Hi,
Apparently our club reinvents weekend open SIs every time they happen;
different people etc. Where is the best place to download a template these
days...? We need to get more organised...
Colin J
www.mumblesyachtclub.co.uk
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Personally I use the templates in the RRS Appendices to form a new set after each 4-year RRS revision (unless there are no major changes) and then modify to suit the particular Open Meeting.
Mike Croker
Lancing SC
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I feel very strongly that all NORs and SIs should conform, as far as possible, to the ISAF templates in the RRS. Any changes should use language used by ISAF. If you read carefully the templates in RRS, plus templates available in associated ISAF websites (team, match and RC racing for instance) this is not a complicated process. If this doesn’t provide a solution I then study my collection of SIs (sad isn’t it) and find a formula, preferably written or approved by International race officials.
When a protest committee chairman I find it disheartening, not to say infuriating, to be given a set of SIs that have been formulated locally taking no account of international procedure.**We waste our time reading them, and usually waste even more time dealing with problems arising.
A NOR should take about 5 minutes to prepare, SIs little more than 10.
I greatly appreciated the French system, in which all events up to National level use a standard NOR and SI together with an Appendix which is used to adapt to local conditions. The Appendix can be completed by hand, photocopied, and only this single sheet need be distributed to competitors.
Gordon
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Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Championship SIs
Personally I use the templates in the RRS Appendices to form a new set
after each 4-year RRS revision (unless there are no major changes) and
then modify to suit the particular Open Meeting.Mike Croker
Lancing SCColin Jenkins wrote:
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Thanks for the replies re: SI templates; I'll jhave a look on the ISAF site
etc. Just remembered that Ralph(?) also mentioned the RYA Race Management
site having word doc templates and diagrams. Lots of goodies there by the
looks of it...
CJ
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gordon davies
Sent: 03 May 2006 09:56
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Championship SIs
I feel very strongly that all NORs and SIs should conform, as far as
possible, to the ISAF templates in the RRS. Any changes should use language
used by ISAF. If you read carefully the templates in RRS, plus templates
available in associated ISAF websites (team, match and RC racing for
instance) this is not a complicated process. If this doesn't provide a
solution I then study my collection of SIs (sad isn't it) and find a
formula, preferably written or approved by International race officials.
When a protest committee chairman I find it disheartening, not to say
infuriating, to be given a set of SIs that have been formulated locally
taking no account of international procedure. We waste our time reading
them, and usually waste even more time dealing with problems arising.
A NOR should take about 5 minutes to prepare, SIs little more than 10.
I greatly appreciated the French system, in which all events up to National
level use a standard NOR and SI together with an Appendix which is used to
adapt to local conditions. The Appendix can be completed by hand,
photocopied, and only this single sheet need be distributed to competitors.
Gordon
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From: Mike Croker
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Championship SIs
Personally I use the templates in the RRS Appendices to form a new set
after each 4-year RRS revision (unless there are no major changes) and
then modify to suit the particular Open Meeting.
Mike Croker
Lancing SC
Colin Jenkins wrote:
Hi,
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days...? We need to get more organised...Colin J
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Colin
The best place I have found for sailing
instruction templates is the ISAF website. They have two versions available in
word; a copy of Appendix L and a extended Appendix L that covers issues
associated with more regattas. If you are going to rewrite your SI’s make
sure that you also rewrite or at least review the NOR at the same time. The ISAF
website links are as follows:
Fleet Racing NOR and SI guides webpage
Notice of Race in word format (1 January
2005). This file can be used to produce a notice of race for a particular
event. The directions for a specific instruction can be seen by using Words
‘Comment’ feature.
http://www.sailing.org/rrs2005/AppK2005template.doc
Sailing Instructions Appendix L most
suitable for one or two class championships or less complicated events.
http://www.sailing.org/rrs2005/AppL2005template.doc
Appendix LE is an expanded version of
Appendix L containing provisions applicable to even the largest and most
complicated multi-class events, and variations on several of the sailing
instructions found in Appendix L (1 January 2005).
http://www.sailing.org/rrs2005/AppLE010105template.doc
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Subject: [sailwave] Championship
SIs
Hi,
Apparently our club reinvents weekend open SIs every time they happen;
different people etc. Where is the best place to download a template
these
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Colin J
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Hi Colin
I follow Mike's route of producing a new template each RRS revision
The difficulty I find is that RRS tends to cover moderately sized International Regattas & sometimes
just does not address many issues which arise at Open & larger events. eg
Where would you find a workable/practical SI to shorten a course being sailed by multiple fleets on
inner & outer sausages on a trapezoid course :-/ Rule 32.2 is just left behind.
Other examples are of course General Handicap, Pursuit racing starting from the shore
There are many more examples of where the standard App L just does not cover (sensible) requirements
I have a template for Rutland events which I have developed over a number of years which is the
standard AppL but with lots & lots of notes, sample paragraphs used at certain events etc etc
I start with this template as my basis for the event SIs & delete all the things which don't apply.
But it is amazing how my template is continually being updated with new experiences.
Not sure if I like the French idea as it seems to remove a lot of the creativity which make racing
in different classes more interesting.
Regards
Ralph
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From: Mike Croker [mailto:mdcroker@which.net]
Sent: 03 May 2006 09:40
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Championship SIs
Personally I use the templates in the RRS Appendices to form a new set
after each 4-year RRS revision (unless there are no major changes) and
then modify to suit the particular Open Meeting.
Mike Croker
Lancing SC
Colin Jenkins wrote:
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Ralph,
The French system does produce a more or less standard format for racing. This serves them well as dinghy racing is concentrated in a limited number of classes. The notion of club racing does not really exist. All racing is in local regional or national open events. The standardised SIs mean that competitors do not have to assimilate lengthy and differing SIs every week.
Shortening course is always a problem, especially as crews seem to have lost the habit of looking out for the signal flags. The type of course used should take into account the possibility of shortening course with the resources available. The Olympic trapezoid course, for instance, is an excellent course that gives good racing - but it helps to have a huge fleet of RIBS, preferably each with an International Race Officer of Judge on board!
On multilap races (usually windward leewards) I have used an additional signal “S over C” at the leeward mark to signal “Shortened course - sail directly to the finish line”. This works both for a finish set someway up the beat or with a reach to the finish - the finish line is laid as normal according to the SIs. This only requires the mark boat to set the requisite flags (already set up on a pole, and marked) and blow a whistle. Most, if not all, of our volunteers can cope with this.
Once fleets have passed the first windward mark on a trapezoid course they are effectively sailing different courses. The course can be shortened at a mark but this means that there will have to be 2 finish boats. I have seen RS 200/400 events in which both fleets sail to a finish line set from the committee boat used to start the race. They sail multiple laps, and courses are shortened at the leeward mark. The “S over C” signal can work with this (although the RS fleets just use “S” to mean “shortened course - sail to the finish line” which I feel is ambiguous).
Shortening course for only some of the classes in multi-class fleets is possible - but in my jaundiced opinion is too complicated for the modern dinghy sailor. And there is often the logistical problem of getting the appropriate class flags to the finishing boat.
I am now of the opinion that it is better to run as many short races as possible (3 or 4 per day, though we have sailed 7 or more when only 1 class is racing), and if a race goes pear-shaped, abandon and start again ASAP. Psychologically, competitors seem to accept this better than a shortened course in which some boats lose out because they didn’t see (that is - look for) the S flag.
Gordon
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Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Championship SIs
Hi Colin
I follow Mike’s route of producing a new template each RRS revision
The difficulty I find is that RRS tends to cover moderately sized International Regattas & sometimes
just does not address many issues which arise at Open & larger events. egWhere would you find a workable/practical SI to shorten a course being sailed by multiple fleets on
inner & outer sausages on a trapezoid course :-/ Rule 32.2 is just left behind.
Other examples are of course General Handicap, Pursuit racing starting from the shoreThere are many more examples of where the standard App L just does not cover (sensible) requirements
I have a template for Rutland events which I have developed over a number of years which is the
standard AppL but with lots & lots of notes, sample paragraphs used at certain events etc etcI start with this template as my basis for the event SIs & delete all the things which don’t apply.
But it is amazing how my template is continually being updated with new experiences.Not sure if I like the French idea as it seems to remove a lot of the creativity which make racing
in different classes more interesting.Regards
Ralph-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Croker [mailto:mdcroker@which.net]
Sent: 03 May 2006 09:40
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Championship SIsPersonally I use the templates in the RRS Appendices to form a new set
after each 4-year RRS revision (unless there are no major changes) and
then modify to suit the particular Open Meeting.Mike Croker
Lancing SCColin Jenkins wrote:
Hi,
Apparently our club reinvents weekend open SIs every time they happen;
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days…? We need to get more organised…Colin J
www.mumblesyachtclub.co.uk–
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