New to the software, liking it more than the others I've seen, but I'm having problems getting my head around the ratings/handicap system.
Using the example series "startfinish.blw" and I can see that different competitors have various ratings within the same class of boat - as you'd expect.
I am changing the rating system to PHRF. I am then editing each competitor and assigning them identical vessels with a PHRF number of 60 from a table I've entered.
I then click the "Score series" button and the positions are tallied and all looks fine, aside that I would expect each compitors rating to be adjusted according to their performance - which is not happening, their ratings all remain at 60.
So what am I doing wrong?
Hope you can assist me here, this software looks like it could do exactly what I need and is by far the most user friendly I've seen.
Cheers, Steve
I think you have a misconception about how PHRF works. PHRF assigns a rating to a particular type of boat, and all identical boats will have the same rating, irrespective of the experience of a particular skipper. So if one skipper beats another in identical boats every week, the handicaps don't change. The performance is taken into account for the class of boats as a whole, so that if a type of boat seems to be performing better or worse than its handicap, the local PHRF handicappers may decide to change its rating - for all boats of that class.
I hope this helps!
Dave
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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "darcedarce" <steveduggan@...> wrote:
New to the software, liking it more than the others I've seen, but I'm having problems getting my head around the ratings/handicap system.
Using the example series "startfinish.blw" and I can see that different competitors have various ratings within the same class of boat - as you'd expect.
I am changing the rating system to PHRF. I am then editing each competitor and assigning them identical vessels with a PHRF number of 60 from a table I've entered.
I then click the "Score series" button and the positions are tallied and all looks fine, aside that I would expect each compitors rating to be adjusted according to their performance - which is not happening, their ratings all remain at 60.
So what am I doing wrong?
Hope you can assist me here, this software looks like it could do exactly what I need and is by far the most user friendly I've seen.
Cheers, Steve
Yes, you're right on the money there.
I guess I should have asked simply how the personal handicap system should work with Sailwave.
I'm trying to build a system which brings the corrected times of a fleet of disparate boats closer together based upon past placings. Kind of like PHRF but with a crew skill modifier.
I can't get my head around the custom ratings setup. I want to attempt to tighten the bell curve of a fleet.
My thought is to see the top & bottom 15% of fleet average time dropped, then 25% of the difference between competitor and fleet elapsed time (averaged over three races) applied to each competitor.
In an ideal world this would mean that over a season each skipper has a chance to win at least one race (regardless of how old/slow his boat) and the better skippers would have to push harder to win on corrected time.
I can do this in a spreadsheet, but it's too hard to train an operator and it lacks the other features I admire in Sailwave.
Hope you can help me out here 
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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "dthomasdyc" <dthomasdyc@...> wrote:
I think you have a misconception about how PHRF works. PHRF assigns a rating to a particular type of boat, and all identical boats will have the same rating, irrespective of the experience of a particular skipper. So if one skipper beats another in identical boats every week, the handicaps don't change. The performance is taken into account for the class of boats as a whole, so that if a type of boat seems to be performing better or worse than its handicap, the local PHRF handicappers may decide to change its rating - for all boats of that class.
I hope this helps!
Dave
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "darcedarce" <steveduggan@> wrote:
>
> New to the software, liking it more than the others I've seen, but I'm having problems getting my head around the ratings/handicap system.
>
> Using the example series "startfinish.blw" and I can see that different competitors have various ratings within the same class of boat - as you'd expect.
>
> I am changing the rating system to PHRF. I am then editing each competitor and assigning them identical vessels with a PHRF number of 60 from a table I've entered.
>
> I then click the "Score series" button and the positions are tallied and all looks fine, aside that I would expect each compitors rating to be adjusted according to their performance - which is not happening, their ratings all remain at 60.
>
> So what am I doing wrong?
>
> Hope you can assist me here, this software looks like it could do exactly what I need and is by far the most user friendly I've seen.
>
> Cheers, Steve
>
What we do is to average out the BCR's provided by Sailwave over a season, and then use that as the boats PY for the following season. Now you could make that quicker by averaging the BCR's over a series then using the resulting PY for the following series.
I do have an application that you can publish a Sailwave series to that will provide a table of average BCR's
cheers
Tony
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At 11:39 08/06/2010, darcedarce wrote:
Yes, you're right on the money there.
I guess I should have asked simply how the personal handicap system should work with Sailwave.
I'm trying to build a system which brings the corrected times of a fleet of disparate boats closer together based upon past placings. Kind of like PHRF but with a crew skill modifier.
I can't get my head around the custom ratings setup. I want to attempt to tighten the bell curve of a fleet.
My thought is to see the top & bottom 15% of fleet average time dropped, then 25% of the difference between competitor and fleet elapsed time (averaged over three races) applied to each competitor.
In an ideal world this would mean that over a season each skipper has a chance to win at least one race (regardless of how old/slow his boat) and the better skippers would have to push harder to win on corrected time.
I can do this in a spreadsheet, but it's too hard to train an operator and it lacks the other features I admire in Sailwave.
Hope you can help me out here
--- In <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "dthomasdyc" <dthomasdyc@...> wrote:
>
> I think you have a misconception about how PHRF works. PHRF assigns a rating to a particular type of boat, and all identical boats will have the same rating, irrespective of the experience of a particular skipper. So if one skipper beats another in identical boats every week, the handicaps don't change. The performance is taken into account for the class of boats as a whole, so that if a type of boat seems to be performing better or worse than its handicap, the local PHRF handicappers may decide to change its rating - for all boats of that class.
>
> I hope this helps!
>
> Dave
>
> --- In <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "darcedarce" <steveduggan@> wrote:
> >
> > New to the software, liking it more than the others I've seen, but I'm having problems getting my head around the ratings/handicap system.
> >
> > Using the example series "startfinish.blw" and I can see that different competitors have various ratings within the same class of boat - as you'd expect.
> >
> > I am changing the rating system to PHRF. I am then editing each competitor and assigning them identical vessels with a PHRF number of 60 from a table I've entered.
> >
> > I then click the "Score series" button and the positions are tallied and all looks fine, aside that I would expect each compitors rating to be adjusted according to their performance - which is not happening, their ratings all remain at 60.
> >
> > So what am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Hope you can assist me here, this software looks like it could do exactly what I need and is by far the most user friendly I've seen.
> >
> > Cheers, Steve
> >
>