Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is painful as each
scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
I'm beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a user
thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of code
formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about it forever.
What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code differently
just because it's a different series...?
I'll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway...!
Hi Colin
Not sure if I understand what you are proposing but
"is there ever a need to display a code differently just because it's a different series...?"
The answer has to be yes in examples such as flights where DNF, DNC etc vary according to the
highest flight in the Qualifications & then changes to the actual number in that flight for the
finals with different values if the number of boats in the fleet differs.
Also RDG can vary or am I stating the obvious?
Sorry have not replied to AppLE step 2 yet but unable to split myself down the middle ;-(
Will try & get to it as soon as poss
Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is painful as each
scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
I'm beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a user
thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of code
formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about it forever.
What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code differently
just because it's a different series...?
I'll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway...!
I'm not talking baout how the codes for calculated just how they are
formatted - i.e. "DNF" or "23.0 DNF" or DNF (23.0) etc. The codes lists
willl stay in the scoring systems - as you say they are needed at that level
(e.g. high/low point). but the formatting... I think it's a user preference
not an SI thing...
Hi Colin
Not sure if I understand what you are proposing but
"is there ever a need to display a code differently just because
it's a different series...?"
The answer has to be yes in examples such as flights where DNF,
DNC etc vary according to the
highest flight in the Qualifications & then changes to the actual
number in that flight for the
finals with different values if the number of boats in the fleet differs.
Also RDG can vary or am I stating the obvious?
Sorry have not replied to AppLE step 2 yet but unable to split
myself down the middle ;-(
Will try & get to it as soon as poss
Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is
painful as each
scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
I'm beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a user
thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of code
formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about
it forever.
What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code differently
just because it's a different series...?
I'll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway...!
I'm not talking baout how the codes for calculated just how they are
formatted - i.e. "DNF" or "23.0 DNF" or DNF (23.0) etc. The codes lists
willl stay in the scoring systems - as you say they are needed at that level
(e.g. high/low point). but the formatting... I think it's a user preference
not an SI thing...
Hi Colin
Not sure if I understand what you are proposing but
"is there ever a need to display a code differently just because
it's a different series...?"
The answer has to be yes in examples such as flights where DNF,
DNC etc vary according to the
highest flight in the Qualifications & then changes to the actual
number in that flight for the
finals with different values if the number of boats in the fleet differs.
Also RDG can vary or am I stating the obvious?
Sorry have not replied to AppLE step 2 yet but unable to split
myself down the middle ;-(
Will try & get to it as soon as poss
Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is
painful as each
scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
I'm beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a user
thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of code
formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about
it forever.
What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code differently
just because it's a different series...?
I'll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway...!
I suppose you’re into something here… It’s a “user thing” and will be set only once. The flexibility regarding the possibility to set for each code, might be “too much”. SW are right now quite powerful, very flexible but also quite complex and not easy to use (in certain situations). It might be just a little offer to give away flexibility for a more easy-to-follow SW.
In other scoring softwares, it’s quite common to make 2 rows in the race fields/area: One for “scored points” and one for “Finishes”.
Then you don’t need the formatting thing… But, the flexibility gets low, printouts gets LARGE and so on.
For simple regattas, like small club series, it’s OK.
When doing more complex stuff, like flights, the visability today is not good enough. You can view flights/scored points/finishes (and more) by toggeling the view. This is a bit confusing to alot of users, ref. the SUG. Especially the toggle between scored points and finish has made alot confusions, me included…
Another thing to consider, is the viewing of “special codes”. I’m thinking about SCP and the Z-flag: If a boat brakes the RRS 30.2, and there is a general recall, and the boat breakes 30.2 again; how do you display a 40% (but not more than DNF) penalty?
` Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is painful as each
scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
I’m beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a user
thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of code
formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about it forever.
What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code differently
just because it’s a different series…?
I’ll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway…!
“If a boat brakes the RRS 30.2, and there is a general recall, and the boat breakes 30.2 again; how do you display a 40% (but not more than DNF) penalty?”
Rule 30.2 does not limit the penalty to one per start sequence.
A boat which puts its bow over the line within 1 minute is penalised 20%, the second time an additional 20%, third time … until the the boat’s score reaches the same as DNF etc.
To score this, I would set up scoring codes of ZFP (20%), ZFP2 (40%), ZFP3 etc
It may even be worthwhile using a code of ZFP40, ZFP60 to denote more than one penalty
“If a boat brakes the RRS 30.2, and there is a general recall, and the boat breakes 30.2 again; how do you display a 40% (but not more than DNF) penalty?”
Rule 30.2 does not limit the penalty to one per start sequence.
A boat which puts its bow over the line within 1 minute is penalised 20%, the second time an additional 20%, third time … until the the boat’s score reaches the same as DNF etc.
To score this, I would set up scoring codes of ZFP (20%), ZFP2 (40%), ZFP3 etc
It may even be worthwhile using a code of ZFP40, ZFP60 to denote more than one penalty
This is something I was working on a new design for at the weekend. I agree with the person that said that the penalties need to be calculated separately and then accumulated, although the solution given on the SUG today is the closest you can get to that with the current version on Sailwave; and will often give the same answer.
Proposed changes.
Like entering elapsed times and start-finish times, results for a one-design race are entered as a ‘finish order’ (that phrase is used by USSA/RYA in their scoring guidelines). This is a (mathematically) real number, so you can insert boats by entering a finish order of 4.5 etc. There can be gaps - all that matters is the order is correct (again compare with elapsed times and start/finish times). This will make it v easy to add missed boats.
Sailwave calculates the “Place” (currently entered directly for one-design) by ranking the finish order/elapsed times/start-finish times etc. Initial ‘place points’ will be shown.
Penalties go in a new field and you can add N penalty codes. The total penalty points is shown.
Redress also goes in a new field.
(3. and 4. are important because the place a boat takes does not (usually) change due to penalties/redress and the priginal result must be clearly shown.)
The final point is then place points + penalty points, or redress points. It will be clearly shown which is used.
Disqualification is handled by changing the original finishing code - so the place changes and other boats move place.
You can do all this now but it’s not obvious. It needs to be more obvious.
NB: I want to do the penalty codes as dedicated fields not a list (which is slow to use). What is the max number of penalties that a competitor may realistically get for a single race? I was thinking 5…
"If a boat brakes the RRS 30.2, and there is a general recall, and the boat breakes 30.2 again; how do you display a 40% (but not more than DNF) penalty?"
Rule 30.2 does not limit the penalty to one per start sequence.
A boat which puts its bow over the line within 1 minute is penalised 20%, the second time an additional 20%, third time ...... until the the boat's score reaches the same as DNF etc.
To score this, I would set up scoring codes of ZFP (20%), ZFP2 (40%), ZFP3 etc
It may even be worthwhile using a code of ZFP40, ZFP60 to denote more than one penalty
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> Currently you can specify the format of each code - this is painful
as each
> scoring system has a code set and each series has N scoring systems.
>
> I'm beginning to think that the way codes are formatted is really a
user
> thing and would like to greately simplify by have a simple set of
code
> formats in Setup+GlobalOptions - i.e. set it up and forget about it
forever.
>
> What do you all think - is there ever a need to display a code
differently
> just because it's a different series...?
>
> I'll assume silence means OK, but reply OK if you want to anyway...!
>
> Colin
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