Hello,
is there a way to let sailwave score DN-Iceboat races using the
lowpoint calculation for DN-iceboats which is a little bit different
from the ISAF Lowpoint scoring. Mainly the tie breaking is quite
different.
Hoping to get a solution,
Godie
Some options for tie breaking may be selected or de-selected when you activate this option in User Interface - Pro
But options are very limited, I already pointed out that a rule "break ties on race x, further on race y, then according to ISAF App 8.1 and 8.2" is not possible.
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "dnrace" <dnrace@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 2:47 PM
Subject: [sailwave] DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE
Hello,
is there a way to let sailwave score DN-Iceboat races using the
lowpoint calculation for DN-iceboats which is a little bit different
from the ISAF Lowpoint scoring. Mainly the tie breaking is quite
different.Hoping to get a solution,
Godie
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Hello Phil,
Some options for tie breaking may be selected or de-selected when you
activate this option in User Interface - Pro
I already noticed this.
But options are very limited, I already pointed out that a rule
"break ties
on race x, further on race y, then according to ISAF App 8.1 and
8.2" is not
possible.
That's a pity. We really need a good scoring program for the
international DN Iceboat Class which is the biggest around the world.
We now use the JavaScore Program but are not completely happy with this.
May it be possible to integrate our tie breaking in sailwave? It
differs not too much from the lowpoint ISAF rule. The lowpoint
calculation is the same, it's only the tie breaking.
The IDNIYRA (International DN Iceboat Yacht Racing Association) would
be very pleased to have it.
Regards, Godie
webmaster www.icesailing.org
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe De Troy" <philippe@...> wrote:
Just put a copy of your scoring rules for tie breaking in the group files (and activate the notice to the group), so the developpers can see if it can easily be included in Sailwave.
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "dnrace" <dnrace@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 10:35 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE
Hello Phil,
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe De Troy" <philippe@...> wrote:
Some options for tie breaking may be selected or de-selected when you
activate this option in User Interface - ProI already noticed this.
But options are very limited, I already pointed out that a rule
"break ties
on race x, further on race y, then according to ISAF App 8.1 and
8.2" is not
possible.
That's a pity. We really need a good scoring program for the
international DN Iceboat Class which is the biggest around the world.
We now use the JavaScore Program but are not completely happy with this.May it be possible to integrate our tie breaking in sailwave? It
differs not too much from the lowpoint ISAF rule. The lowpoint
calculation is the same, it's only the tie breaking.The IDNIYRA (International DN Iceboat Yacht Racing Association) would
be very pleased to have it.Regards, Godie
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Hi Godie,
That’s no problem. What are your timescales?
Regards
Colin Jenkins
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Hello Colin,
our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
scoring.
I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn't it?
But now the ties:
Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
*Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts)*.
This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
Regards from Germany, Godie
webmaster www.icesailing.org
The discard profile should be 0,0,0,0,1
Tie breaking:
The first rule is impossible to apply with 1.95 Build 6
The second one seems to be the same as App 8.2
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "dnrace" <dnrace@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE
Hello Colin,
our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
scoring.I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn't it?
But now the ties:
Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
*Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts)*.This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
Regards from Germany, Godie
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Godie,
I’ve been looking around the icesailing.org website and can’t find the right spot for your scoring rules. Would you please provide a direct link to the class rules regarding IDNIYRA lowpoint scoring?
Jamie Diamond
On 3/3/08, dnrace dnrace@yahoo.com wrote:
Hello Colin,
our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
scoring.I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn’t it?
But now the ties:
Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts).This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
Regards from Germany, Godie
webmaster www.icesailing.org
–
Best Regards,
Jamie Diamond
Hello Jamie, I already posted it to Colin (see below). Thats the 1 to
1 extract from the IDNIYRA-Lowpoint rules.
But if you want to see it in original look here:
http://www.icesailing.org/idniyra/bylaws.htm
and find the items 5a, 5b, 5c
Regards, godie
Godie,
I've been looking around the icesailing.org website and can't find
the right
spot for your scoring rules. Would you please provide a direct link
to the
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie Diamond" <sailorjamie@...> wrote:
class rules regarding IDNIYRA lowpoint scoring?
Jamie Diamond
On 3/3/08, dnrace <dnrace@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Colin,
> our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
> first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
> fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
> win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
> poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
> scoring.
>
> I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn't it?
>
> But now the ties:
> Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
> skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
> the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
> the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
> tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
> tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
> compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
> all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
> *Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
> DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts)*.
>
> This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
>
> Regards from Germany, Godie
>
> webmaster www.icesailing.org
>
>
>--
Best Regards,
Jamie Diamond
jamie.diamond@...
Hi Phil,
when you say, the first rule is impossible to apply, does this mean
that it would be impossible not at all or only in the moment and it
could be integrated in the next version?
Regards, Godie
The discard profile should be 0,0,0,0,1
Tie breaking:
The first rule is impossible to apply with 1.95 Build 6
The second one seems to be the same as App 8.2Phil
From: "dnrace" <dnrace@...>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE> Hello Colin,
> our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
> first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
> fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
> win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
> poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
> scoring.
>
> I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn't it?
>
> But now the ties:
> Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
> skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
> the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
> the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
> tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
> tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
> compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
> all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
> *Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
> DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts)*.
>
> This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
>
> Regards from Germany, Godie
>
> webmaster www.icesailing.org
>
>
>
> -!- http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/ -!- http://www.sailing.org/ -!-
> http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-
>
> Latest versions of sailwave can be downloaded from the 'files'
section at
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>
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>
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It is impossible in the present version 1.95 built 6
But I think the developpers are aware of the problem and there should be something about it in a next build.
There are three issues about tie breaking: yours, one of Huw Pearce about breaking on places and mine, about breaking on one or several races before applying ISAF App A8
In the mean time, I think you should train intensively with Sailwave to be ready to use it when the functionality will be included.
Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "dnrace" <dnrace@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE
Hi Phil,
when you say, the first rule is impossible to apply, does this mean
that it would be impossible not at all or only in the moment and it
could be integrated in the next version?Regards, Godie
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Philippe De Troy" <philippe@...> wrote:
The discard profile should be 0,0,0,0,1
Tie breaking:
The first rule is impossible to apply with 1.95 Build 6
The second one seems to be the same as App 8.2Phil
----- Original Message ----- From: "dnrace" <dnrace@...>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DN Iceboat Scoring with SAILWAVE> Hello Colin,
> our IDNIYRA-Lowpoint scoring is similar to the ISAF lowpoint scoring:
> first place, 1 point; second place, 2 points; third place, 3 points;
> fourth place, 4 points; fifth place, 5 points; etc. - lowest score to
> win. Throwouts: if 5 races are completed, the points for each yachts
> poorest race (including DNS, DNF and DSQ) will be eliminated from the
> scoring.
>
> I think this is covered by Sailwave. Isn't it?
>
> But now the ties:
> Ties will be broken by the following algorithm: If two or more
> skippers are tied for a position, the skipper who finished ahead of
> the other in the most races wins the tie. If the tie is not broken,
> the skipper who finished ahead of the other in the last race wins the
> tie. If necessary, the next to last race will be used to break the
> tie. If the tie is still not broken, the next previous race will be
> compared, and so on in reverse order. If the tie is not broken after
> all races are compared, it will be declared a tie.
> *Note: All races will be considered in breaking ties (including
> DNF,DSQ,DNC and any throwouts)*.
>
> This is not covered by Sailwave. But is there hope to get it work?
>
> Regards from Germany, Godie
>
> webmaster www.icesailing.org
>
> -!- http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/ -!- http://www.sailing.org/ -!-
> http://www.sailwave.com/ -!-
>
> Latest versions of sailwave can be downloaded from the 'files'section at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/
>
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