Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each race
of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series of
clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

We have the same situation and handled it without a problem. The sailnumber
wizard supports entering start/finish times. You only have to enter the
start time for the first boat in each fleet. It will remember the start time
for the remainder of the boats in that fleet. It knows which fleet each boat
is in of course. See http://www.bhyc.net/Results/2002%20Regatta.htm for
sample.

-Bill
BHYC

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From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@jafconsulting.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:45 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each race
of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series of
clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

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Further note that the start times are displayed in the fleet breakout
as this extract from the results shows:

Pos

** Boat
Name**

** Boat
Type**

** Sail
No**

Skipper

PHRF

Elapsed

Corrected

Ave Speed

Pts

** A Class

  • Distance: 21.1nm Start time: **11:35:00

1st

Tamarack

Dobroth 42

33674

Robert Kellog

60

03:35:59

03:14:53

5.862 kts

1

2nd

Synergy III

Concordia 47

51447

Byron Borst

-12

03:13:14

03:17:27

6.552 kts

2

** J-35 Class

  • Distance: 21.1nm Start time: **11:43:00

1st

Hawk

J/35

33569

J.H. Russell

72

03:42:06

03:16:47

5.7 kts

1

2nd

Cool Runnings

J/35

182

Jeff Bennert

72

03:45:31

03:20:12

5.614 kts

2

** B Class

  • Distance: 21.1nm Start time: **11:51:00

1st

Madcap

Dobroth 38

41039

Timothy Fabrizio

78

03:37:55

03:10:29

5.81 kts

1

-Bill

BHYC

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-----Original Message-----

From: Bill Hunt [mailto:webmaster@bhyc.net]

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:12 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

We have the same situation and handled it without a problem. The
sailnumber

wizard supports entering start/finish times. You only have to enter the

start time for the first boat in each fleet. It will remember the start
time

for the remainder of the boats in that fleet. It knows which fleet each
boat

is in of course. See http://www.bhyc.net/Results/2002%20Regatta.htm for

sample.

-Bill

BHYC

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From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@jafconsulting.freeserve.co.uk]

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:45 PM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if

you’ve now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be

able to input different start times for each fleet over for each race

of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute

intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely

separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering

results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series of

clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of

data entry system for the times and then feed the results into

Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn’t impossible but would be

tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

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Hi Jenny,

The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to using the
sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet and then
Sailwave will 'catch on' as to what's happening when using the sailnum
wizard.

However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and will add
a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a per
fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

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From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@jafconsulting.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each race
of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series of
clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

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Thanks for the help, but this is the REAL problem. There is only one
timer on any start boat and that is started at the FIRST fleet start.
The finish time from the clock which is entered on the timesheeet is
an elapsed time from that first start.

Therefore the REAL elapsed time for 2nd and subsequent fleets is
progressively 5, 10, 15 minutes etc less than the time on the finish
sheet. This does not matter if the fleet is a one-design class fleet
but can make significant differences for the PY handicap fleets.

What is needed is for the start time entered for a fleet to be able
to be flagged as an OFFSET from the first start, rather than an
absolute clock time, OR to be able to enter an offset for each fleet
in addition to its start time. Otherwise the poor folks entering the
data or taking the times on the water would have to know how many
minutes to deduct for a particular class and errors would be made.

We are talking about 400 results per day over a 5 day regatta to be
entered.

Sorry to re-state this Colin, I did ask about it last September or so

Jenny

Hi Jenny,

The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to

using the

sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet

and then

Sailwave will 'catch on' as to what's happening when using the

sailnum

wizard.

However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and

will add

a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a

per

fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@j…]
Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each

race

of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series

of

clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

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Hi Jenny,

We are talking about 400 results per day over a 5 day regatta to be

entered.
Sorry to re-state this Colin, I did ask about it last September or so<

OK I understand, others have said the same thing; I remember now. I'll sort
something out for beta5. I would like to then release 1.47 for real and
start of some of the bigger issues and collaborations. Unfortunately
because of my walk in the wilderness with Sailwave2 I'm about 6 months
behind... :frowning:

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

Hi Jenny,

The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to

using the

sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet

and then

Sailwave will 'catch on' as to what's happening when using the

sailnum

wizard.

However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and

will add

a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a

per

fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk...

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@j…]
Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each

race

of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series

of

clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
tedious.

Jenny Fletcher

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Jenny
can you not set the start time for Fleet 1 as 00.00.00, for Fleet 2 as
00.10.00.
Then enter the elapsed time as the Finish time. Sailwave will then do the
real elapsed time for you and apply the handicap for corrected time, or am I
over simplifying the problem
Regards
John

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From: "Jenny Fletcher" <jfletcher@jafconsulting.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:59 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Different fleet start times

Thanks for the help, but this is the REAL problem. There is only one
timer on any start boat and that is started at the FIRST fleet start.
The finish time from the clock which is entered on the timesheeet is
an elapsed time from that first start.

Therefore the REAL elapsed time for 2nd and subsequent fleets is
progressively 5, 10, 15 minutes etc less than the time on the finish
sheet. This does not matter if the fleet is a one-design class fleet
but can make significant differences for the PY handicap fleets.

What is needed is for the start time entered for a fleet to be able
to be flagged as an OFFSET from the first start, rather than an
absolute clock time, OR to be able to enter an offset for each fleet
in addition to its start time. Otherwise the poor folks entering the
data or taking the times on the water would have to know how many
minutes to deduct for a particular class and errors would be made.

We are talking about 400 results per day over a 5 day regatta to be
entered.

Sorry to re-state this Colin, I did ask about it last September or so

Jenny

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s…> wrote:
> Hi Jenny,
>
> The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to
using the
> sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet
and then
> Sailwave will 'catch on' as to what's happening when using the
sailnum
> wizard.
>
> However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and
will add
> a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a
per
> fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk…
>
> Regards,
> Colin J
> www.sailwave.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@j…]
> Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times
>
>
> Colin
>
> This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
> you've now included it, or are planning to shortly.
>
> One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
> able to input different start times for each fleet over for each
race
> of a series, such that they can then input all results together.
>
> Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
> intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.
>
> At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
> separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
> results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series
of
> clock times with all fleets mixed together.
>
> The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
> data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
> Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn't impossible but would be
> tedious.
>
> Jenny Fletcher
>
>
>
>
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Jenny

Your practice of only having one timer on your boat is a disaster waiting to happen. Should that watch fail or be reset by accident you will not have any results. Using the time of day is a much more reliable method and only requires that you synchronize your watches at the start of the days racing, then anyone and everyone who has a wrist watch can provide the time… With a single time piece taking times you also do not have a double checks to correct misreads of the stop watch etc…

I would strongly encourage you to use the time of day for your results. Sailwave does a great job of calculating elapsed time and it will prove to be less error prone in the long run.

Mark

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Date: Saturday, April 12, 2003 03:20:31 PM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Re: Different fleet start times

`Thanks for the help, but this is the REAL problem. There is only one
timer on any start boat and that is started at the FIRST fleet start.
The finish time from the clock which is entered on the timesheeet is
an elapsed time from that first start.

Therefore the REAL elapsed time for 2nd and subsequent fleets is
progressively 5, 10, 15 minutes etc less than the time on the finish
sheet. This does not matter if the fleet is a one-design class fleet
but can make significant differences for the PY handicap fleets.

What is needed is for the start time entered for a fleet to be able
to be flagged as an OFFSET from the first start, rather than an
absolute clock time, OR to be able to enter an offset for each fleet
in addition to its start time. Otherwise the poor folks entering the
data or taking the times on the water would have to know how many
minutes to deduct for a particular class and errors would be made.

We are talking about 400 results per day over a 5 day regatta to be
entered.

Sorry to re-state this Colin, I did ask about it last September or so

Jenny

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Hi Jenny,

The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to
using the
sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet
and then
Sailwave will ‘catch on’ as to what’s happening when using the
sailnum
wizard.

However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and
will add
a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a
per
fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk…

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

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From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@j…]
Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if
you’ve now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be
able to input different start times for each fleet over for each
race
of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute
intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely
separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering
results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series
of
clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of
data entry system for the times and then feed the results into
Sailwave as a csv file etc. This isn’t impossible but would be
tedious.

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As a suggestion we always use the GPS as our time piece and then set all
the watches on the course from it. Then if something goes wrong
(and it will) you have the satellites to use as back up.

Dave Sprague

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Jenny

Your practice of only having one timer on your boat is a disaster waiting
to happen. Should that watch fail or be reset by accident you will not
have any results. Using the time of day is a much more reliable method
and only requires that you synchronize your watches at the start of the
days racing, then anyone and everyone who has a wrist watch can provide
the time… With a single time piece taking times you also do not have a
double checks to correct misreads of the stop watch etc…

I would strongly encourage you to use the time of day for your results.
Sailwave does a great job of calculating elapsed time and it will prove
to be less error prone in the long run.

Mark

From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, April 12, 2003 03:20:31 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Different fleet start times

`Thanks for the help, but this is the REAL problem. There is only one

timer on any start boat and that is started at the FIRST fleet start.

The finish time from the clock which is entered on the timesheeet is

an elapsed time from that first start.

Therefore the REAL elapsed time for 2nd and subsequent fleets is

progressively 5, 10, 15 minutes etc less than the time on the finish

sheet. This does not matter if the fleet is a one-design class fleet

but can make significant differences for the PY handicap fleets.

What is needed is for the start time entered for a fleet to be able

to be flagged as an OFFSET from the first start, rather than an

absolute clock time, OR to be able to enter an offset for each fleet

in addition to its start time. Otherwise the poor folks entering the

data or taking the times on the water would have to know how many

minutes to deduct for a particular class and errors would be made.

We are talking about 400 results per day over a 5 day regatta to be

entered.

Sorry to re-state this Colin, I did ask about it last September or so

Jenny

Hi Jenny,

The way to do it as present is either what Bill said, or, prior to

using the

sail wizard, enter the start time for one (any) boat in each fleet

and then

Sailwave will ‘catch on’ as to what’s happening when using the

sailnum

wizard.

However, I realise that this is not obvious and a little clunky and

will add

a tool to actually set the start times for all boats in a race on a

per

fleet/class basis; as promised to a lot of folk…

Regards,

Colin J

www.sailwave.com

From: Jenny Fletcher [mailto:jfletcher@j…]

Sent: 10 April 2003 17:45

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Different fleet start times

Colin

This was something I was asking about last year, and not sure if

you’ve now included it, or are planning to shortly.

One organisation I know that would like to use Sailwave needs to be

able to input different start times for each fleet over for each

race

of a series, such that they can then input all results together.

Two start boats each control about 10 fleets starting at 5 minute

intervals and a further boat controls 3 fleets.

At present each fleet would have to be entered as a completely

separate event. This would vastly increase the time spent entering

results which come in from the committee boat/race box as a series

of

clock times with all fleets mixed together.

The only way around it at the moment would be to create some kind of

data entry system for the times and t


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At 03:15 PM 4/23/2003 -0700, Mark Townsend wrote:

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— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Colin Jenkins” <colin@s…> wrote:

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