Average Lap Times

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I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

2

Oh Yes B-)

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— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “s.b.collins@…” <s.b.collins@…> wrote:

If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

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Go to page 38 of the Sailwave user guide…

Mark Townsend’s Sailwave User Guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf

Simon

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On 10 January 2012 17:27, Mike mike.croker@phonecoop.coop wrote:

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “s.b.collins@…” <s.b.collins@…> wrote:

If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Oh Yes

4

Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost another lap.

Regards

John

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

5

Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost another lap.

Regards

John

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

6

This is what we use:

"h. If the wind dies on the last lap and the race becomes unfair or some boats are

unable to finish within the time limit the RO may elect to use the times at the

end of the previous lap to establish a finishing order. This changes Rule A3."

Rgds

George Morris

R Findhorn YC

Weta 117

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Steve Collins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:21 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can’t get a result. My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don’t want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost  another lap.

Regards

John

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent:
10 January 2012 16:44
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

7

On many occasions when the wind is fading I have finished the boats on 2 laps well before the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to finish boats at about an hour with a bit of flexibility and common sense.

Simon
Burghfield

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On 11 January 2012 07:21, Steve Collins s.b.collins@btinternet.com wrote:

Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can’t get a result. My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don’t want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost another lap.

Regards

John

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

8

Dear Simon (and George)
Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My problem is that our race officers seem incapable of applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

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On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

On many occasions when the wind is fading I have finished the boats on 2 laps well before the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to finish boats at about an hour with a bit of flexibility and common sense.

Simon
Burghfield

On 11 January 2012 07:21, Steve Collins s.b.collins@btinternet.com wrote:

Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can’t get a result. My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don’t want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost another lap.

Regards

John

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

9

Steve,

Of course we all start a race with a feeling for when we want it to stop. But with twenty minutes to go the wind is dying and a Mirror on Lap 2 is approaching the finishing line - the faster boats are half way round lap 3. You make 2 sound signals, put up flag S and start finishing the boats. But you were right - the wind is fading and the tide is away and no one else is going to finish. We give the RO the discretion to use the end of lap times of the previous lap(s) to generate a result. arguably it is not fair - there are many occasions in ‘ordinary’ races where the slow boats can’t get round in the time limit but this is the way we do it and no one of any substance has complained. It probably wouldn’t work at a world championship.

Actually, we have an even more sophisticated system - the Mirror is approaching the finishing line with a Musto Skiff a lap ahead just behind. The Mirror is not going to make over the tide in ten minutes time but the skiff will so we stop the Mirror and send the Skiff round again. This time it’s unfair on the Skiff because he gets to sail in the bad tide, but life’s a bitch. Just sometimes you get a blanket finish (particularly if you have a lot of very short laps) and everybody gets to sail in the same wind and the same tide. This is fairer isn’t it? No, because tide affects slow boats more than fast boats. In veritas vita canna est (verily life is, indeed, a bitch)

Rgds

George

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Steve Collins

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:25 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Dear Simon (and George)

Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My problem is that our race officers seem incapable of applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

On many occasions when the wind is fading I have finished the boats on 2 laps well before the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to finish boats at about an hour with a bit of flexibility and common sense.

Simon
Burghfield

On 11 January 2012 07:21, Steve Collins s.b.collins@btinternet.com > > wrote:

  Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

  Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can't get a result.  My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don't want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to  count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

  Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

    Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost  another lap.

Regards

John

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] ** On Behalf Of** s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

    I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

    The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

10

Steve,

Seems your NewYear resolution was to make yourself popular with the

club race officers!

I would suggest something� like the following:

1. Boats will cross the finish line from the direction of the last

mark at the completion of every lap.

2. The race committee will record the time of passage through the

finish line of every boat at the end of every lap.

3. Boats failing to finish within 10 minutes after the first boat

sails the course and finishes will be scored according to the boat’s
time of passage through the finish line on the last lap she
completed. This changes rule 35, A4 and A5.

This wording allows RO either to shorten at his discretion, or to

allow the full time limit to expire. In fact, as long as the RO
notes all the times he has nothing further to do as, on the basis of
the times, the scorer (who is part of the Race Committee) can sort
out the results. No discretion, flexibility or commonsense needed.

Gordon
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On 11/01/2012 09:25, Steve Collins wrote:

Dear Simon (and George)

          Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My

problem is that our race officers seem incapable of
applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your
responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a
fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

�
On many occasions when the wind is fading I
have finished the boats on 2 laps well before
the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to
finish boats at about an hour with a bit of
flexibility and common sense.

                    Simon
                    Burghfield

                    On 11 January 2012 07:21, > > Steve Collins <s.b.collins@btinternet.com> > >                         wrote:

�
Thanks, John and all others to have
replied to my post. This is most
useful.

                                Our problem on the River Thames

is that on a summer evening the wind
often dies completely after the fast
boats have finished and some slow
boats end up becalmed or going
backwards if there is a strong
stream which is very demotivating if
they can’t get a result. �My
proposed solution is finish the race
for everyone 10 minutes after the
first boat has finished. But I don’t
want to disqualify the boats left on
the water. I want to �count back to
their last completed lap and use the
average lap method to give them a
result.

                                Any suggestions on the form of

words that I could use in the
Sailing Instructions to achieve this
object?

Thanks

Steve

                                      On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, > > > John Selby wrote:

�

                                                Yes, you enter Finish time, and

number of laps
completed. It scores
in the RYA preferred
method, of
recalculating as
though all boats had
done the same number
of laps as the
quickest boat, and
then applies the PY
handicap to the
elapsed time. Really
average lap
corrected time x max
number of laps. I
use it every year
for Warsash SC
annual Boxing Day
Race in the River
Hamble. We run for
approx 1 hour, and
the trick is to pick
when to start
finishing, so that
the slow boats don�t
have to do almost
�another lap.

Regards

John

�

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
** On Behalf Of**s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10
January 2012
16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]
Average Lap
Times

�

�

                                                    I would like to

introduce s
formal average
lap times
scoring system
to our Wednesday
evening handicap
racing at Minima
YC on the River
Thames in
Kingston.

                                                    The idea is to

set a short
course and then
finish the race
at a set time.
Therefore a
Merlin Rocket
may have
completed 8 laps
while a Topper
may only have
completed 5. If
we input the
elapsed time and
number of laps
into Sailwave,
does it
automatically
calculate
average lap
times?

                                                    Thanks
                                                    Steve Collins
11

Brilliant, Gordon. Good to hear from you. I have given up trying to be popular with our race officers. All I have to do now is get my proposal through the sailing committee! Steve

···

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From: Gordon Davies gordondavies@eircom.net

Sender: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:09:22 +0000

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

ReplyTo: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Steve,

Seems your NewYear resolution was to make yourself popular with the

club race officers!

I would suggest something  like the following:

1. Boats will cross the finish line from the direction of the last

mark at the completion of every lap.
2. The race committee will record the time of passage through the
finish line of every boat at the end of every lap.
3. Boats failing to finish within 10 minutes after the first boat
sails the course and finishes will be scored according to the boat’s
time of passage through the finish line on the last lap she
completed. This changes rule 35, A4 and A5.

This wording allows RO either to shorten at his discretion, or to

allow the full time limit to expire. In fact, as long as the RO
notes all the times he has nothing further to do as, on the basis of
the times, the scorer (who is part of the Race Committee) can sort
out the results. No discretion, flexibility or commonsense needed.

Gordon

On 11/01/2012 09:25, Steve Collins wrote:

Dear Simon (and George)

          Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My

problem is that our race officers seem incapable of
applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your
responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a
fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

                    On many occasions when the wind is fading I

have finished the boats on 2 laps well before
the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to
finish boats at about an hour with a bit of
flexibility and common sense.

                    Simon
                    Burghfield

                    On 11 January 2012 07:21, > > Steve Collins <s.b.collins@btinternet.com> > >                         wrote:

                                Thanks, John and all others to have

replied to my post. This is most
useful.

                                Our problem on the River Thames

is that on a summer evening the wind
often dies completely after the fast
boats have finished and some slow
boats end up becalmed or going
backwards if there is a strong
stream which is very demotivating if
they can’t get a result. My
proposed solution is finish the race
for everyone 10 minutes after the
first boat has finished. But I don’t
want to disqualify the boats left on
the water. I want to count back to
their last completed lap and use the
average lap method to give them a
result.

                                Any suggestions on the form of

words that I could use in the
Sailing Instructions to achieve this
object?

Thanks

Steve

                                      On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, > > > John Selby wrote:

                                                Yes, you enter Finish time, and

number of laps
completed. It scores
in the RYA preferred
method, of
recalculating as
though all boats had
done the same number
of laps as the
quickest boat, and
then applies the PY
handicap to the
elapsed time. Really
average lap
corrected time x max
number of laps. I
use it every year
for Warsash SC
annual Boxing Day
Race in the River
Hamble. We run for
approx 1 hour, and
the trick is to pick
when to start
finishing, so that
the slow boats don’t
have to do almost
another lap.

Regards

John

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
** On Behalf Of**s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10
January 2012
16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave]
Average Lap
Times

                                                    I would like to

introduce s
formal average
lap times
scoring system
to our Wednesday
evening handicap
racing at Minima
YC on the River
Thames in
Kingston.

                                                    The idea is to

set a short
course and then
finish the race
at a set time.
Therefore a
Merlin Rocket
may have
completed 8 laps
while a Topper
may only have
completed 5. If
we input the
elapsed time and
number of laps
into Sailwave,
does it
automatically
calculate
average lap
times?

                                                    Thanks
                                                    Steve Collins
12

Has anyone seen the 2012 PNs yet? - I was expecting them yesterday,

Rgds

George Morris

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
s.b.collins@btinternet.com

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Brilliant, Gordon. Good to hear from you. I have given up trying to be popular with our race officers. All I have to do now is get my proposal through the sailing committee! Steve

Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

From: Gordon Davies gordondavies@eircom.net

Sender: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:09:22 +0000

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

ReplyTo: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Steve,

Seems your NewYear resolution was to make yourself popular with the club race officers!

I would suggest something like the following:

  1. Boats will cross the finish line from the direction of the last mark at the completion of every lap.
  2. The race committee will record the time of passage through the finish line of every boat at the end of every lap.
  3. Boats failing to finish within 10 minutes after the first boat sails the course and finishes will be scored according to the boat’s time of passage through the finish line on the last lap she completed. This changes rule 35, A4 and A5.

This wording allows RO either to shorten at his discretion, or to allow the full time limit to expire. In fact, as long as the RO notes all the times he has nothing further to do as, on the basis of the times, the scorer (who is part of the Race Committee) can sort out the results. No discretion, flexibility or commonsense needed.

Gordon

On 11/01/2012 09:25, Steve Collins wrote:

Dear Simon (and George)

Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My problem is that our race officers seem incapable of applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

  On many occasions when the wind is fading I have finished the boats on 2 laps well before the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to finish boats at about an hour with a bit of flexibility and common sense.

Simon
Burghfield

On 11 January 2012 07:21, Steve Collins s.b.collins@btinternet.com wrote:

    Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

    Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can't get a result.  My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don't want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to  count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

    Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

      Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost  another lap.

Regards

John

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

      I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

      The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

13

Hi George,

I wouldn't have been expecting them yesterday, for the last few

years they have been released at the beginning of March to tie in
with Dinghy Show. However, it may be different this year.

Kind regards,
Huw
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sailwave@yahoogroups.comsailwave@yahoogroups.com

14

ahhh - when someone told me they were released ‘on the Friday of the boat show’ they were probably referring to the Dinghy Show!

Rgds

George

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Huw Pearce

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:36 PM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] New PNs

Hi George,

I wouldn’t have been expecting them yesterday, for the last few years they have been released at the beginning of March to tie in with Dinghy Show. However, it may be different this year.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 14/01/2012 09:24, George Morris wrote:

Has anyone seen the 2012 PNs yet? - I was expecting them yesterday,

Rgds

George Morris

----- Original Message -----

From: s.b.collins@btinternet.com

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 11:52 AM

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

  Brilliant, Gordon. Good to hear from you. I have given up trying to be popular with our race officers. All I have to do now is get my proposal through the sailing committee! Steve

Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media

From: Gordon Davies gordondavies@eircom.net

Sender: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:09:22 +0000

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

ReplyTo: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [sailwave] Average Lap Times

Steve,

  Seems your NewYear resolution was to make yourself popular with the club race officers!

  I would suggest something  like the following:

  1. Boats will cross the finish line from the direction of the last mark at the completion of every lap.
  2. The race committee will record the time of passage through the finish line of every boat at the end of every lap.
  3. Boats failing to finish within 10 minutes after the first boat sails the course and finishes will be scored according to the boat's time of passage through the finish line on the last lap she completed. This changes rule 35, A4 and A5.

  This wording allows RO either to shorten at his discretion, or to allow the full time limit to expire. In fact, as long as the RO notes all the times he has nothing further to do as, on the basis of the times, the scorer (who is part of the Race Committee) can sort out the results. No discretion, flexibility or commonsense needed.

Gordon

On 11/01/2012 09:25, Steve Collins wrote:

Dear Simon (and George)

    Thanks for your replies which are both very useful. My problem is that our race officers seem incapable of applying any discretion, flexibility or commonsense! Your responses confirm my feeling that we will need to go for a fixed finish time/or time limit at our club.

Steve

On 11 Jan 2012, at 08:36, Simon Smith. wrote:

      On many occasions when the wind is fading I have finished the boats on 2 laps well before the leading boats have finished 3. Aim is to finish boats at about an hour with a bit of flexibility and common sense.

Simon
Burghfield

On 11 January 2012 07:21, Steve Collins s.b.collins@btinternet.com wrote:

        Thanks, John and all others to have replied to my post. This is most useful.

        Our problem on the River Thames is that on a summer evening the wind often dies completely after the fast boats have finished and some slow boats end up becalmed or going backwards if there is a strong stream which is very demotivating if they can't get a result.  My proposed solution is finish the race for everyone 10 minutes after the first boat has finished. But I don't want to disqualify the boats left on the water. I want to  count back to their last completed lap and use the average lap method to give them a result.

        Any suggestions on the form of words that I could use in the Sailing Instructions to achieve this object?

Thanks

Steve

On 10 Jan 2012, at 17:49, John Selby wrote:

          Yes, you enter Finish time, and number of laps completed. It scores in the RYA preferred method, of recalculating as though all boats had done the same number of laps as the quickest boat, and then applies the PY handicap to the elapsed time. Really average lap corrected time x max number of laps. I use it every year for Warsash SC annual Boxing Day Race in the River Hamble. We run for approx 1 hour, and the trick is to pick when to start finishing, so that the slow boats don’t have to do almost  another lap.

Regards

John

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] ** On Behalf Of** s.b.collins@btinternet.com
Sent: 10 January 2012 16:44
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
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[sailwave] Average Lap Times

          I would like to introduce s formal average lap times scoring system to our Wednesday evening handicap racing at Minima YC on the River Thames in Kingston.

          The idea is to set a short course and then finish the race at a set time. Therefore a Merlin Rocket may have completed 8 laps while a Topper may only have completed 5. If we input the elapsed time and number of laps into Sailwave, does it automatically calculate average lap times?

Thanks
Steve Collins

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Yep, they’ll be released for the dinghy show.

Chris

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