Correcting Place Errors

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Hi Colin

For a long time, I have been under the misconception that when changing a recorded position & then
clicking on the score button, both the points & positions are automatically recalculated.

I now realise that this is not the case & the only way of changing positions is using the tool to
add or subtract from a certain position.
Unfortunately, correcting errors (either input or Committee boat) are not uncommon & whilst changing
a position & rescoring will produce the desired effect on the series scores, any attempt to trace
back during a subsequent query is significantly hampered by not using the re-position tool.

Situations where a boat is initially awarded a position of say 4th place but then needs to be
corrected to 84th after all the results have been entered, causes a mini-revolution from input
personnel, who have to work out where to add from & where to subtract from & in which sequence it
should be carried out - my name was mud this weekend :-((

Is it possible that the logic used for automatically recalculating points could also be applied to
recalculating positions or at least an option provided (in series scoring?) to switch the facility
on or off if the user does not want this to happen eg in flights??

Hope you can help my problem as many more of these 'senior moments' will make me a candidate for
being hoisted up the club flagpole, along with flag D :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Ralph,

So far I have taken the position(sic) that Sailwave does not automatically
change anything typed by the user; but yes I could change that.

Presently it handles gaps OK, i.e. if you record 1,2,3,5,6,7 it will score
1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 but I agree it can be a pain to insert a
position. I'll sort it out. It can't be a scoring thing though because of
real ties, it'll have to be an Edit+result thing - i.e. you change 84th to
4th and press OK - Sailwave says "there's already a 4th do you want to move
everybody down" and you click y/n. It would only prompt like that when
changing a result, rather than entering a result for the first time
(otherwise users will get fed up of being asked when entering real ties).

Is that what you mean...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 20 June 2005 15:37
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Hi Colin

For a long time, I have been under the misconception that when
changing a recorded position & then
clicking on the score button, both the points & positions are
automatically recalculated.

I now realise that this is not the case & the only way of
changing positions is using the tool to
add or subtract from a certain position.
Unfortunately, correcting errors (either input or Committee boat)
are not uncommon & whilst changing
a position & rescoring will produce the desired effect on the
series scores, any attempt to trace
back during a subsequent query is significantly hampered by not
using the re-position tool.

Situations where a boat is initially awarded a position of say
4th place but then needs to be
corrected to 84th after all the results have been entered, causes
a mini-revolution from input
personnel, who have to work out where to add from & where to
subtract from & in which sequence it
should be carried out - my name was mud this weekend :-((

Is it possible that the logic used for automatically
recalculating points could also be applied to
recalculating positions or at least an option provided (in series
scoring?) to switch the facility
on or off if the user does not want this to happen eg in flights??

Hope you can help my problem as many more of these 'senior
moments' will make me a candidate for
being hoisted up the club flagpole, along with flag D :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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Hi Colin

"Edit+result thing - i.e. you change 84th to 4th and press OK - Sailwave says "there's already a 4th
do you want to move
everybody down" and you click y/n."

......err, I think so.....?

In your example, a click on y/n should automatically move ONLY those competitors from 4th to 83rd
down one & insert the adjusted competitor as 4th but don't forget that the reverse will need to
happen ie change 4th to 84th.

Could you also think about a different message as sometimes it will be moving everyone up OR down.

It would be easier if the user was not asked a question which requires using up some grey cells.
I am not suggesting for one moment that our users are 'thickies' but when the race officer is
standing over them, waiting for the results to be changed, added stress is "not conducive to a long
& harmonious relationship"

I am not sure if this would have an impact on ties as I have never called one.
When others have had chance to read this, you may get a different perspective on the issue

LAURA (fellow SUG member) if I have got this wrong, please reply.

Regards
Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 20 June 2005 16:01
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Hi Ralph,

So far I have taken the position(sic) that Sailwave does not automatically
change anything typed by the user; but yes I could change that.

Presently it handles gaps OK, i.e. if you record 1,2,3,5,6,7 it will score
1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0, 5.0, 6.0 but I agree it can be a pain to insert a
position. I'll sort it out. It can't be a scoring thing though because of
real ties, it'll have to be an Edit+result thing - i.e. you change 84th to
4th and press OK - Sailwave says "there's already a 4th do you want to move
everybody down" and you click y/n. It would only prompt like that when
changing a result, rather than entering a result for the first time
(otherwise users will get fed up of being asked when entering real ties).

Is that what you mean...?

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 20 June 2005 15:37
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Hi Colin

For a long time, I have been under the misconception that when
changing a recorded position & then
clicking on the score button, both the points & positions are
automatically recalculated.

I now realise that this is not the case & the only way of
changing positions is using the tool to
add or subtract from a certain position.
Unfortunately, correcting errors (either input or Committee boat)
are not uncommon & whilst changing
a position & rescoring will produce the desired effect on the
series scores, any attempt to trace
back during a subsequent query is significantly hampered by not
using the re-position tool.

Situations where a boat is initially awarded a position of say
4th place but then needs to be
corrected to 84th after all the results have been entered, causes
a mini-revolution from input
personnel, who have to work out where to add from & where to
subtract from & in which sequence it
should be carried out - my name was mud this weekend :-((

Is it possible that the logic used for automatically
recalculating points could also be applied to
recalculating positions or at least an option provided (in series
scoring?) to switch the facility
on or off if the user does not want this to happen eg in flights??

Hope you can help my problem as many more of these 'senior
moments' will make me a candidate for
being hoisted up the club flagpole, along with flag D :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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Presumably changing the Edit+RearrangeRecordedPlaces would be easier to use
if it was drag and drop based as well... i.e. drag 84th to 4th and
everything sorts itself out...

CJ

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 20 June 2005 15:37
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Hi Colin

For a long time, I have been under the misconception that when
changing a recorded position & then
clicking on the score button, both the points & positions are
automatically recalculated.

I now realise that this is not the case & the only way of
changing positions is using the tool to
add or subtract from a certain position.
Unfortunately, correcting errors (either input or Committee boat)
are not uncommon & whilst changing
a position & rescoring will produce the desired effect on the
series scores, any attempt to trace
back during a subsequent query is significantly hampered by not
using the re-position tool.

Situations where a boat is initially awarded a position of say
4th place but then needs to be
corrected to 84th after all the results have been entered, causes
a mini-revolution from input
personnel, who have to work out where to add from & where to
subtract from & in which sequence it
should be carried out - my name was mud this weekend :-((

Is it possible that the logic used for automatically
recalculating points could also be applied to
recalculating positions or at least an option provided (in series
scoring?) to switch the facility
on or off if the user does not want this to happen eg in flights??

Hope you can help my problem as many more of these 'senior
moments' will make me a candidate for
being hoisted up the club flagpole, along with flag D :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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"if it was drag and drop based as well... i.e. drag 84th to 4th and everything sorts itself out..."
NOW YOU ARE REALLY TALKING!!

I wasn't going to raise the subject as it is probably a great big issue & not just an add-on.

Since birth, there have been regular requests for SW to emulate a spreadsheet, especially when you
tempt us with an opening comment which says treat it like a spreadsheet :wink:

Only this weekend, I have finally decided that because of its little quirks, anomalies &
frustrations (but it's still the best on the market!) and the fact that changing data for errors etc
etc is not a simple process, I propose to view data processing for an event in the following stages
(obviously big events)

1. Enter Competitors & basic race results into a spread sheet.
This allows the user much more freedom & flexibility in getting the data right. Recording & amending
the Tiger Trophy Pursuit results for 250 boats finishing in 1knot of wind was an absolute
nightmare - I would not wish on my worst enemy.
The only efficient (& least stressful) method of:
- moving competitors up & down the list,
- changing Gen Handicap results to 2 laps instead of 3,
- adjusting for boats using different sail numbers to the one on the entry form
- and all the other problems involved in recording & entering accurate data
is a spreadsheet because it has drag & drop, instant visible display of what you have just entered &
is probably quicker to enter and correct data (please don't shoot me down if you disagree!)

2. Import the spreadsheet into sailwave
SW is BRILLIANT in this area & because you can import & overwrite at the blink of an eye, double
data handling is not an issue. As another problem is found, it is so easy to re-import again & again
(remember I am talking about BIG events not a 10 boat club race)

3. Use Sailwave's options & resources to control and manage the overall regatta scoring system
Because export is as good as import, my plan is to export a competitor list to a spreadsheet so that
as I enter the basic results info I can identify & investigate missing competitors or non-registered
sail numbers

4. Publish results direct from Sailwave
I always cringe when I see people publishing to a spreadsheet so that they can format the results to
avoid printing from IE on to 2/3 times more pieces of paper (Appreciate this is on your Development
programme)

Now for the dream!
When I open up my spreadsheet, there is a great big button or something on the tool bar (suggest
with a big smiley face on it) which when you press it, it displays a message box with something like

"Welcome to your Sailwave Drool button".
(It is called a Drool button because when you click on it, your results/data that you have just
spent so much time on to get right, will be automatically transferred to Sailwave, while you sit
back & smile.)
"Do you want to start Drooling YES/NO"

Over to you Colin :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]
Sent: 20 June 2005 19:50
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Presumably changing the Edit+RearrangeRecordedPlaces would be easier to use
if it was drag and drop based as well... i.e. drag 84th to 4th and
everything sorts itself out...

CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 20 June 2005 15:37
To: Sailwave
Subject: [sailwave] Correcting Place Errors

Hi Colin

For a long time, I have been under the misconception that when
changing a recorded position & then
clicking on the score button, both the points & positions are
automatically recalculated.

I now realise that this is not the case & the only way of
changing positions is using the tool to
add or subtract from a certain position.
Unfortunately, correcting errors (either input or Committee boat)
are not uncommon & whilst changing
a position & rescoring will produce the desired effect on the
series scores, any attempt to trace
back during a subsequent query is significantly hampered by not
using the re-position tool.

Situations where a boat is initially awarded a position of say
4th place but then needs to be
corrected to 84th after all the results have been entered, causes
a mini-revolution from input
personnel, who have to work out where to add from & where to
subtract from & in which sequence it
should be carried out - my name was mud this weekend :-((

Is it possible that the logic used for automatically
recalculating points could also be applied to
recalculating positions or at least an option provided (in series
scoring?) to switch the facility
on or off if the user does not want this to happen eg in flights??

Hope you can help my problem as many more of these 'senior
moments' will make me a candidate for
being hoisted up the club flagpole, along with flag D :wink:

Regards
Ralph

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