Colin,
Would you be kind enough to look at 8351 "caption tags" where we described a problem with Firefox and a possible CSS fix? I think this was okay in 1.94+, but seems to have popped up again in 2.0.
It just adds lots of printing problems, and for non-MS people, it's a pain.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where to edit this in the template, for example.
Thanks,
jrc
Hi
I've recently seen a post from Mark Townsend which defines fleets,
division and flights like this:
Fleet � A group of boats that will sail and be scor ed together, they
can be a one design class, or different boats using a handicap or rating
system. Portsmouth , PHRF, or IRC would be a fleet made up of several
different classes of boats using a handicap or rating system. Conversely
Naples Sabots, or Optimists may be broken up into several different
fleets, A�s, B�s, C�s etc. flights, Blue, Yellow, Purple, etc. or
Divisions, Men and Women.
Class � The type of boat all carrying the same class insignia per rule
G1.1(a). Farr 40, 49er, Snipe, Cal 20, Naples Sabot, Optimist, etc.
Division � Generally us ed to further divides fleets. For example,
Olympic 470 Men and Women often sail in a combined fleet, and are scored
combined, with the division indicating Men and Women.
Flights � A flight is a competitor attribute that changes on a per race
basis, and who is sailing who can change each race.
--
So here's my scenario. I have a three (what club calls fleets) which
start on the same start time. [We have other 'fleets' going at
different times but I don't think they can count in the same series at all.
So we have Toppers, Oppi's and Mirrors all going together plus any other
PY handicap boat that wants to.
I have been collating ALL those results together as a handicap result.
So in other words If you are a topper you should get a 'fleet' result
and a handicap result from the same race. Up till now I've only been
collating for handicap but clearly as I'm entering the results it may be
easy to tick a box some palce and pull the 'fleet' results off for
someone too...
So I tried setting the fleets up. When I run a score on it I now get
each fleet divided up which is what I want. But to get a score for the
handicap boats I have to set their fleet as handicap which is fine, but
then the Oppi's etc don't get grouped in to the fleet. Are they
something else? A division? A Flight?
Secondly - our SIs say that a race is only a race if there are two or
more boats racing. So if there is 1 topper and 1 mirror race then the
race is a race for handicap result but not for the fleet result... am I
missing anyway to set a rule for that?
Many thanks
C
You have a handicap fleet, which include three classes, Toppers, Optimists and Mirrors. It may also include other boats from different classes
You have other fleets that start at different time.
Q: --> Do they start on the same line, do they sail the same course? If so you might be able to be able to score them together, but probably only for interest purposes.
If you want to break out the Toppers, Optimists and Mirrors as separate scores you can use aliases.
If you are stuck send me the file, I can take a look at it for you.
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From: "Calum Polwart" <yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 2:33 AM
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [sailwave] Is it a fleet, division or Flight... Or can it not be done?
Hi
I've recently seen a post from Mark Townsend which defines fleets,
division and flights like this:Fleet � A group of boats that will sail and be scor ed together, they
can be a one design class, or different boats using a handicap or rating
system. Portsmouth , PHRF, or IRC would be a fleet made up of several
different classes of boats using a handicap or rating system. Conversely
Naples Sabots, or Optimists may be broken up into several different
fleets, A�s, B�s, C�s etc. flights, Blue, Yellow, Purple, etc. or
Divisions, Men and Women.Class � The type of boat all carrying the same class insignia per rule
G1.1(a). Farr 40, 49er, Snipe, Cal 20, Naples Sabot, Optimist, etc.Division � Generally us ed to further divides fleets. For example,
Olympic 470 Men and Women often sail in a combined fleet, and are scored
combined, with the division indicating Men and Women.Flights � A flight is a competitor attribute that changes on a per race
basis, and who is sailing who can change each race.--
So here's my scenario. I have a three (what club calls fleets) which
start on the same start time. [We have other 'fleets' going at
different times but I don't think they can count in the same series at all.So we have Toppers, Oppi's and Mirrors all going together plus any other
PY handicap boat that wants to.I have been collating ALL those results together as a handicap result.
So in other words If you are a topper you should get a 'fleet' result
and a handicap result from the same race. Up till now I've only been
collating for handicap but clearly as I'm entering the results it may be
easy to tick a box some palce and pull the 'fleet' results off for
someone too...So I tried setting the fleets up. When I run a score on it I now get
each fleet divided up which is what I want. But to get a score for the
handicap boats I have to set their fleet as handicap which is fine, but
then the Oppi's etc don't get grouped in to the fleet. Are they
something else? A division? A Flight?Secondly - our SIs say that a race is only a race if there are two or
more boats racing. So if there is 1 topper and 1 mirror race then the
race is a race for handicap result but not for the fleet result... am I
missing anyway to set a rule for that?Many thanks
C
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You have a handicap fleet, which include three classes, Toppers, Optimists
and Mirrors. It may also include other boats from different classesYou have other fleets that start at different time.
Q: --> Do they start on the same line, do they sail the same course? If so
you might be able to be able to score them together, but probably only for
interest purposes.
Yes for now I have no interest in the other fleets our start sequence is a 2 minute gun with Asymmetric Handicap, Flying 15, RS200, Laser, GP14, then TMO+Handicap. Asymm may have different course the others use the same course. BUT its unfair to compare FF15 to the main handicap fleet becasue the wind may well change in the 8 minutes gap between starts.
If you want to break out the Toppers, Optimists and Mirrors as separate
scores you can use aliases.
I discovered I could use fleets and change the series scoring to do it by fleet, but it does mean changing back series scoring to produce other interim results. i.e. run the scores for T,M,O and publish, then re-run the scores for Handicap as one whole group and publish. I suspect some day I'll run them wrong and publish wrongly 
So off to look at aliases.
>
> Secondly - our SIs say that a race is only a race if there are two or
> more boats racing. So if there is 1 topper and 1 mirror race then the
> race is a race for handicap result but not for the fleet result... am I
> missing anyway to set a rule for that?
>
Any way to handle minimum boats? Or is it just assumed that if 1 boat turns up and 'races' when the SIs say its not a race then the result doesn't go on Sailwave.
Thanks
Calum
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:19:38 -0700 "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com> wrote:
I don't know a way to handle minimum boats, other than as you say if one (1) boat 'races' then don't put them in Sailwave.
You can score and produce results in a single pass for the handicap fleet and the Toppers, Optimists, and Mirrors sailing in that fleet in a single pass by using the alias feature of Sailwave.
The printed results would then show a result table for the Handicap fleet and separate result tables for the Toppers, Optimists, and Mirrors; four in all. It would score it all in a single pass/run.
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From: "Calum Polwart" <cpolwart@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 3:30 AM
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Is it a fleet, division or Flight... Or can it not be done?
On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:19:38 -0700 > "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com> wrote:
You have a handicap fleet, which include three classes, Toppers, Optimists
and Mirrors. It may also include other boats from different classesYou have other fleets that start at different time.
Q: --> Do they start on the same line, do they sail the same course? If so
you might be able to be able to score them together, but probably only for
interest purposes.Yes for now I have no interest in the other fleets our start sequence is a 2 minute gun with Asymmetric Handicap, Flying 15, RS200, Laser, GP14, then TMO+Handicap. Asymm may have different course the others use the same course. BUT its unfair to compare FF15 to the main handicap fleet becasue the wind may well change in the 8 minutes gap between starts.
If you want to break out the Toppers, Optimists and Mirrors as separate
scores you can use aliases.I discovered I could use fleets and change the series scoring to do it by fleet, but it does mean changing back series scoring to produce other interim results. i.e. run the scores for T,M,O and publish, then re-run the scores for Handicap as one whole group and publish. I suspect some day I'll run them wrong and publish wrongly
>
> Secondly - our SIs say that a race is only a race if there are two or
> more boats racing. So if there is 1 topper and 1 mirror race then the
> race is a race for handicap result but not for the fleet result... am I
> missing anyway to set a rule for that?
>Any way to handle minimum boats? Or is it just assumed that if 1 boat turns up and 'races' when the SIs say its not a race then the result doesn't go on Sailwave.
Thanks
Calum
I'm experimenting with aliased results per discussion with Mark Townsend. But I'm finding that its not handling DNCs properly.
Its leaving them blank on both the summary view and the published reuslts, but it is adding them in to the numbers. It even puts brackets round the a space when there is a discarded DNC.
Is this normal or have I set something wrong?
Ta for the help
Calum
Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added
I’m experimenting with aliased results per discussion with Mark Townsend. But I’m finding that its not handling DNCs properly.
Its leaving them blank on both the summary view and the published reuslts, but it is adding them in to the numbers. It even puts brackets round the a space when there is a discarded DNC.
Is this normal or have I set something wrong?
Ta for the help
Calum
Yeh original boat say in 'Mirror' aliases all in handicap.
Neither mirror or handicap show the DNC.
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:58:44 -0700 "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com> wrote:
Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
Are any DNC results showing?
Do you have the “Include DNC results” option checked on the “Publish web page :: results options” page? See screen shot below.
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:58:44 -0700 “S. Mark Townsend” s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com wrote:
Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
Yeh original boat say in ‘Mirror’ aliases all in handicap.
Neither mirror or handicap show the DNC.
Are any DNC results showing?
Yes -from scores before I aliased the competitors and some that I manually added since then.
Do you have the "Include DNC results" option checked on the "Publish web page :: results options" page? See screen shot below.
Yes -
file attached.
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:36:33 -0700 "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:34 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically addedOn Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:58:44 -0700 > "S. Mark Townsend" <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
>Yeh original boat say in 'Mirror' aliases all in handicap.
Neither mirror or handicap show the DNC.
--
Calum Polwart <cpolwart@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk>
Sent from my EEE PC
No file attached
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added [1 Attachment]
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:36:33 -0700 “S. Mark Townsend” s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com wrote:
Are any DNC results showing?
Yes -from scores before I aliased the competitors and some that I manually added since then.
Do you have the “Include DNC results” option checked on the “Publish web page :: results options” page? See screen shot below.
Yes -
file attached.
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:34 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:58:44 -0700 > “S. Mark Townsend” s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com wrote:
Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
Yeh original boat say in ‘Mirror’ aliases all in handicap.
Neither mirror or handicap show the DNC.
–
Calum Polwart cpolwart@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk
Sent from my EEE PC
Yes - it was!
I opened the file and could see the problem, but can’t advise on the cause.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa
----- Original Message -----
From:
S. Mark Townsend
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com ; yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added
No file attached
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added [1 Attachment]
On Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:36:33 -0700 > “S. Mark Townsend” <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com > wrote:
Are any DNC results showing?
Yes -from scores before I aliased the competitors and some that I manually added since then.
Do you have the “Include DNC results” option checked on the “Publish web page :: results options” page? See screen shot below.
Yes -file attached.
From: Calum Polwart
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:34 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [sailwave] Aliasing - DNC not automatically added
On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:58:44 -0700 > > “S. Mark Townsend” <s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com > wrote:
Have you put the aliases in a different fleet to the original boat? Mirror fleet ve Handicap Fleet?
Yeh original boat say in ‘Mirror’ aliases all in handicap.
Neither mirror or handicap show the DNC.
–
Calum Polwart cpolwart@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk
Sent from my EEE PC
Maybe I should have titled this differently -- does anyone know how to beat this Firefox problem? Really tired of trying to make IE respond. I'm stuck.
jrc
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "John Culter" <jrculter@...> wrote:
Colin,
Would you be kind enough to look at 8351 "caption tags" where we described a problem with Firefox and a possible CSS fix? I think this was okay in 1.94+, but seems to have popped up again in 2.0.
It just adds lots of printing problems, and for non-MS people, it's a pain.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see where to edit this in the template, for example.
Thanks,
jrc
Part of the solution as suggested by Phillipe de Troy is to add a .caption entry into the style template being used, e.g. Blue Blocks - this can be done by a user, but the other part has to be added each time into the published html output - this would be impractical. It should be incorporated by Sailwave. Colin will have to provide this part, so he might as well make the apprpopriate change to all the style templates in a new release (. . . please ?)
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield, South Africa
----- Original Message -----
From:
John Culter
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 9:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Firefox problem – caption tags
Maybe I should have titled this differently – does anyone know how to beat this Firefox problem? Really tired of trying to make IE respond. I’m stuck.
jrc
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com , “John Culter” <jrculter@…> wrote:
Colin,
Would you be kind enough to look at 8351 “caption tags” where we described a problem with Firefox and a possible CSS fix? I think this was okay in 1.94+, but seems to have popped up again in 2.0.
It just adds lots of printing problems, and for non-MS people, it’s a pain.
Maybe I’m missing something, but I don’t see where to edit this in the template, for example.
Thanks,
jrc
The ONLY practical solution is to move the … tags before
Fixed v 2.01 build 1
(used div)
CJ
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Colin,
Yr an angel! Thanks!
jrc