How can I get a DNC value to designate Do Not Count. Our scoring
system does not penalize if a skipper missing a weekend. We use a
low point system 1,2,3,...,n of boats on the line.
Thanks!
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
How can I get a DNC value to designate Do Not Count. Our scoring
system does not penalize if a skipper missing a weekend. We use a
low point system 1,2,3,...,n of boats on the line.
You could model that by setting DCN = 0 points, but it implies you could
turn up and do one race and then not do any other races to win a series so
I'm not sure that I've understood you correctly... 
Regards,
Colin
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Colin,
We have 12 races in a series with 6 required to qualify. Up to three
races can be thrown out, however one must still have six races. We
average the results of races.
Setting DCN=0 registers a 0 for that race. The resultant score is
then averaged to be lower than 1 in some cases. Our abolute best
score for sailing in 6 of 12 races and winning them all is a 1 (ave)
Settings are as follows:
Discard profile: 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3,3,3
Qualification profile: r/2
Thanks for your assistance,
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
You could model that by setting DCN = 0 points, but it implies you
could
turn up and do one race and then not do any other races to win a
series so
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Hi Patrick,
We have 12 races in a series with 6 required to qualify. Up to three
races can be thrown out, however one must still have six races. We
average the results of races.Setting DNC=0 registers a 0 for that race. The resultant score is
then averaged to be lower than 1 in some cases. Our abolute best
score for sailing in 6 of 12 races and winning them all is a 1 (ave)Settings are as follows:
Discard profile: 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3,3,3
Qualification profile: r/2Thanks for your assistance,
If you set DNC = average of non-discarded races it should work the way you
want - I think - because if your average is N and then you have M other
results of N (the DNCs) the average of them all is still N. So giving DNC a
value of the non-discarded average is the same as skipping them...
If that's not the case - can you post an example series...
Regards,
Colin
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Here is the current tally. D is DNC the number after is the ave.
Setting DNC to ave raced works for our purposes.
Issue #2: For example, Patriot actually raced 7 of the 12 races.
They are allowed 1 throwout. The program throws out three races. My
discard throwout profile is 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3,3,3. Is there a
better format?
1st,Patriot,D1,D1,D1,1,1,(2),(3),1,1,D1,(2),1,
2nd,Frequent Flyer,1,1,D1.2,(7),(2),1,(5),D1.2,D1.2,2,1,1.200,
3rd,Hawk,2,2,1,(4),(3),D2,D2,2,3,(4),D2,2,
4th,Capricious,3,(4),D2.8,3,(4),(4),1,3,4,D2.8,D2.8,2.800,
5th,Rozinante,4,(6),3,(6),5,(6),4,4,2,3,3,3.500,
6th,Airlift,(6),3,D3.571,5,(6),3,2,(7),6,1,5,3.571,
7th,Up Beat,D4,5,2,2,(7),5,(6),5,5,(7),4,4,
8th,Drift Away,5,(8),D6.2,(8),(9),7,D6.2,6,D6.2,5,8,6.200,
9th,Fast Break,D6.4,7,4,D6.4,D6.4,(9),7,(8),7,(8),7,6.400,
10th,Excel,D6.667,D6.667,D6.667,(9),(8),
(8),8,D6.667,D6.667,6,6,6.667,
If you set DNC = average of non-discarded races it should work the
way you
want - I think - because if your average is N and then you have M
other
results of N (the DNCs) the average of them all is still N. So
giving DNC a
value of the non-discarded average is the same as skipping them...
If that's not the case - can you post an example series...
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
Regards,
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
I can't think of a way to do that at present. Can you explain why you
ignore DNCs - not come across that before... For example if you set DCN to
the RRS long series value = number of boats that came to start area for race
+ 1 and not do the average - do you get radically different results...?
Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com
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Sent: 05 August 2003 14:19
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DNC = Do Not CountHere is the current tally. D is DNC the number after is the ave.
Setting DNC to ave raced works for our purposes.Issue #2: For example, Patriot actually raced 7 of the 12 races.
They are allowed 1 throwout. The program throws out three races. My
discard throwout profile is 0,0,0,0,0,0,1,2,3,3,3,3. Is there a
better format?1st,Patriot,D1,D1,D1,1,1,(2),(3),1,1,D1,(2),1,
2nd,Frequent Flyer,1,1,D1.2,(7),(2),1,(5),D1.2,D1.2,2,1,1.200,
3rd,Hawk,2,2,1,(4),(3),D2,D2,2,3,(4),D2,2,
4th,Capricious,3,(4),D2.8,3,(4),(4),1,3,4,D2.8,D2.8,2.800,
5th,Rozinante,4,(6),3,(6),5,(6),4,4,2,3,3,3.500,
6th,Airlift,(6),3,D3.571,5,(6),3,2,(7),6,1,5,3.571,
7th,Up Beat,D4,5,2,2,(7),5,(6),5,5,(7),4,4,
8th,Drift Away,5,(8),D6.2,(8),(9),7,D6.2,6,D6.2,5,8,6.200,
9th,Fast Break,D6.4,7,4,D6.4,D6.4,(9),7,(8),7,(8),7,6.400,
10th,Excel,D6.667,D6.667,D6.667,(9),(8),
(8),8,D6.667,D6.667,6,6,6.667,> If you set DNC = average of non-discarded races it should work the
way you
> want - I think - because if your average is N and then you have M
other
> results of N (the DNCs) the average of them all is still N. So
giving DNC a
> value of the non-discarded average is the same as skipping them...
>
> If that's not the case - can you post an example series...
>
> Regards,
> Colin
> www.sailwave.com
>Regards,
Patrick
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Here are our race instructions. They have not been updated in quite
some time but seem to work for our club level racing. We don't
penalize a skipper for not coming out for all 24 scheduled summer
races (2 12 race series). The current method of DNC valuation tends
to focus more on the regatta format and shorter series than our
weekly racing.
16. Scoring
16.1 Points will be awarded for race standings on the basis of 1 for
first, 2 for second, 3 for third, etc.
16.2 A yacht which starts a race but does not finish (DNF) will be
assigned points equal to the number of yachts starting the race in
her fleet.
16.3 A yacht which is disqualified (DSQ) will be assigned points
equal to one more than the number of yachts starting the race in her
fleet.
16.4 Fleet standings for each series within each of the fleets will
be established by the average points of yacht-owner or yacht-skipper
in all races in which that yacht received points.
16.5 A yacht may elect to "throw out" or not count her points from up
to three (3) races in the series by notifying the Handicap Committee
in writing no later than seven (7) days after the last race of the
series. As a condition of exercising the rule, the yacht must have
received points in seven (7) races in the series, and may not throw
out any score which will result in counting points from less than six
(6) races in a series.
16.6 Fleet standing for the season within each of the fleets will be
established by averaging the average finish points of a yacht-owner
or yacht-skipper in each of the two series. To qualify for the
season, a yacht-owner or yacht-skipper must race both series in the
same fleet.
16.7 Ties shall be broken by the result of the races sailed against
each other by determining which yacht beat the other the most number
of times. If a tie still remains, the winner of the last race between
the yachts will win.
16.8 Any combined races with other fleets shall not be counted for
purposes of determining Fleet standing.
Patrick
Hi Patrick,
I can't think of a way to do that at present. Can you explain why
you
ignore DNCs - not come across that before... For example if you
set DCN to
the RRS long series value = number of boats that came to start area
for race
+ 1 and not do the average - do you get radically different
results...?
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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
FWIW: We have a similar series at BHYC, this year we have switched to high
point scoring, but last year we were similar to yours. See
http://www.bhyc.net/Results/2002%20Tuesday%20Series.htm for example. We had
29 races, 14 race scores could be dropped. Dropped races are selected
automatically. (Why would the competitors need to specify which races?) We
scored DNC as # of Entrants in Series +1. As you can see from the results it
seemed to work fine. Note also that if you used average scores, the results
come out exactly the same.
We switched this year to Rinderle B high point scoring for the long series.
I just received the result sheets for the series to date, so an example of
that should be available tomorrow.
-Bill Hunt
Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club
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From: jetta75 [mailto:pgudat@mathware.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:42 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: DNC = Do Not Count
Here are our race instructions. They have not been updated in quite
some time but seem to work for our club level racing. We don't
penalize a skipper for not coming out for all 24 scheduled summer
races (2 12 race series). The current method of DNC valuation tends
to focus more on the regatta format and shorter series than our
weekly racing.
16. Scoring
16.1 Points will be awarded for race standings on the basis of 1 for
first, 2 for second, 3 for third, etc.
16.2 A yacht which starts a race but does not finish (DNF) will be
assigned points equal to the number of yachts starting the race in
her fleet.
16.3 A yacht which is disqualified (DSQ) will be assigned points
equal to one more than the number of yachts starting the race in her
fleet.
16.4 Fleet standings for each series within each of the fleets will
be established by the average points of yacht-owner or yacht-skipper
in all races in which that yacht received points.
16.5 A yacht may elect to "throw out" or not count her points from up
to three (3) races in the series by notifying the Handicap Committee
in writing no later than seven (7) days after the last race of the
series. As a condition of exercising the rule, the yacht must have
received points in seven (7) races in the series, and may not throw
out any score which will result in counting points from less than six
(6) races in a series.
16.6 Fleet standing for the season within each of the fleets will be
established by averaging the average finish points of a yacht-owner
or yacht-skipper in each of the two series. To qualify for the
season, a yacht-owner or yacht-skipper must race both series in the
same fleet.
16.7 Ties shall be broken by the result of the races sailed against
each other by determining which yacht beat the other the most number
of times. If a tie still remains, the winner of the last race between
the yachts will win.
16.8 Any combined races with other fleets shall not be counted for
purposes of determining Fleet standing.
Patrick
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Hi Patrick,
I can't think of a way to do that at present. Can you explain why
you
ignore DNCs - not come across that before... For example if you
set DCN to
the RRS long series value = number of boats that came to start area
for race
+ 1 and not do the average - do you get radically different
results...?
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Its not easy making changes to rules in our fleet. Pride of
ownership is difficult to overcome, especially for a junior
member. I do believe that we need to change the scoring to
encourage participation without requiring the fleet champion to never
see his/her family on every Saturday.
I believe the specification of races comes into play where a skipper
has 1 throwout and two identical scores. Our tiebreakers are based
on post discard results. Therefore I may elect to discard a specific
race to be ahead in a tie break.
Regardless, I've gotten the program to generate good scores but the
discards are fleet based, not boat based. Can that be changed?
Patrick
FWIW: We have a similar series at BHYC, this year we have switched
to high
point scoring, but last year we were similar to yours. See
http://www.bhyc.net/Results/2002%20Tuesday%20Series.htm for
example. We had
29 races, 14 race scores could be dropped. Dropped races are
selected
automatically. (Why would the competitors need to specify which
races?) We
scored DNC as # of Entrants in Series +1. As you can see from the
results it
seemed to work fine. Note also that if you used average scores, the
results
come out exactly the same.
We switched this year to Rinderle B high point scoring for the long
series.
I just received the result sheets for the series to date, so an
example of
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that should be available tomorrow.
-Bill Hunt
Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club
So if the skipper only sails one race, which they win then their series
score will be one point? Even though other people are counting many more
races?
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, August 04, 2003 04:02:02 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] DNC = Do Not Count
How can I get a DNC value to designate Do Not Count. Our scoring
system does not penalize if a skipper missing a weekend. We use a
low point system 1,2,3,...,n of boats on the line.
Thanks!
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Not at all. We have a 6 race minimum on a 12 race series. 2 series
per season. It appears either we need to update our scoring method
or use other software. This issue as well as not having boat based
throwouts (currently race based) are the killers. I was hoping...
Patrick
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So if the skipper only sails one race, which they win then their
series
score will be one point? Even though other people are counting many
more
races?
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Date: Monday, August 04, 2003 04:02:02 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] DNC = Do Not CountHow can I get a DNC value to designate Do Not Count. Our scoring
system does not penalize if a skipper missing a weekend. We use a
low point system 1,2,3,...,n of boats on the line.Thanks!
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We use a similar scoring system for our two series (see post #2121).
I made a spreadsheet that does it fairly quickly (after the initial
series setup) but it is not user friendly -- a prospect which makes
me a perpetual race committee chairman -- I was eaully hoping ...
Not at all. We have a 6 race minimum on a 12 race series. 2
series
per season. It appears either we need to update our scoring method
or use other software. This issue as well as not having boat based
throwouts (currently race based) are the killers. I was hoping...Patrick
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> So if the skipper only sails one race, which they win then their
series
> score will be one point? Even though other people are counting
many
more
> races?
>
>
> From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, August 04, 2003 04:02:02 PM
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [sailwave] DNC = Do Not Count
>
> How can I get a DNC value to designate Do Not Count. Our scoring
> system does not penalize if a skipper missing a weekend. We use
a
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Patrick,
Regardless, I've gotten the program to generate good scores but the
discards are fleet based, not boat based. Can that be changed?
These is no way to do cmpetitor based discards; currently the discards are
calculated on the number of races sailed which translates to the number of
races sailed by any one competitor. Since this requirements has cropped up
more then once now I will add competitor based discards; it should be
easy-ish.
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Hi,
We use a similar scoring system for our two series (see post #2121).
I made a spreadsheet that does it fairly quickly (after the initial
series setup) but it is not user friendly -- a prospect which makes
me a perpetual race committee chairman -- I was eaully hoping ...
I have agreeed with Patrick to add competitor based discards.
Regards,
Colin
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