Dealing with handicap and one design in a single race

[Duncan_Hill_Sailwave]

Hello,

Scenario:

A single race, with three starts (nominally, fleets A, B, and C). Any fleet is comprised of boats being scored under ECHO, but there are a sufficient number of one design boats in the fleet that it makes sense to score those 1D boats against each other independently of the handicap scoring; prizes may or may not be awarded for the 1D boats, but there’s interest in seeing how people ranked against their 1D competitors.

Scoring everyone on handicap is easy; declare A, B, and C as Fleets in the competitor details. Set the scoring system to use ECHO for rating. Set starts for each Fleet. Record everyone by their finish time. Score the race, applying the scoring to each declared fleet. Everyone is now scored in their fleet/start based on handicap.

Problem:

Where I’m scratching my head is how to handle the 1D scoring as independent results; I’ve found a way, but I’m not sure if it’s a sane way.

The way I’m trying is to declare a master file with all of the competitors, and assigning Fleets and Classes appropriately, no rating system in effect, various starts for the race are created, all starts take a finish time; all finish times are entered into this master file for the race. I then create a new series file based on that master file, and score it via ECHO rating. Grand, that gives me the handicap results.

Then, create another series file based on the master, and score it based on Class instead of Fleet. This gives me per-class results, but all of the handicapped boats also get scored by their class name, which means I have to unselect a bunch of classes before running the publish process. This works, but I have to remember to unselect boat classes each time. It also means that 1D boats have a handicap rating; not a crisis, but it is a bit weird.

It gets worse if I want to do this across several races in a series that’s spread over several weeks; I have to re-create all of the files that are derived from the master after each race (since the times are going in to the master file).

Is there a better or saner approach to handling this scenario?

[Huw2]

Hi Duncan,

You should look at the alias functionality in Sailwave. I will try

to remember to answer more fully tomorrow when back at home.

Kind regards,
Huw

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On 12/06/16 13:55, ‘Duncan Hill
(Flickr)’ [sailwave] wrote:

flickr@cricalix.net

Hello,

Scenario:

          A single race, with three starts (nominally, fleets A, B,

and C). Any fleet is comprised of boats being scored under
ECHO, but there are a sufficient number of one design
boats in the fleet that it makes sense to score those 1D
boats against each other independently of the handicap
scoring; prizes may or may not be awarded for the 1D
boats, but there’s interest in seeing how people ranked
against their 1D competitors.

          Scoring everyone on handicap is easy; declare A, B, and C

as Fleets in the competitor details. Set the scoring
system to use ECHO for rating. Set starts for each Fleet.
Record everyone by their finish time. Score the race,
applying the scoring to each declared fleet. Everyone is
now scored in their fleet/start based on handicap.

Problem:

          Where I'm scratching my head is how to handle the 1D

scoring as independent results; I’ve found a way, but I’m
not sure if it’s a sane way.

          The way I'm trying is to declare a master file with all

of the competitors, and assigning Fleets and Classes
appropriately, no rating system in effect, various starts
for the race are created, all starts take a finish time;
all finish times are entered into this master file for the
race. I then create a new series file based on that master
file, and score it via ECHO rating. Grand, that gives me
the handicap results.

          Then, create another series file based on the master, and

score it based on Class instead of Fleet. This gives me
per-class results, but all of the handicapped boats also
get scored by their class name, which means I have to
unselect a bunch of classes before running the publish
process. This works, but I have to remember to unselect
boat classes each time. It also means that 1D boats have a
handicap rating; not a crisis, but it is a bit weird.

          It gets worse if I want to do this across several races

in a series that’s spread over several weeks; I have to
re-create all of the files that are derived from the
master after each race (since the times are going in to
the master file).

          Is there a better or saner approach to handling this

scenario?

[Duncan_Hill_Sailwave]

Hmm, I had tried creating aliases of the competitors in one of the classes (which worked), but I couldn’t see how to get ratings/scoring to pay attention to them and do something different. I’ll go try again. Cheers.

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On 2016-06-12 16:19, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Hi Duncan,

You should look at the alias functionality in Sailwave. I will try to remember to answer more fully tomorrow when back at home.

Kind regards,
Huw

[Art_Engel2]

This is an answer for anyone who finds this by searching.

Some basic information plus a couple of steps and hints (non-intuitive)
for using aliases.

An "alias" is a new competitor where all of the finish information is
taken from another competitor. Finishing time or position will be
identical and when the finish information for the base competitor is
modified the finish information for the alias competitor is modified as
well. The alias competitor will be scored in whatever fleet they are
entered, which will be different from the fleet for the base competitor.

Duncan - this is exactly what you want. You have 3 handicap fleets (say
ECHO A, ECHO B and ECHO C) and you have 5 OD boats in ECHO C that you
also want to score as an independent group. For each OD boat create an
alias and then assign the alias boats to a OD fleet. Now, each of those
boats will show up twice - once in the ECHO C fleet and once in the OD
fleet. Now, assign finishes (times or positions) to the base boats in
the ECHO C fleet and the alias boats in the OD fleet will automatically
inherit the information.

Now, you need to assign a separate, different rating system to the boats
in the OD fleet. Do that under "Setup|Scoring systems|Fleets" (you'll
choose "None"). You will also need to assign a start for the OD fleet
but you can do that easily under "Edit|Edit race" - choose the base
fleet, click new and change the selected competitors to your OD fleet.

You can now score as normal. You can include the OD Fleet in your
published results or not.

SOME HINTS

You enable the alias system under "Setup|User interface" toward the
bottom of the list. You have to have a series loaded to use the "User
interface" options.

Once you have competitor aliasing enabled, you have an option to create
multiple aliased competitors under "Edit|New Competitor Aliasing" (sort
the boats by fleet first and it will be easy to select the boats you
want to make aliases for).

You can change the class for all alias competitors under "Tools|Set
competitor field" - select only the aliased competitors with "Alias<>0"
and then assign them by changing the "Fleet" to a new value (such as
"OD" or the name of the OD class).

You should now have a new 4th fleet with only the alias OD boats in that
fleet. Input finishes for the base ECHO boats and score as normal (being
sure, of course, to score by Fleet when scoring). The finishing times or
positions will automatically be assigned to the alias boats and they
will be separately scores in their own fleet (as if the other boats in
their ECHO fleet did not exist).

Once set up for the first race all subsequent races will be handled
automatically. No need for multiple BLW files - just publish or don't
publish the alias fleet depending on whether you want to show or hide
the alias fleet. And, of course, you could publish just the alias fleet
series results to a separate webpage.

I think that should be it.

Art

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On 6/12/2016 8:35 AM, 'Duncan Hill (Flickr)' flickr@cricalix.net [sailwave] wrote:

On 2016-06-12 16:19, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] > wrote:

Hi Duncan,

You should look at the alias functionality in Sailwave. I will try
to remember to answer more fully tomorrow when back at home.

Kind regards, Huw

Hmm, I had tried creating aliases of the competitors in one of the
classes (which worked), but I couldn't see how to get ratings/scoring
to pay attention to them and do something different. I'll go try
again. Cheers.

[Duncan_Hill_Sailwave]

Thank you very much Art, I didn’t twig that I could change the Fleet value for an aliased competitor - that’s worked perfectly.

In terms of finding this detail when searching; I’d like to suggest that this kind of detail would go really well on the Sailwave site itself - Yahoo Groups won’t let me search this group without being logged in

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On 2016-06-13 01:37, Art Engel artengel123@earthlink.net [sailwave] wrote:

This is an answer for anyone who finds this by searching.

Duncan - this is exactly what you want. You have 3 handicap fleets (say
ECHO A, ECHO B and ECHO C) and you have 5 OD boats in ECHO C that you
also want to score as an independent group. For each OD boat create an
alias and then assign the alias boats to a OD fleet. Now, each of those
boats will show up twice - once in the ECHO C fleet and once in the OD
fleet. Now, assign finishes (times or positions) to the base boats in
the ECHO C fleet and the alias boats in the OD fleet will automatically
inherit the information.

Now, you need to assign a separate, different rating system to the boats
in the OD fleet. Do that under “Setup|Scoring systems|Fleets” (you’ll
choose “None”). You will also need to assign a start for the OD fleet
but you can do that easily under “Edit|Edit race” - choose the base
fleet, click new and change the selected competitors to your OD fleet.