Archiving of Sailwave files

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would
save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an
archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter

I think this would quite useful.

···

Thanks

Edward Graham Dougall, ABCP, AMBCI, CISSP, FLMI,


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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 23-Sep-15 17:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Archiving of Sailwave files

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave file archiving. For most events standard backups are fine. However, in the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter

Peter

···

Try using Dropbox. It keeps copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think). Going into the archives will show the numerous dated copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

William Carruthers
Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would
save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an
archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter

Hi Peter,

I agree with William as Dropbox being one of the best solutions. If you keep your Sailwave .blw file in a Dropbox folder every time you save it, Dropbox updates its web/cloud copy and makes a backup of the previous version. If you log into the Dropbox Web interface you can see all the copies that it has made and you can restore from any one. For the free version of Dropbox it keeps them for 1 month or apparently indefinitely if you have a paid account. If you want to be super organised have a notepad file in the same directory which you update with the time and status of the file each time you save it, which will make it easier to find the one you want to restore should you need to. There are other advantages in using dropbox such as if your PC fails or someone spills coke all over it (Not mentioning any names here) then you still have the latest version to use on another PC. Also you can share the file as read only with other users who can use it for printing reports and results.

Jon

···

On 24 September 2015 at 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Peter

Try using Dropbox. It keeps copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think). Going into the archives will show the numerous dated copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

William Carruthers
Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would
save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an
archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
.
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[]:
Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution
could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.
Kind regards,
Huw

···

https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.htmlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

   On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

[sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden
          [sailwave] <>

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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pvanmuyden@gmail.comsailwave@yahoogroups.com

Hi - Just to clarify, the free version of Dropbox does keep the last 30 days and not just the last 30 versions. They have changed the Pro account to which you can upgrade. This used to give you unlimited history but this is now a $39 extra on top of the pro subscription and is now 12 months only . You can keep all changes but for this you need to have a Dropbox for Business account. One product worth looking at is Bit Torrent Sync - now version 2.2. The free version has some limitations but the Pro version which is only £29.99 for personal use (No ongoing subscription now - changed recently). IMO this is a good and possibly better alternative to Dropbox for some applications and it supports history/versioning http://help.getsync.com/customer/portal/articles/1902065-does-bittorrent-sync-support-versioning-#configure For more details see https://www.getsync.com/

Jon

···

On 24 September 2015 at 09:41, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.html .
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud]:

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution

could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.

Kind regards,

Huw


  On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
          [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com              >

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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Jon,

There are many other cloud services to use without expiration: Microsoft One Drive, Google Drive, Box, etc

Fred Welker

···

On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi - Just to clarify, the free version of Dropbox does keep the last 30 days and not just the last 30 versions. They have changed the Pro account to which you can upgrade. This used to give you unlimited history but this is now a $39 extra on top of the pro subscription and is now 12 months only . You can keep all changes but for this you need to have a Dropbox for Business account. One product worth looking at is Bit Torrent Sync - now version 2.2. The free version has some limitations but the Pro version which is only £29.99 for personal use (No ongoing subscription now - changed recently). IMO this is a good and possibly better alternative to Dropbox for some applications and it supports history/versioning http://help.getsync.com/customer/portal/articles/1902065-does-bittorrent-sync-support-versioning-#configure For more details see https://www.getsync.com/

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 09:41, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.html .
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud]:

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution

could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.

Kind regards,

Huw


  On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
          [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com              >

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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Hi Jon,

I do have a Dropbox subscription and it’s one of my best investments, $8 per month to synchronise all my data between 4 computers and he Dropbox history option works very well. I was hoping for a more generic build-in solution. There are a lot of clubs that I run races at that don’t have an archiving system.

Regards,

Peter

···

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

I agree with William as Dropbox being one of the best solutions. If you keep your Sailwave .blw file in a Dropbox folder every time you save it, Dropbox updates its web/cloud copy and makes a backup of the previous version. If you log into the Dropbox Web interface you can see all the copies that it has made and you can restore from any one. For the free version of Dropbox it keeps them for 1 month or apparently indefinitely if you have a paid account. If you want to be super organised have a notepad file in the same directory which you update with the time and status of the file each time you save it, which will make it easier to find the one you want to restore should you need to. There are other advantages in using dropbox such as if your PC fails or someone spills coke all over it (Not mentioning any names here) then you still have the latest version to use on another PC. Also you can share the file as read only with other users who can use it for printing reports and results.

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Peter

Try using Dropbox. It keeps copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think). Going into the archives will show the numerous dated copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

William Carruthers
Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would
save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an
archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter

Thanks Fred - But I don’t think that One Drive supports file history/versioning of any files other than some office files (the topic of this thread is archiving of blw files). Google Drive does although I’ve experienced problems with it in the past and I know it has a limit on the number of versions and therefore don’t use it now. Box - I haven’t tried for a few years now. A Google suggests Box does have some form of versioning but from the quick read I had it wasn’t very clear.

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 13:36, Fred Welker fredwelker@aol.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Jon,

There are many other cloud services to use without expiration: Microsoft One Drive, Google Drive, Box, etc

Fred Welker

On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi - Just to clarify, the free version of Dropbox does keep the last 30 days and not just the last 30 versions. They have changed the Pro account to which you can upgrade. This used to give you unlimited history but this is now a $39 extra on top of the pro subscription and is now 12 months only . You can keep all changes but for this you need to have a Dropbox for Business account. One product worth looking at is Bit Torrent Sync - now version 2.2. The free version has some limitations but the Pro version which is only £29.99 for personal use (No ongoing subscription now - changed recently). IMO this is a good and possibly better alternative to Dropbox for some applications and it supports history/versioning http://help.getsync.com/customer/portal/articles/1902065-does-bittorrent-sync-support-versioning-#configure For more details see https://www.getsync.com/

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 09:41, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.html .
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud]:

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution

could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.

Kind regards,

Huw


  On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
          [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com              >

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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Thanks for the insight Jon. You always do your homework. Well done!

Fred Welker

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07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 13:36, Fred Welker fredwelker@aol.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Jon,

There are many other cloud services to use without expiration: Microsoft One Drive, Google Drive, Box, etc

Fred Welker

On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi - Just to clarify, the free version of Dropbox does keep the last 30 days and not just the last 30 versions. They have changed the Pro account to which you can upgrade. This used to give you unlimited history but this is now a $39 extra on top of the pro subscription and is now 12 months only . You can keep all changes but for this you need to have a Dropbox for Business account. One product worth looking at is Bit Torrent Sync - now version 2.2. The free version has some limitations but the Pro version which is only £29.99 for personal use (No ongoing subscription now - changed recently). IMO this is a good and possibly better alternative to Dropbox for some applications and it supports history/versioning http://help.getsync.com/customer/portal/articles/1902065-does-bittorrent-sync-support-versioning-#configure For more details see https://www.getsync.com/

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 09:41, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.html .
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud]:

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution

could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.

Kind regards,

Huw


  On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
          [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com              >

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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NB: We use crashplan - unlimited space - stupidly cheap and easy to set up - saves all versions

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thanks Fred - But I don’t think that One Drive supports file history/versioning of any files other than some office files (the topic of this thread is archiving of blw files). Google Drive does although I’ve experienced problems with it in the past and I know it has a limit on the number of versions and therefore don’t use it now. Box - I haven’t tried for a few years now. A Google suggests Box does have some form of versioning but from the quick read I had it wasn’t very clear.

Jon

Cheers,

Colin J

http://sailwave.com

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 13:36, Fred Welker fredwelker@aol.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Jon,

There are many other cloud services to use without expiration: Microsoft One Drive, Google Drive, Box, etc

Fred Welker

On Sep 24, 2015, at 5:29 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi - Just to clarify, the free version of Dropbox does keep the last 30 days and not just the last 30 versions. They have changed the Pro account to which you can upgrade. This used to give you unlimited history but this is now a $39 extra on top of the pro subscription and is now 12 months only . You can keep all changes but for this you need to have a Dropbox for Business account. One product worth looking at is Bit Torrent Sync - now version 2.2. The free version has some limitations but the Pro version which is only £29.99 for personal use (No ongoing subscription now - changed recently). IMO this is a good and possibly better alternative to Dropbox for some applications and it supports history/versioning http://help.getsync.com/customer/portal/articles/1902065-does-bittorrent-sync-support-versioning-#configure For more details see https://www.getsync.com/

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 09:41, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi everyone,

With respect, I feel 'archiving' Sailwave.BLW files should be down

to each user to work out a solution that works for them. A word of
caution with regard to file names, there have been issues with long
path names to Sailwave.BLW files; so making long file names may be
an issue.

Dropbox has saved me on a couple of occasions. FYI - the ***      free***    version of Dropbox keeps the latest 30 revisions of a file

and the only way I have found to access these revisions is via the
web interface.

Those with technical skills might consider implementing their own

environment, ownCloud may be something that they could consider. It
is similar in many ways to Dropbox but is totally under your
control. ownCloud allows versioning and the information can be seen
at
https://doc.owncloud.org/server/7.0/user_manual/files/versioncontrol.html .
About ownCloud from Wikipedia
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OwnCloud]:

OwnCloud* (stylized ownCloud) is a suite of client-server
software
for
creating file
hosting services
and
using them. OwnCloud is
functionally very similar to
the widely used Dropbox , with the
primary functional
difference being that
OwnCloud is free
and open-source
, and thereby
allowing anyone to install
and operate it without
charge on a private
server
, with no limits
on storage space (except for
disk capacity or account
quota) or the number of
connected clients.*

Because Sailwave.BLW is a text file, another technical solution

could be to use a source code change environment such as Git,
Subversion which track changes to a file(s) and allow comments to be
added at each save. This environment would allow one to re-create
the Sailwave.BLW to any point where a save had been made. But this
is not something for Sailwave to provide in my view.

Kind regards,

Huw


  On 24/09/2015 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC

club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Peter

          Try using Dropbox. It keeps

copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think).
Going into the archives will show the numerous dated
copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

          William Carruthers

Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

          On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com
          [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com              >

wrote:

                I’m interested to hear what

others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are
many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and
regular archiving is needed.

                It would be nice to have an

archive button. After pressing the button the
system would
save the current version with the same filename and
append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the
file name.

For example: the "Dragon_Worlds.blw"
would be saved as an
archived file called:

" Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23
14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw
"**

                You can accomplish the same with

the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that
you save the source.blw file first.

Peter


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Hi Peter - I don’t think any built in system would be really effective as it ideally needs to be synced to some other storage for safety, but I’m open to suggestions. Dropbox is free for up to 2GB which is more than ample for storing blw files. I personally then use Microsoft’s Home Server 2011 to backup my Dropbox which keeps Daily, Weekly, Monthly and Yearly backups. So in theory I can use the Free Dropbox 30 day backups then if I need to go back further I use the ones from the Home Server.
Jon

···

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07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 14:41, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Jon,

I do have a Dropbox subscription and it’s one of my best investments, $8 per month to synchronise all my data between 4 computers and he Dropbox history option works very well. I was hoping for a more generic build-in solution. There are a lot of clubs that I run races at that don’t have an archiving system.

Regards,

Peter

On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Peter,

I agree with William as Dropbox being one of the best solutions. If you keep your Sailwave .blw file in a Dropbox folder every time you save it, Dropbox updates its web/cloud copy and makes a backup of the previous version. If you log into the Dropbox Web interface you can see all the copies that it has made and you can restore from any one. For the free version of Dropbox it keeps them for 1 month or apparently indefinitely if you have a paid account. If you want to be super organised have a notepad file in the same directory which you update with the time and status of the file each time you save it, which will make it easier to find the one you want to restore should you need to. There are other advantages in using dropbox such as if your PC fails or someone spills coke all over it (Not mentioning any names here) then you still have the latest version to use on another PC. Also you can share the file as read only with other users who can use it for printing reports and results.

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07530 112233

Skype “eskdale”

On 24 September 2015 at 07:09, Bassenthwaite SC club@bassenthwaite-sc.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Peter

Try using Dropbox. It keeps copies of each file, when saved, for a month (I think). Going into the archives will show the numerous dated copies available for a particular file.

Hope this helps

William Carruthers
Sent from my iPhone

/)/)/)___/)

(_(___(__

On 23 Sep 2015, at 22:43, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I’m interested to hear what others are doing for Sailwave
file archiving. For most events
standard backups are fine. However, in
the case of qualifying and final series there are many changes of Sailwave
configuration settings between the series and regular archiving is needed.

It would be nice to have an archive button. After pressing the button the system would
save the current version with the same filename and append the date/time and an
optional comment that would also be appended to the file name.

For example: the Dragon_Worlds.blw would be saved as an
archived file called:

"Dragon_Worlds 2015-09-23 14:34:34 after race one data entry.blw"

You can accomplish the same with the “Save As” option, but
it’s more cumbersome and you have to make sure that you save the source.blw file first.

Peter