We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
You haven't given us all the information we would need to know.
1. You say "average of previous two races." Presumably, that means "average of points" for the previous two races but you would need to confirm that. ["Average of finishing position" and "average of points" would be the same under the low point system provided the boat wasn't OCS, DNF, etc. "Average of times" or other stuff would be different.]
2. RRS A6.2 provides "If the protest committee decides to give redress by adjusting a boat's score, the scores of other boats shall not be changed unless the protest committee decides otherwise." You haven't told us whether the Protest Committee specifically instructed you (as scorer) to change other boat's scores. If not, then they shouldn't be changed.
3. Version 2.8.5 (and most earlier versions) include a scoring code of RDG. This code allows for assigned points and by default no other boats scores change (in compliance with RRS 6.2). You implement the redress by right-clicking on the result of that competitor for race 3, selecting "Edit result," selecting "Code," selecting "RDG" and then picking the correct number of points to apply.
You shouldn't be messing around with the finish times of boats unless the PC specifically instructs you to do that (which it is perfectly proper to do when they deem it appropriate).
If the PC instructs you that other boats scores will change then you can create a new code (under SETUP|SCORING SYSTEM|SCORING CODES) based on the existing RDG and then edit the new code by unchecking the box to apply A6b(sic). Then, you can do the steps under the first paragraph of 3 above to pick that new code and assign the correct number of points.
Art
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On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
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I just posted a response that probably solved your "problem" but it didn't actually answer your question since I suspect you inadvertently asked the wrong question. However, it is probably worth answering the question you asked for general education.
I don't believe you can edit Corrected times, ever. You can, however, leave the Finish time as it is and edit the Elapsed time for a boat. That will then generate a new Corrected time, which will be used in determining finish positions and points. To get a specific Corrected time you'll have to go through the same process of adjusting the Elapsed time as you used to adjust the Finish time. [You could of course just use Excel or another spreadsheet to calculate the Elapsed time you will need but it is probably quicker to do it through trial and error.] If the PC instructs you to play with times I would recommend leaving the Finish time as recorded at the finish line for audit purposes and changing the Elapsed time instead. [And if the PC said to change Finish times I would explain why it be better to change Elapsed times but if they insist then I would do what they say regardless.]
To actually implement such a change you would right-click the result you wanted to change, pick "Edit result," select "Elapsed time and enter your new Elapsed time in the box. The Finish time becomes grayed out but will print as originally entered. If anyone tries to calculate the Elapsed time from the Finish time they won't be able to do so, which is as it should be.
BOTTOM LINE: You asked "Is there an easier way ...?" The answer is NO.
Art
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On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
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I should have said average of points in previous races..
When I said change corrected time, I meant the process of changing the finish time in order to affect the elapsed time, hence corrected time.
Anyway, I used the RDG code, then assigned 5 points - Voila! Exactly what I wanted to happen. The subject competitor's results is 5RDG points, while the other competitors points did not change.
Thank you Art for your detailed responses!
Michael
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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel <artengel123@...> wrote:
You haven't given us all the information we would need to know.
1. You say "average of previous two races." Presumably, that means
"average of points" for the previous two races but you would need to
confirm that. ["Average of finishing position" and "average of points"
would be the same under the low point system provided the boat wasn't
OCS, DNF, etc. "Average of times" or other stuff would be different.]
2. RRS A6.2 provides "If the protest committee decides to give redress
by adjusting a boat's score, the scores of other boats shall not be
changed unless the protest committee decides otherwise." You haven't
told us whether the Protest Committee specifically instructed you (as
scorer) to change other boat's scores. If not, then they shouldn't be
changed.
3. Version 2.8.5 (and most earlier versions) include a scoring code of
RDG. This code allows for assigned points and by default no other boats
scores change (in compliance with RRS 6.2). You implement the redress by
right-clicking on the result of that competitor for race 3, selecting
"Edit result," selecting "Code," selecting "RDG" and then picking the
correct number of points to apply.
You shouldn't be messing around with the finish times of boats unless
the PC specifically instructs you to do that (which it is perfectly
proper to do when they deem it appropriate).
If the PC instructs you that other boats scores will change then you can
create a new code (under SETUP|SCORING SYSTEM|SCORING CODES) based on
the existing RDG and then edit the new code by unchecking the box to
apply A6b(sic). Then, you can do the steps under the first paragraph of
3 above to pick that new code and assign the correct number of points.
Art
On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
> We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
>
> I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
>
> Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Glad its all worked out - Just thought I would add for those reading this later, or those that haven’t noticed.
There is a relatively new addition to Sailwave that allows the Average of specified races and you can specify which races that it uses
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 March 2013 20:50, Michael msdobrzensky@yahoo.com wrote:
I should have said average of points in previous races…
When I said change corrected time, I meant the process of changing the finish time in order to affect the elapsed time, hence corrected time.
Anyway, I used the RDG code, then assigned 5 points - Voila! Exactly what I wanted to happen. The subject competitor’s results is 5RDG points, while the other competitors points did not change.
Thank you Art for your detailed responses!
Michael
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel wrote:
You haven’t given us all the information we would need to know.
- You say “average of previous two races.” Presumably, that means
“average of points” for the previous two races but you would need to
confirm that. [“Average of finishing position” and “average of points”
would be the same under the low point system provided the boat wasn’t
OCS, DNF, etc. “Average of times” or other stuff would be different.]
- RRS A6.2 provides "If the protest committee decides to give redress
by adjusting a boat’s score, the scores of other boats shall not be
changed unless the protest committee decides otherwise." You haven’t
told us whether the Protest Committee specifically instructed you (as
scorer) to change other boat’s scores. If not, then they shouldn’t be
changed.
- Version 2.8.5 (and most earlier versions) include a scoring code of
RDG. This code allows for assigned points and by default no other boats
scores change (in compliance with RRS 6.2). You implement the redress by
right-clicking on the result of that competitor for race 3, selecting
“Edit result,” selecting “Code,” selecting “RDG” and then picking the
correct number of points to apply.
You shouldn’t be messing around with the finish times of boats unless
the PC specifically instructs you to do that (which it is perfectly
proper to do when they deem it appropriate).
If the PC instructs you that other boats scores will change then you can
create a new code (under SETUP|SCORING SYSTEM|SCORING CODES) based on
the existing RDG and then edit the new code by unchecking the box to
apply A6b(sic). Then, you can do the steps under the first paragraph of
3 above to pick that new code and assign the correct number of points.
Art
On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
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Michael,
Glad I could help.
You also could have have used the RDGb code, which would have averaged the points for all races before the one in question (I believe you said that the PC wanted the results for race #3 to be the average of the points for races # and #2).
The option you used is, I believe, the better one because it displays the scoring code required by RRS A11. To strictly comply with the rules you are supposed to amend A11 in your SIs to use scoring codes not listed in that rule. However, it is hard to imagine a boat would be entitled to redress if you used other scoring codes since their points would be the same no matter which scoring code you used. Still, I would be inclined to follow the rules.
Art
PS - Jon mentioned another option, which I mention in a separate posting.
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On 3/1/2013 12:50 PM, Michael wrote:
I should have said average of points in previous races..
When I said change corrected time, I meant the process of changing the finish time in order to affect the elapsed time, hence corrected time.
Anyway, I used the RDG code, then assigned 5 points - Voila! Exactly what I wanted to happen. The subject competitor's results is 5RDG points, while the other competitors points did not change.
Thank you Art for your detailed responses!
Michael
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel<artengel123@...> wrote:
You haven't given us all the information we would need to know.
1. You say "average of previous two races." Presumably, that means
"average of points" for the previous two races but you would need to
confirm that. ["Average of finishing position" and "average of points"
would be the same under the low point system provided the boat wasn't
OCS, DNF, etc. "Average of times" or other stuff would be different.]
2. RRS A6.2 provides "If the protest committee decides to give redress
by adjusting a boat's score, the scores of other boats shall not be
changed unless the protest committee decides otherwise." You haven't
told us whether the Protest Committee specifically instructed you (as
scorer) to change other boat's scores. If not, then they shouldn't be
changed.
3. Version 2.8.5 (and most earlier versions) include a scoring code of
RDG. This code allows for assigned points and by default no other boats
scores change (in compliance with RRS 6.2). You implement the redress by
right-clicking on the result of that competitor for race 3, selecting
"Edit result," selecting "Code," selecting "RDG" and then picking the
correct number of points to apply.
You shouldn't be messing around with the finish times of boats unless
the PC specifically instructs you to do that (which it is perfectly
proper to do when they deem it appropriate).
If the PC instructs you that other boats scores will change then you can
create a new code (under SETUP|SCORING SYSTEM|SCORING CODES) based on
the existing RDG and then edit the new code by unchecking the box to
apply A6b(sic). Then, you can do the steps under the first paragraph of
3 above to pick that new code and assign the correct number of points.
Art
On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress, the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
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Jon,
I intended to write and ask how this works but I figured it out. The problem was that I assumed that the input for "specified races" would be like "assigned points" and show up on the "Edit result" page when I choose the code.
Then, I figured that I was supposed to specify the races using the "Value" entry box where I define the code. Then I FINALLY realized that "Value" meant "N," which I hadn't thought of. And, I then realized the "Races" entry box wasn't grayed out and I was supposed to use that.
I suggest changing "Value" for the first entry box to "Value [N]" so it is obvious what is what.
Also, although it won't often happen that this option is used twice in a regatta, when that happens the user will have to use two different codes in order to specify the races for each particular instance. That hadn't initially occurred to me as a possibility. Good to know.
Art
PS - I once suggested (requested) an option that would allow the user to specify what is published for each scoring code (like the user can choose who discards and scoring codes are formatted). I am guessing it is easier to program multiple scoring codes for RDG rather than have a single code with options for each instance. But, that results in multiple codes whereas RRS A11 requires (only allows) the use of just one code for all requests of redress. I can add additional codes in my SIs but it is hard to determine ahead of time what additional codes will be needed for a regatta. That could be solved if there were a place that I could could determine what letter combination would show when published. That way I could map each Sailwave scoring code to an ISAF scoring code. [This issue arises because rule A11 was changed in 2009 to make the ISAF scoring codes MANDATORY. Prior to that they were merely recommended.]
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On 3/1/2013 1:01 PM, Jon Eskdale wrote:
Glad its all worked out - Just thought I would add for those reading this
later, or those that haven't noticed.
There is a relatively new addition to Sailwave that allows the Average of
specified races and you can specify which races that it uses
[image: Inline images 1]
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 March 2013 20:50, Michael<msdobrzensky@yahoo.com> wrote:
**
I should have said average of points in previous races..
When I said change corrected time, I meant the process of changing the
finish time in order to affect the elapsed time, hence corrected time.
Anyway, I used the RDG code, then assigned 5 points - Voila! Exactly what
I wanted to happen. The subject competitor's results is 5RDG points, while
the other competitors points did not change.
Thank you Art for your detailed responses!
Michael
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel wrote:
You haven't given us all the information we would need to know.
1. You say "average of previous two races." Presumably, that means
"average of points" for the previous two races but you would need to
confirm that. ["Average of finishing position" and "average of points"
would be the same under the low point system provided the boat wasn't
OCS, DNF, etc. "Average of times" or other stuff would be different.]
2. RRS A6.2 provides "If the protest committee decides to give redress
by adjusting a boat's score, the scores of other boats shall not be
changed unless the protest committee decides otherwise." You haven't
told us whether the Protest Committee specifically instructed you (as
scorer) to change other boat's scores. If not, then they shouldn't be
changed.
3. Version 2.8.5 (and most earlier versions) include a scoring code of
RDG. This code allows for assigned points and by default no other boats
scores change (in compliance with RRS 6.2). You implement the redress by
right-clicking on the result of that competitor for race 3, selecting
"Edit result," selecting "Code," selecting "RDG" and then picking the
correct number of points to apply.
You shouldn't be messing around with the finish times of boats unless
the PC specifically instructs you to do that (which it is perfectly
proper to do when they deem it appropriate).
If the PC instructs you that other boats scores will change then you can
create a new code (under SETUP|SCORING SYSTEM|SCORING CODES) based on
the existing RDG and then edit the new code by unchecking the box to
apply A6b(sic). Then, you can do the steps under the first paragraph of
3 above to pick that new code and assign the correct number of points.
Art
On 2/28/2013 7:47 PM, Michael wrote:
We had a recent situation in which a competitor was granted redress,
the result being to award that individual the average of the previous two
races,(5th place in each race = 5th place avg) for the 3rd race.
I adjusted (through trial and error)his finish time to result in a
corrected time equal to another competitor who was in 5th place in the 3rd
race.
Question: Is there an easier or more direct way to change the
corrected time? Ideally, I could enter a corrected time and it would change
the elapsed time (or finish time)
Thanks,
Michael
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