Sorry to be so negative again.
If you change the sailing instructions, this can alter who wins.
If it is done too late (how long is a piece of string) you invite a request for redress under RRS 62.
Be careful, advise at the briefing it may happen and do it ASAP as it is required.
Mike Butterfield
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Colin Jenkins
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:02 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIs
A good method to hold as much boats on the water till the last race is to
have the last discard with the max number of races planned, if needed you
change this number by amendment to the SI when it is clear that the max
number will not be reached.<<We’ve started doing that for opens… goes down well…
CJ
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike & Trish Butterfield
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Club SIsSee appendix A
A2 the starting point is low point one discard.
This can be changed.
Come back to me if you want on help on the Si,s.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Jenkins
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIsMike,
Thanks. My SIs are an attempt to reflect what actually happens at the
club - for exmple when running races from the roof we do not use flags -
just (very loud) beeps. WRT 10 - that’s just it - we race all over the
place and the start line and finish line are never the same place twice.
But perhaps an experiment that is doomed to failure based on the responses
here…So can low point be assumed if no specific reference is made to low/bonus
point… I assumed you have to say which one you were going to use.CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of
Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 22 May 2007 22:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Club SIsI have had a quick look at the SI, I find them a nightmare!
Si’s can be brief following appendix L
- Appendix L shorter
- this means nothing and can be discarded
3 OK- usually at the end
- a notice of race item, should be in club handbook.
- see above
- ok
- ok
9.ok- where, please do not say verbally.
- They get this penalty in any event, but you have to protest to achieve
this. If you do not want to protest you have to specify the rule you are
changing. look at Appendix A5.- Appendix A applies in any event.
ii ok
iii is this 1.5 points or something else. I could win the series if I did
enough.i what is the other end?
ii why M when you can fly the other 3 together?
iii why restrict yourself?
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i just use the flags that is what they are for.
ii should this say amends RRS 26?
iii there is no reqiurement for this in the rules it can be deleted.
iv why bother
v does this confuse?I would ask that you review this as otherwise the protest committee will be
busy.Tell me what you want and I can draft something for you if you wish.
I would recommend these are revisited.
Mike Butterfield IRO IU NJ
Member RYA Race Management Group----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIsMinimal???
I think you have achieved a world record for brevityIf you look at Appendix L you will see all sorts of elements missing
Remember, the SIs should be written for new members as well as those that
are a billion years old!
You are quite right that the SIs should not restate the rules but they do
establish how the rules are applied to racing at your clubI suppose one glaring hole is that it might be advisable to include how
people will know what the race track will be :-0Happy to provide as much help as you need
Suggest we do it outside SUG if you want to take up the offerRegards
RalphFrom: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 19 May 2007 11:25
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Club SIsOur club SIs are about a billion years old and seem to restate everything
already in the RRS. In at attempt at a minimal set I’ve come up with this:-http://www.mumblesyachtclub.co.uk/racing_sis.php
Any glaring holes (probably)…?
CJ
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