Did Not Enter for a long series

Art_Engel2 · 22 January 2012 02:29

We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer series. We use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point, even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn't enter they get zero points for that race.

How do I implement that?

Thanks in advance!
Art

Huw2 · 22 January 2012 08:30

Hi Art,

I did something similar at my club a while ago, I will dig out from

my archives a copy of the file so you can see the set-up. Be a few
days before I can do so.

Kind regards,

Huw

···

On 22/01/2012 02:29, Art Engel wrote:

          We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long
summer series. We
use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get
one point,
even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn’t enter they
get zero points
for that race.
          How do I implement that?

          Thanks in advance!
          Art

George · 22 January 2012 09:30

Hi Art,

I have just set up exactly what you are planning. The formula is S-P+1 (no of starters - position + 1). There is a tab which allows you to set DSQ,DNF etc as 1pt and DNC or DNS as 0. There are people on this forum who will tell you how to do it but for starters.i) open a file, ii) on the list of features on the left hand panel double click points system > high point formula. You should be able to work out the rest from there,

Rgds

George Morris

···

----- Original Message -----

From:
Art Engel

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:29 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Did Not Enter for a long series

We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer series. We
use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point,
even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn’t enter they get zero points
for that race.

How do I implement that?

Thanks in advance!
Art

Art_Engel2 · 23 January 2012 01:16

I fear you missed the point of my posting.

We are using a high point system (our formula is: 1 + ((((s-p)+0.5)/s)*9). Each race is entered individually but all the races are scores as a series at the end. If a boat doesn't enter she gets 0 points -- normally she would be DNC because she didn't come out to the starting area. If a boat enters but doesn't come out to the starting area she gets 1 point -- this boat is also DNC but with a different score. I need to know how to implement that. [We award 1 point for entering to encourage boats to enter on the theory that if entered they are more likely to actually race.]

I am thinking maybe I need to create custom codes: DNCe for Did Not Come out, failed to Enter and DNCr for Did Not Come out, but entered the Race. But when I print or publish results I would want both to show as "DNC" rather than "DNCe" or "DNCr."

Art

···

On 1/22/2012 1:30 AM, George Morris wrote:

Hi Art,

I have just set up exactly what you are planning. The formula is S-P+1 (no of starters - position + 1). There is a tab which allows you to set DSQ,DNF etc as 1pt and DNC or DNS as 0. There are people on this forum who will tell you how to do it but for starters.i) open a file, ii) on the list of features on the left hand panel double click points system> high point formula. You should be able to work out the rest from there,

Rgds

George Morris
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Art Engel
   To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 2:29 AM
   Subject: [sailwave] Did Not Enter for a long series

   We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer series. We
   use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point,
   even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn't enter they get zero points
   for that race.

   How do I implement that?

   Thanks in advance!
   Art

Art_Engel2 · 29 January 2012 03:28

Still wondering how to do this!

···

On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:

We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer series. We
use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point,
even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn't enter they get zero points
for that race.

How do I implement that?

Thanks in advance!
Art

MalcolmO · 29 January 2012 05:05

Assuming you have set the scoring codes to `typical high point’
(click the hand symbol at lower end of window), set DSQ, DNS, OCS
etc. to 1, leave DNC 0 - edit the appropriate scoring codes.

···

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

Still wondering how to do this!
          On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:
          > We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long
summer series. We
> use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they
get one point,
> even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn’t enter
they get zero points
> for that race.
>
> How do I implement that?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Art

Art_Engel2 · 29 January 2012 05:42

So what would I score a boat that enters a race but doesn't come out to the starting area?

···

On 1/28/2012 9:05 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:

Assuming you have set the scoring codes to `typical high point' (click
the hand symbol at lower end of window), set DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. to 1,
leave DNC 0 - edit the appropriate scoring codes.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

On 2012/01/29 05:28, Art Engel wrote:

Still wondering how to do this!

On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:
> We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer series. We
> use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point,
> even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn't enter they get zero points
> for that race.
>
> How do I implement that?
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Art

MalcolmO · 29 January 2012 07:07

You could score it DNS, although thats not strictly in the meaning,
or create a new code (ENT ?) scored like DNF, DNS.

···

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

          So what would I score a boat that enters a race but
doesn’t come out to
the starting area?
          On 1/28/2012 9:05 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:
          > Assuming you have set the scoring codes to `typical
high point’ (click
> the hand symbol at lower end of window), set DSQ,
DNS, OCS etc. to 1,
> leave DNC 0 - edit the appropriate scoring codes.
>
> regards,
> Malcolm Osborne
> Sedgefield South Africa
>
>
> On 2012/01/29 05:28, Art Engel wrote:
>>
>> Still wondering how to do this!
>>
>> On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:
>> > We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for
our long summer series. We
>> > use a custom high point. If a boat enters a
race they get one point,
>> > even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn’t
enter they get zero points
>> > for that race.
>> >
>> > How do I implement that?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> > Art
>>
>>
>

mtownsend · 29 January 2012 11:25

Can you add an SI that states, “A competitor who enters their boat in the series shall be deemed to have come to the starting area for all races in that series.”

···

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: malcolmo@telkomsa.net
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:07:57 +0200
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Did Not Enter for a long series

You could score  it DNS, although thats not strictly in the meaning,

or create a new code (ENT ?) scored like DNF, DNS.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

On 2012/01/29 07:42, Art Engel wrote:

          So what would I score a boat that enters a race but
doesn’t come out to
the starting area?
          On 1/28/2012 9:05 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:
          > Assuming you have set the scoring codes to `typical
high point’ (click
> the hand symbol at lower end of window), set DSQ,
DNS, OCS etc. to 1,
> leave DNC 0 - edit the appropriate scoring codes.
>
> regards,
> Malcolm Osborne
> Sedgefield South Africa
>
>
> On 2012/01/29 05:28, Art Engel wrote:
>>
>> Still wondering how to do this!
>>
>> On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:
>> > We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for
our long summer series. We
>> > use a custom high point. If a boat enters a
race they get one point,
>> > even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn’t
enter they get zero points
>> > for that race.
>> >
>> > How do I implement that?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> > Art
>>
>>
>

Art_Engel2 · 29 January 2012 21:24

I think we would have to create a new code to be scored the same as DNC. Scoring DNS (or like DNF, DNS, etc.) would be a problem as our scoring system is based on the number of starters and that would muck up the formula. I was hoping there was a way to do this without having to create a new code, which requires amending rule A11 in the sailing instructions. But. I guess there isn't.

Also, we would have to explain the new code in the results, which you generally don't need to do with the standard codes.

Art

PS - 5 years ago A11 was a suggestion rather than a rule so you didn't have to formally amend it. Unfortunately, that is no longer true.

···

On 1/28/2012 11:07 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:

You could score it DNS, although thats not strictly in the meaning, or
create a new code (ENT ?) scored like DNF, DNS.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

On 2012/01/29 07:42, Art Engel wrote:

So what would I score a boat that enters a race but doesn't come out to
the starting area?

On 1/28/2012 9:05 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:
> Assuming you have set the scoring codes to `typical high point' (click
> the hand symbol at lower end of window), set DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. to 1,
> leave DNC 0 - edit the appropriate scoring codes.
>
> regards,
> Malcolm Osborne
> Sedgefield South Africa
>
> On 2012/01/29 05:28, Art Engel wrote:
>>
>> Still wondering how to do this!
>>
>> On 1/21/2012 6:29 PM, Art Engel wrote:
>> > We are thinking of switching to Sailwave for our long summer
series. We
>> > use a custom high point. If a boat enters a race they get one point,
>> > even if DSQ, DNS, OCS etc. If a boat doesn't enter they get zero
points
>> > for that race.
>> >
>> > How do I implement that?
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance!
>> > Art
>>
>