We have one series race that everyone abandoned due to lack of wind. The one RRS that I can find addresses time limits but not abandonment causing a DNF. Are there rules that address this situation, if so, how do I exclude that one race from the results while still showing that those that entered all DNF. Note that we use the low point average system and had one competitor not show up that day. As a result, we all got DNF numbers and that one competitor got his average for the year, causing him to win the series due to the hight DNF numbers the rest of us received.
In my opinion, if the race officer let the race run but no one finished they should get DNF. Why someone should get average points for not racing is a mystery but presumably in your SIs
We have one series race that everyone abandoned due to lack of wind. The one RRS that I can find addresses time limits but not abandonment causing a DNF. Are there rules that address this situation, if so, how do I exclude that one race from the results while still showing that those that entered all DNF. Note that we use the low point average system and had one competitor not show up that day. As a result, we all got DNF numbers and that one competitor got his average for the year, causing him to win the series due to the hight DNF numbers the rest of us received.
First - the RC "abandons" races but individual boats "retire" or just
plain give up and normally we just say they are "DNF" or Did Not Finish
- so we don't confuse ourselves! [If a boat contacts the RC and requests
to be RET then that would be their scoring code instead although that
makes no difference to the analysis below.]
Look at RRS 35, 2nd sentence, and 90.3(a), 2nd sentence.
RRS 35, 2nd sentence says: "If no boat finishes within the time limit,
the race committee shall abandon the race." If you don't have a time
limit for the race then you can delete that and you are left with "If no
boat finishes, the race committee shall abandon the race." You say that
no boat finished so the race committee SHALL abandon. Per the Definition
"Abandon," a race that is abandoned is "void" and doesn't get scored
(unless your NOR and SIs say to do something different).
RRS 90.3(a), 2nd sentence says: "A race shall be scored if ... one boat
sails the course in compliance with rule 28 and finishes within the time
limit, if any." Again, if you don't have a time limit then no boat would
satisfy the requirement and the clear intent is that the race should NOT
be scored if no boat sails the course and finishes.
So, assuming you have not changed the relevant rules in your SIs, if no
boat finishes a race then the race disappears and is ignored completely
for scoring purposes (and no boats get a DNF). But, since you are using
a non-standard scoring system you'll have to make sure you don't change
the relevant rules.
To answer your specific question, you wouldn't "exclude" the race you
would delete it since it should be abandoned and thus void. By the way,
if you are using Sailwave to score a "low point average system" you
might explain how you do it in Sailwave as I think some of the folks
here might be interested (since I don't believe Sailwave can do
"averages" natively).
We have one series race that everyone abandoned due to lack of wind.
The one RRS that I can find addresses time limits but not abandonment
causing a DNF. Are there rules that address this situation, if so,
how do I exclude that one race from the results while still showing
that those that entered all DNF. Note that we use the low point
average system and had one competitor not show up that day. As a
result, we all got DNF numbers and that one competitor got his
average for the year, causing him to win the series due to the hight
DNF numbers the rest of us received.
If the race should not have been scored and it was it can be corrected under 90.3. If this is done and the boat not sailing is not happy he can seek redress.
It is probably too late for the boats that sailed to claim redress, out of time.
The matter lies with the race committee to rescore of leave.
Subject: Re: [sailwave] all competitors dnf for one series race
First - the RC “abandons” races but individual boats “retire” or just
plain give up and normally we just say they are “DNF” or Did Not Finish
so we don’t confuse ourselves! [If a boat contacts the RC and requests
to be RET then that would be their scoring code instead although that
makes no difference to the analysis below.]
Look at RRS 35, 2nd sentence, and 90.3(a), 2nd sentence.
RRS 35, 2nd sentence says: “If no boat finishes within the time limit,
the race committee shall abandon the race.” If you don’t have a time
limit for the race then you can delete that and you are left with “If no
boat finishes, the race committee shall abandon the race.” You say that
no boat finished so the race committee SHALL abandon. Per the Definition
“Abandon,” a race that is abandoned is “void” and doesn’t get scored
(unless your NOR and SIs say to do something different).
RRS 90.3(a), 2nd sentence says: “A race shall be scored if … one boat
sails the course in compliance with rule 28 and finishes within the time
limit, if any.” Again, if you don’t have a time limit then no boat would
satisfy the requirement and the clear intent is that the race should NOT
be scored if no boat sails the course and finishes.
So, assuming you have not changed the relevant rules in your SIs, if no
boat finishes a race then the race disappears and is ignored completely
for scoring purposes (and no boats get a DNF). But, since you are using
a non-standard scoring system you’ll have to make sure you don’t change
the relevant rules.
To answer your specific question, you wouldn’t “exclude” the race you
would delete it since it should be abandoned and thus void. By the way,
if you are using Sailwave to score a “low point average system” you
might explain how you do it in Sailwave as I think some of the folks
here might be interested (since I don’t believe Sailwave can do
“averages” natively).
We have one series race that everyone abandoned due to lack of wind.
The one RRS that I can find addresses time limits but not abandonment
causing a DNF. Are there rules that address this situation, if so,
how do I exclude that one race from the results while still showing
that those that entered all DNF. Note that we use the low point
average system and had one competitor not show up that day. As a
result, we all got DNF numbers and that one competitor got his
average for the year, causing him to win the series due to the hight
DNF numbers the rest of us received.