Flighted series - more publishing oddities

James_Lavery1 · 6 September 2008 06:13

Hi all,

I've just noticed that if I print a full set of results - i.e. 'Series
Summary Table' and 'Individual Races', the individual race tables are
sorted by the sailor's final rank, rather than the sailor's position
within that race.

Any thoughts?

Running 1.95 build 11.

James_Lavery · 9 September 2008 23:12

Forgot to say that I'm using flights with Appendix LE Addendum C.

Hi all,

I've just noticed that if I print a full set of results -

i.e. 'Series

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "James Lavery" <jlavery@...> wrote:

Summary Table' and 'Individual Races', the individual race tables are
sorted by the sailor's final rank, rather than the sailor's position
within that race.

Any thoughts?

Running 1.95 build 11.

James_Lavery · 10 September 2008 09:08

I'm continuing my trials with the hope of using Sailwave for the major
Optimist events, but am having fundamental problems with publishing.

My current trials reveal that selecting "Individual Race" on the
publishing has two problems:

1. Results are not printed in the correct order (even if I sort the
results by the appropriate race in Sailwave first).

2. It is not possible to split out the starts for the race.

Point 2 is is essential, as it is how the competitors perceive the race -
i.e. "Where did I come in the race (my start), and are the results
correct?".

I'm really keen to use Sailwave for the events, but am currently
struggling to see how to make it work!

I'm happy to submit my .blw file, so others can see how I've (probably
incorrectly) set the series up.

James

ColinJenkins · 10 September 2008 09:18

James, can you send me your file please -

and detail your problems, thanks. Sailwave should
be able to cope as it has been used for large flighted events - but I
may well have broken it in the meantime…
Colin J
Sailwave

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James_Lavery · 10 September 2008 09:24

Hi Colin,
Thanks - will do so this evening.

Regards,

James

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James, can you send me your file please - colin@sailwave.com - and
detail your problems, thanks. Sailwave should be able to cope as it
has been used for large flighted events - but I may well have broken
it in the meantime...

Colin J
Sailwave

James Lavery wrote: I'm continuing my trials with the hope of using
Sailwave for the major Optimist events, but am having fundamental
problems with publishing. My current trials reveal that selecting
"Individual Race" on the publishing has two problems: 1. Results are not
printed in the correct order (even if I sort the results by the
appropriate race in Sailwave first). 2. It is not possible to split out
the starts for the race. Point 2 is is essential, as it is how the
competitors perceive the race - i.e. "Where did I come in the race (my
start), and are the results correct?". I'm really keen to use Sailwave
for the events, but am currently struggling to see how to make it work!
I'm happy to submit my .blw file, so others can see how I've (probably
incorrectly) set the series up. James
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RalphT · 10 September 2008 09:36

Hi Colin

I think this has always been a problem for ‘round robin’ racing

When there are 4 fleets/flights & eg red starts with yellow & blue starts with white the results appear as Y 1, R 2, R 3, Y 4 etc etc

When sorting by the race, the sorting criteria will always sort on the alpha character then the number.

This produces a ‘race result’ in SW in the order of B finishes, R finishes, W finishes and finally Y finishes

When the whole issue of flights was added to SW, you based it on Appendix LE AddC and it was only later that round robin racing was raised as a problem

If racing was AddC then the results would come out correctly in ‘race order’

There is a problem that sometimes SW flights scoring (based on AddC) is being used for Round Robin when the two types of racing have significant differences re scoring

I had a look at exporting to a spreadsheet & sorting the data but it is a real pain

Having run round robin races with Toppers, I have never had a problem with not having the results in start order

If there are queries, they are usually resolved fairly quickly by looking at the manual results sheets from the committee boat

In an ideal world however, it would be great if you could provide the solution that James & others have asked for but not sure how difficult it would be, suspect it could be quite involved

Hope this helps

Regards

Ralph

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James, can you send me your file please - colin@sailwave.com - and detail your problems, thanks. Sailwave should be able to cope as it has been used for large flighted events - but I may well have broken it in the meantime…

Colin J
Sailwave

James Lavery wrote:


I'm continuing my trials with the hope of using Sailwave for the major
Optimist events, but am having fundamental problems with publishing.
My current trials reveal that selecting "Individual Race" on the
publishing has two problems:
1. Results are not printed in the correct order (even if I sort the
results by the appropriate race in Sailwave first).
2. It is not possible to split out the starts for the race.
Point 2 is is essential, as it is how the competitors perceive the race -
i.e. "Where did I come in the race (my start), and are the results
correct?".
I'm really keen to use Sailwave for the events, but am currently
struggling to see how to make it work!
I'm happy to submit my .blw file, so others can see how I've (probably
incorrectly) set the series up.
James
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Anders · 10 September 2008 10:09

Depending how the setup is. But if one flight is one start then you
can score by flights.

eg:
start1 = red
start2 = blue
start3 = white
start4 = green

To Colin: It would be great if it was possible to "score by start" for
individual race tables.

Regards
Anders Landenstad

James_Lavery · 10 September 2008 10:11

Hi Anders,
Thanks - but we have 2 flights in each start.

We run what is - in effect - a round-robin where the flights in each
start change with each race.

James

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Depending how the setup is. But if one flight is one start then you
can score by flights.

eg:
start1 = red
start2 = blue
start3 = white
start4 = green

To Colin: It would be great if it was possible to "score by start" for
individual race tables.

Regards
Anders Landenstad

Anders · 10 September 2008 10:21

Yes, thats the most common here in Sweden too. But we just
present "per race results" with two first places etc....

Regards
Anders Landenstad

Hi Anders,
Thanks - but we have 2 flights in each start.

We run what is - in effect - a round-robin where the flights in

each

start change with each race.

James

> Depending how the setup is. But if one flight is one start then

you

> can score by flights.
>
> eg:
> start1 = red
> start2 = blue
> start3 = white
> start4 = green
>
> To Colin: It would be great if it was possible to "score by

start" for

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "James Lavery" <jgl@...> wrote:

> individual race tables.
>
>
> Regards
> Anders Landenstad
>
>
>

mtownsend · 13 September 2008 18:24

We have the same problem at Alamitos Bay YC. We run round robin flight series for Naples Sabots, Lasers, etc. We change which flight pairing each race. red vs yellow in race 1, red vs green in race 2 etc. The individual race results don’t display correctly so we only ever print and show the overall results.

If it could be fixed so it correctly displayed the results when the flight pairings constantly change it would be nice.

Thanks

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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Subject: RE: [sailwave] Flighted series - how to print individual start results?