Hi is there a way to exclude competitors from single races in a series?
The reason I ask is that our club allows competitors to participate in single races during our club Wednesday series event; however when I add them to Sailwave it changes the total number of competitors fro all races, which screws up scoring for DNC boats for all races.
Our club does not have any specific rule pertaining to qualification for the series so I can’t use this function.
Basically what I want to do is allow Sailwave to score the single races as if there are a different total number of competitors than other races. Can it do this?
Thanks.
So if it is a series and someone does not race what score are you going to give them for the race they didn’t take part in? If it is 0 then that is better than coming first (assuming standard low point scoring)!
Could you expand upon how you see it working? You could make DNC score the number of boats that came to the start area as below.
Don’t forget to change other codes such as DNF and DSQ as well
It will depend on what is written in the NOR and SI’s
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 August 2014 14:56, cs_winn@yahoo.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi is there a way to exclude competitors from single races in a series?
The reason I ask is that our club allows competitors to participate in single races during our club Wednesday series event; however when I add them to Sailwave it changes the total number of competitors fro all races, which screws up scoring for DNC boats for all races.
Our club does not have any specific rule pertaining to qualification for the series so I can’t use this function.
Basically what I want to do is allow Sailwave to score the single races as if there are a different total number of competitors than other races. Can it do this?
Thanks.
Hi Jon, well that’s the problem I guess. Our SI states that DNC “will be scored one more than the number of boats registered in their division”.
The issue is the word “registered” since while I think it mas meant to mean “the number of boats registered for the season series”, our club does allow boats to participate in the series on a race by race basis, paying a fee for each race. So for example in addition to the 18 or so regular registrants, we have two boats this year: one who has participated in one race and one that has participated in 2 races.
Our SI does not stipulate whether these “race by race” boats should be counted as one of the “boats registered in their division” and I’m therefore unsure how to deal with them, since by entering the boat in sailwave for the one race, it now counts that boat as being “registered” for all races in the series, even though they weren’t.
So for example if there are 6 regularly registered boats in the series, a DNC will be scored as 7 points as per our SI. But with the addition of these two “race by race” boats, a DNC is now scored as 9 points for the entire season, even though these boats weren’t registered for all those races.
Make sense? Maybe I’m splitting hairs too fine here…
Possibly your best option is to use the DNC as the number of boats in the Race as per ISAF Appendix A long series
see below
If you go to the Edit Scoring System and select the scoring codes there is a hand icon at the bottom
Click this and select ISAF Appendix A long series and this will pre-set most of the codes for you.
You can still manually edit them if they not exactly as you require but it is the SI’s which specify what should be used. Sailwave can be configured to do most things
Hope this helps
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 August 2014 16:35, cs_winn@yahoo.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon, well that’s the problem I guess. Our SI states that DNC “will be scored one more than the number of boats registered in their division”.
The issue is the word “registered” since while I think it mas meant to mean “the number of boats registered for the season series”, our club does allow boats to participate in the series on a race by race basis, paying a fee for each race. So for example in addition to the 18 or so regular registrants, we have two boats this year: one who has participated in one race and one that has participated in 2 races.
Our SI does not stipulate whether these “race by race” boats should be counted as one of the “boats registered in their division” and I’m therefore unsure how to deal with them, since by entering the boat in sailwave for the one race, it now counts that boat as being “registered” for all races in the series, even though they weren’t.
So for example if there are 6 regularly registered boats in the series, a DNC will be scored as 7 points as per our SI. But with the addition of these two “race by race” boats, a DNC is now scored as 9 points for the entire season, even though these boats weren’t registered for all those races.
Make sense? Maybe I’m splitting hairs too fine here…
Don’t know if this helps, but you could change DNC to be 1plus the number of starters in a race. Similar for other penalties, if that is what your SI say.
Norm
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On Aug 8, 2014, at 6:56 AM, “cs_winn@yahoo.co.uk [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi is there a way to exclude competitors from single races in a series?
The reason I ask is that our club allows competitors to participate in single races during our club Wednesday series event; however when I add them to Sailwave it changes the total number of competitors fro all races, which screws up scoring for DNC boats for all races.
Our club does not have any specific rule pertaining to qualification for the series so I can’t use this function.
Basically what I want to do is allow Sailwave to score the single races as if there are a different total number of competitors than other races. Can it do this?
Thanks.
We do the same thing as you for a number of our series (enter race by
race). Below is another option, which might be more complete for your
purposes.
We create a two DNC codes. A standard DNC for series scoring, equal to
the number of boats that ranked as competitors in the race, i.e., came
to the start area (Sailwave uses "r" for this). We hide DNCs when
publishing race results so the only boats shown are those that actually
entered. [Sailwave automatically assigns "DNC" to boats that don't have
a finish time, position or scoring code. So, you only have to deal with
the boats that actually enter.]
Then, we have a second DNC-type code (say DNCr) for a boat that entered
a race but then didn't come out. That way these boats show up in the
race results for all races that they entered but not in races that they
didn't enter (when they would be scored as DNC instead of DNCr).
I won't go into assigning scores on the theory that you can do that but
you'll have to decide what points to assign to each boat. Rule A9 gives
default scoring for a series longer than a regatta (more than a single
weekend or otherwise continuous days of racing). This applies whether or
not you are using the default Low Point System. However, the Low Point
System is generally acknowledged to be inappropriate for a long series
of races. So, often clubs use one of the many high-point systems for a
long series of races as some of them are generally much fairer.
If you scored all DNC boats as "DNC" the points would be correct at the
end of the series. But, you'd have boats showing as "DNC" in the
individual race results when they didn't even enter the race. That seems
contrary to common sense and tends to confuse competitors and is why we
use the double-level DNC codes. We actually go one step further and
process the HTML code coming out of Sailwave so all "DNCr" scoring codes
are converted to "DNC." I personally prefer the double-level DNC codes
as providing more information but I'd say it is 6 of one versus a
half-dozen of the other.
Art
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On 8/8/2014 10:04 AM, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] wrote:
Possibly your best option is to use the DNC as the number of boats in the
Race as per ISAF Appendix A long series
see below
If you go to the Edit Scoring System and select the scoring codes there is
a hand icon at the bottom
Click this and select ISAF Appendix A long series and this will pre-set
most of the codes for you.
You can still manually edit them if they not exactly as you require but it
is the SI's which specify what should be used. Sailwave can be configured
to do most things
Hope this helps
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 August 2014 16:35, cs_winn@yahoo.co.uk [sailwave] < > sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, well that's the problem I guess. Our SI states that DNC "will be
scored one more than the number of boats registered in their division".
The issue is the word "registered" since while I think it mas meant to
mean "the number of boats registered for the season series", our club does
allow boats to participate in the series on a race by race basis, paying a
fee for each race. So for example in addition to the 18 or so regular
registrants, we have two boats this year: one who has participated in one
race and one that has participated in 2 races.
Our SI does not stipulate whether these "race by race" boats should be
counted as one of the "boats registered in their division" and I'm
therefore unsure how to deal with them, since by entering the boat in
sailwave for the one race, it now counts that boat as being "registered"
for all races in the series, even though they weren't.
So for example if there are 6 regularly registered boats in the series, a
DNC will be scored as 7 points as per our SI. But with the addition of
these two "race by race" boats, a DNC is now scored as 9 points for the
entire season, even though these boats weren't registered for all those
races.
Make sense? Maybe I'm splitting hairs too fine here...