Gordon,
PS My theory is that if there are no protests in club racing - either
there is widespread ignorance of the rules, or they are being ignored. I
believe that protests are a healthy sign in any fleet - but as an NJ I would
say that wouldn’t I<<
Possibly, but we do get the rule book out and have kangaroo courts in the
bar.
I’m sure this is all sounding like a horror story for you pros - I suspect
Mike still has not recovered from my SIs
Perhaps it’s time for a change and perhaps changing to SIs to reflect
reality was a mistake - better to change reality to good SIs (that will be a
serious uphill struggle)…? after all when you go away to an event you’re
going to get APP L based ones, not CJ type ones…
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Jenkins
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIs
Hi Gordon,
I can’t remember anybody protesting. I think perhaps because often we all
treat club racing as a practice session for events we go away to rather than
something we try and win itself. For example I can often been seen tacking
and gybing my A every 10 seconds or so during a club race - ditto the
sipnnaker cats who often practice hoists. We also like to practice gong
round corners and last weekend has a small course with about 10 laps which
was great for the spinny boats. Not always of course, sometimes we actually
race! It’s all very chilled.
CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of
gordon davies
Sent: 23 May 2007 06:20
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Club SIs
In my experience, courses on blackboards, or verbally given courses lead to
problems. It is very frustrating for a protest committee to have to spend
considerable time establishing what instructions were given to competitors.
Write the course on paper -and append the course sheet to the results
sheets.
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Colin Jenkins
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:06 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIs
Ah, I see what you mean re :-
"A start line, finish line, course and number of laps shall be specified on
the day. "
But again I was trying to reflect what actually happens - sometimes the OOD
will use the blackboard, some use the noticeboard, some get there late and
come out on a rib - the old SIs were specific but constantly ignored so I
went wooly to reflect what actually happens in reality and that reality is
not painful - as long as we all know what the course is nobody seems to mind
how that information is relayed. Too chilled perhaps…!
CJ
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Of
Mike & Trish Butterfield
Sent: 22 May 2007 22:11
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Club SIs
I have had a quick look at the SI, I find them a nightmare!
Si’s can be brief following appendix L
- Appendix L shorter
- this means nothing and can be discarded
3 OK
- usually at the end
- a notice of race item, should be in club handbook.
- see above
- ok
- ok
9.ok
- where, please do not say verbally.
- They get this penalty in any event, but you have to protest to achieve
this. If you do not want to protest you have to specify the rule you are
changing. look at Appendix A5.
- Appendix A applies in any event.
ii ok
iii is this 1.5 points or something else. I could win the series if I did
enough.
-
i what is the other end?
ii why M when you can fly the other 3 together?
iii why restrict yourself?
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i just use the flags that is what they are for.
ii should this say amends RRS 26?
iii there is no reqiurement for this in the rules it can be deleted.
iv why bother
v does this confuse?
I would ask that you review this as otherwise the protest committee will be
busy.
Tell me what you want and I can draft something for you if you wish.
I would recommend these are revisited.
Mike Butterfield IRO IU NJ
Member RYA Race Management Group
----- Original Message -----
From: Ralph Tingle
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Club SIs
Minimal???
I think you have achieved a world record for brevity
If you look at Appendix L you will see all sorts of elements missing
Remember, the SIs should be written for new members as well as those that
are a billion years old!
You are quite right that the SIs should not restate the rules but they do
establish how the rules are applied to racing at your club
I suppose one glaring hole is that it might be advisable to include how
people will know what the race track will be :-0
Happy to provide as much help as you need
Suggest we do it outside SUG if you want to take up the offer
Regards
Ralph
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 19 May 2007 11:25
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Club SIs
Our club SIs are about a billion years old and seem to restate everything
already in the RRS. In at attempt at a minimal set I’ve come up with this:-
http://www.mumblesyachtclub.co.uk/racing_sis.php
Any glaring holes (probably)…?
CJ
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