Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

Matt_W · 14 September 2011 12:38

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

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MalcolmO · 14 September 2011 13:59

For a shore based start, how about a pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru’ a loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video camera to record finishers coming across the finishing line. You should be able to get finishing times from the video capture.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

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Matt_W · 14 September 2011 14:16

Thanks Malcom

Interesting Idea, i may have to look into that, but I was hoping there was some standard way? (and maybe a little cheaper)

I remember hearing of something called a “jackrabbit start” but i am guessing it is more for class racing than it is for handicap racing.

Matt

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Malcolm Osborne malcolmo@telkomsa.net wrote:

For a shore based start, how about a pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru’ a loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video camera to record finishers coming across the finishing line. You should be able to get finishing times from the video capture.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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From:
Matt Woodall

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by *** Kathryn Woodall,***

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.*

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Tony_Tucker · 14 September 2011 14:34

For informal racing you can have everyone record their own time, and designate someone racing as the starter, he shouts out 5, 4, 1 and go. It's not perfect by any means but it will enable sailors to race and get results

cheers
Tony

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At 15:16 14/09/2011, Matt Woodall wrote:

Thanks Malcom

Interesting Idea, i may have to look into that, but I was hoping there was some standard way? (and maybe a little cheaper)

I remember hearing of something called a "jackrabbit start" but i am guessing it is more for class racing than it is for handicap racing.

Matt

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Check out my wife's new novel

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Malcolm Osborne ><<mailto:malcolmo@telkomsa.net>malcolmo@telkomsa.net> wrote:

For a shore based start, how about a pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru' a loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video camera to record finishers coming across the finishing line. You should be able to get finishing times from the video capture.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

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Check out my wife's new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by Kathryn Woodall,

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum's past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.

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Dick_Comcast · 14 September 2011 14:35

The Jackrabbit start will work for either handicap or one design racing. A version of the start is shown in the US Race Management manual but that requires a support boat. The version I have used simply has a pre-selected boat proceed on port tack and at some point sound a horn. Other boats then start by passing astern of the port tack boat. When all boats have started or at some pre determined time after the starting sound the port tack boat tacks with another signal or simply sounds another signal if it desires to remain on port.

We called it a Hare and Hounds start. What the hare loses in it’s tack to starboard it gains by being slightly ahead of the other boats. For Handicapping the first horn is the start time.

Dick

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On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:16, Matt Woodall matt@woodall.cc wrote:

Thanks Malcom

Interesting Idea, i may have to look into that, but I was hoping there was some standard way? (and maybe a little cheaper)

I remember hearing of something called a “jackrabbit start” but i am guessing it is more for class racing than it is for handicap racing.

Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by Kathryn Woodall,

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.

Buy Chasing at Smashwords (use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from Smashwords only), Amazon, or Barnes & Noble.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Malcolm Osborne malcolmo@telkomsa.net wrote:

For a shore based start, how about a pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru’ a loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video camera to record finishers coming across the finishing line. You should be able to get finishing times from the video capture.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

----- Original Message -----

From:
Matt Woodall

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by *** Kathryn Woodall,***

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.*

Buy Chasing at Smashwords (use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from Smashwords only), Amazon, or Barnes & Noble.

Marty_Bower · 14 September 2011 14:37

jack rabbit is a way to do this. We’ve done it a feeewwww times in my club, have rules to do so. Its a page long, I can copy and paste, or go to http://www.cycedmonds.org/index_files/Page722.htm hit the 2011 race directions. somewhere down a page or two is the directions for a rabbit start.

Marty
former fc

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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: tony@tonytucker.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:34:21 +0100
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

For informal racing you can have everyone record

their own time, and designate someone racing as

the starter, he shouts out 5, 4, 1 and go. It’s

not perfect by any means but it will enable sailors to race and get results

cheers

Tony

At 15:16 14/09/2011, Matt Woodall wrote:

Thanks Malcom

Interesting Idea, i may have to look into

that, but I was hoping there was some standard

way? (and maybe a little cheaper)

I remember hearing of something called a

“jackrabbit start” but i am guessing it is more

for class racing than it is for handicap racing.

Matt

–

Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by Kathryn Woodall,

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected

part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who

she is, what she does, and where her life will

go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must

attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.

Buy Chasing at

<https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/59067>Smashwords

(use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from

Smashwords only),

<http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-ebook/dp/B0050K0WRQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1306195524&sr=1-1>Amazon,

or

<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Chasing/Kathryn-Woodall/e/2940012497123/?itm=1&USRI=kathryn+woodall>Barnes

& Noble.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Malcolm Osborne ><mailto:malcolmo@telkomsa.net malcolmo@telkomsa.net> wrote:

For a shore based start, how about a

pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru’ a

loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video

camera to record finishers coming across the

finishing line. You should be able to get

finishing times from the video capture.

regards,

Malcolm Osborne

Sedgefield, South Africa

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From: mailto:matt@woodall.ccMatt Woodall

To: mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy

alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,

Matt

–

Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by Kathryn Woodall,

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected

part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who

she is, what she does, and where her life will

go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must

attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.

Buy Chasing at

<https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/59067>Smashwords

(use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from

Smashwords only),

<http://www.amazon.com/Chasing-ebook/dp/B0050K0WRQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2&s=digital-text&qid=1306195524&sr=1-1>Amazon,

or

<http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Chasing/Kathryn-Woodall/e/2940012497123/?itm=1&USRI=kathryn+woodall>Barnes

& Noble.

MalcolmO · 14 September 2011 14:40

If you don’t need finish times recorded, how about doing gate starts?

Someone goes off from a start mark on port, everyone else goes off behind him on starboard.

You mention handicaps - then you would need times. Get everyone to record their own finish time ( are they honest enough?). Keelboats sometimes do this.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Matt Woodall

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:16 PM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

Thanks Malcom

Interesting Idea, i may have to look into that, but I was hoping there was some standard way? (and maybe a little cheaper)

I remember hearing of something called a “jackrabbit start” but i am guessing it is more for class racing than it is for handicap racing.

Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by *** Kathryn Woodall,***

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.*

Buy Chasing at Smashwords (use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from Smashwords only), Amazon, or Barnes & Noble.

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Malcolm Osborne malcolmo@telkomsa.net > wrote:

For a shore based start, how about a pre-recorded starting sequence broadcast thru' a loudspeaker (no flags), together with a video camera to record finishers coming across the finishing line. You should be able to get finishing times from the video capture.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

----- Original Message -----

From: Matt Woodall

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:38 PM

Subject: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

  something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by *** Kathryn Woodall,***

 ~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum's past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.*

Buy Chasing at Smashwords (use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from Smashwords only), Amazon, or Barnes & Noble.

Ian_Savell · 14 September 2011 15:16

Not quick to set up, but at Budworth we use a computer controlled system with a bank of lights instead of flags. Normally the PRO handles it but for informal use someone can start it off then go sailing, you just can’t have any recalls. That system is a simple program sending serial comms commands to a box with a microcontroller and relays - you could use an Arduino board for the relay controller or some other hobby controller.

For an easy fix put a light on a programmable timer plug?

For class racing everyone just agrees who was ahead and behind at the finish. If you race handicap and trust your competitors get them to set their watches to down/up mode and stop them when they finish. We have one of our CCTV cameras permanently aimed at the usual start/finish line so we can check finish on the replay if there’s a dispute.

Ian.

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On 14 September 2011 13:38, Matt Woodall matt@woodall.cc wrote:

something informal for a wed night type series.

Thanks,
Matt

–
Matt Woodall

Check out my wife’s new novel

Chasing (an adventure novel) by Kathryn Woodall,

~While hunting and killing evil, an unexpected part of Ottum’s past creates questions about who she is, what she does, and where her life will go. Together with her companion, Kai, Ottum must attempt the destruction of the evil creature without also killing her brother.

Buy Chasing at Smashwords (use code VH92K to get it for just $0.99 from Smashwords only), Amazon, or Barnes & Noble.

Jim_Harman · 14 September 2011 22:02

I worked recently with a club that uses a fixed course with pre-computed staggered starts based on each boat’s handicap, the slower boats starting first. You have to trust the boats to start at (or after) their appointed time. I suppose you could enforce this with a video recorder that records the time along with the starts…

This way the winner on corrected time is the boat that crosses the line first. It has the added advantage that everyone arrives for dinner at about the same time.

–Jim Harman

j99harman@gmail.com

(203) 339-2327

MalcolmO · 14 September 2011 22:09

In other words - a pursuit race!

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

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From:
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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

I worked recently with a club that uses a fixed course with pre-computed staggered starts based on each boat’s handicap, the slower boats starting first. You have to trust the boats to start at (or after) their appointed time. I suppose you could enforce this with a video recorder that records the time along with the starts…

This way the winner on corrected time is the boat that crosses the line first. It has the added advantage that everyone arrives for dinner at about the same time.

–Jim Harman

j99harman@gmail.com

(203) 339-2327

Marty_Bower · 14 September 2011 22:19

Pursuit races work well too, we do that on some weekend races to and from our marina to another port/marina. The fastest boat is the RC per say, they horn honk everyone off, then start them selves. We as finishers take our time at the end, along with who finished in front and is behind us…One club locally has a race the 1st weekend in May that has over 100 boats racing this way, starts go off over 5-6 hrs. They do use a start and finish boat…but just in case, you need to spot as above.

Same club also has a “take your time Fridays” handicap changes by the week depending upon you finish etc…
http://www.styc.org/
go to racing, “race to straights” and “down the sound” for the pursuit race(s)
along with “take your time fridays”

Numbers of ways to do things, depending upon the how you wish to do things.

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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: malcolmo@telkomsa.net
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 00:09:37 +0200
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

In other words - a pursuit race!

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa

----- Original Message -----

From:
Jim Harman

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 12:02 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Anyone know of an easy alternate way to start/time races without a race committee?

I worked recently with a club that uses a fixed course with pre-computed staggered starts based on each boat’s handicap, the slower boats starting first. You have to trust the boats to start at (or after) their appointed time. I suppose you could enforce this with a video recorder that records the time along with the starts…

This way the winner on corrected time is the boat that crosses the line first. It has the added advantage that everyone arrives for dinner at about the same time.

–Jim Harman

j99harman@gmail.com

(203) 339-2327