be handled with the nw finals discard thingy...?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 06 July 2006 17:31
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
“For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score
are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8”
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think
things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind
you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
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The race official’s job is far easier in France.<<
Just come back from a race in France & can certainly support this view
What was really interesting is that the PRO was appointed by the FFV, even though it was not an FFV event.
When I came into sailing, I was amazed to see how much flexibility we have in the UK to change how races are run.
I suspect that if we followed FFV, Colin’s job would be much easier & there would be less complaints from competitors about race officers who think they are God 
Regards
Ralph
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From: gordon davies [mailto:gordondavies@eircom.net]
Sent: 09 July 2006 15:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] AddC Variation
ISAF does have a standard system - but it allows clubs and classes to modify the scoring system to suit local circumstances. Mainly because there is widespread resistance in certain countries to standardisation!
Different nautical cultures allow more or less freedom to club or classes. I lived in France for many years. There, all clubs and classes tend to follow the French Sailing Federation guidelines (including using the Federations scoring programme that links straight into the national ranking tables). If you don’t you are very definitely outside the loop. British and Irish practice seems to be that clubs and classes are far more independent, and the national authority’s influence is far less important.
The race official’s job is far easier in France.
Gordon DAVIES
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Not sure about the Finals thingy will work.
For the Lasers, Net scores should be calculated after discards
but only if there is a tie, should the finals discard then be taken into account.
Wouldn't it be nice if ISAF could have standard scoring systems that cannot be changed.
Its a bit like FIFA allowing some countries to score 4 points for a goal & 2 points for a corner
But then if we had a standard system, you would have nothing to do all day **;-)**
Keep up the good work, at least St Peter will wave you through without stopping!
Regards
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 06 July 2006 19:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Ralph,
It's always tie-breaking that's messed with - I'm sure it makes no
difference…
Cant that be handled with the nw finals discard thingy...?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 06 July 2006 17:31
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
“For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score
are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8”
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think
things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind
you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
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As an FFV qualified regional judge I can comment on this.
-
Race officials are nominated by the FFV. If there are not FFV approved officials then the regatta may be recognised for qualification points for the class.
-
It is considered best practice not to officiate in ones own club.
-
The FFV pays travelling and living expenses for nominated officials
-
The race officials are organised through the Federation there is a real “esprit de corps”
-
It took me 2 years to qualify, but I was then guaranteed lots of offers to officiate. I was in the Paris region, officials would meet once a month to discuss developments, sort out any problems arising from recent events.
It should also be remembered that the concept of club racing is largely unknown, especially for dinghies.
Gordon
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From:
Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 6:52 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
The race official’s job is far easier in France.<<
Just come back from a race in France & can certainly support this view
What was really interesting is that the PRO was appointed by the FFV, even though it was not an FFV event.
When I came into sailing, I was amazed to see how much flexibility we have in the UK to change how races are run.
I suspect that if we followed FFV, Colin’s job would be much easier & there would be less complaints from competitors about race officers who think they are God
Regards
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: gordon davies [mailto:gordondavies@eircom.net]
Sent: 09 July 2006 15:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] AddC Variation
ISAF does have a standard system - but it allows clubs and classes to modify the scoring system to suit local circumstances. Mainly because there is widespread resistance in certain countries to standardisation!
Different nautical cultures allow more or less freedom to club or classes. I lived in France for many years. There, all clubs and classes tend to follow the French Sailing Federation guidelines (including using the Federations scoring programme that links straight into the national ranking tables). If you don't you are very definitely outside the loop. British and Irish practice seems to be that clubs and classes are far more independent, and the national authority's influence is far less important.
The race official's job is far easier in France.
Gordon DAVIES
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Not sure about the Finals thingy will work.
For the Lasers, Net scores should be calculated after discards
but only if there is a tie, should the finals discard then be taken into account.
Wouldn't it be nice if ISAF could have standard scoring systems that cannot be changed.
Its a bit like FIFA allowing some countries to score 4 points for a goal & 2 points for a corner
But then if we had a standard system, you would have nothing to do all day **;-)**
Keep up the good work, at least St Peter will wave you through without stopping!
Regards
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 06 July 2006 19:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Ralph,
It's always tie-breaking that's messed with - I'm sure it makes no
difference…
Cant that be handled with the nw finals discard thingy...?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 06 July 2006 17:31
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Colin
Just browsing through SIs for Laser Europeans.
They are holding Qual & Finals with re-assignment every Q day.
No medals race
There are 2 discards but max 1 in the finals series
All looks standard AddC except:
"For boats with scores from final-series races, ties in the regatta score
are broken by final-series
scores with no race score excluded. This changes rule A8"
Not suggesting that you change SW but just goes to show, when we think
things are settling down in
one area so that we can start concentrating on others, it creeps up behind
you & bites you on the
B#%
Regards
Ralph
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Hi Gordon,
It should also be remembered that the concept of club racing is largely
unknown, especially for dinghies.<<
I had no idea that was the case; so young French sailors get event-wise
quickly...
Regards,
Colin
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Most clubs will run a sailing school during school holidays, then on Wednesdays and Saturdays they will run a sailing school, a sports school (beginning racing) and a sports team.
Dinghy sailors train in their clubs then do the local qualifying events in order to get up to a regional then national level. Boats are provided by the (municipally and FFV financed) clubs. The top sailors would usually be sponsored. The very best get a place in a sports orientated secondary school and prepare for the Olympics…
The last club I was involved in ran no more than 8/10 days racing during the year. The active fleet (Snipes) would sail in events locally or further afield (Belgium, Italy, UK, Norway, Poland, Russia, Spain as well as France). The club owned a triple and a double trailer, and, as part of a large multi-sport club, had access to mini-buses for travelling. We would have one big event a month from March to early December. The unusual thing about this club was the large number of adults sailing dinghies. On the coats most 18/20 year olds get crewing jobs on the bigger boats, with free travel, gear etc.
When I sailed First Class 8’s we would train in the winter, under the guidance of a coach, then do the circuit of big events from Easter to June (Spi Ouest, La Rochelle Week etc). No racing in the summer as marinas have little interest in welcoming racing fleets when they are full) and then training for the Nationals in November.
The sailing scene is very different… and in many ways far more family compatible than the short ultra intense season we have in Ireland.
Gordon
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From:
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] AddC Variation
Hi Gordon,
It should also be remembered that the concept of club racing is largely
unknown, especially for dinghies.<<
I had no idea that was the case; so young French sailors get event-wise
quickly…
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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