Mark
I would agree with that logic.
The problem comes when we have different requirements between Qualification & Finals with both being
required in the same file if both Qual & Finals races are counted towards overall regatta.
Also when red, blue needs to be changed to Gold, Silver etc
Will be interesting to see what Colin comes up with re making Sailwave do everything for us so that
all we have to do is switch on the computer & double click on the Sailwave icon then go to the bar &
watch the day's racing 
Regards
Ralph
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Townsend [mailto:s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 May 2005 15:48
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] flights and ties
One other comment that came up after I sent the last e-mail. In most
qualification series we do not break ties. The top xx boats plus ties (tie
being boast with the same score) qualify for gold.
Mark Townsend
s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com
----Original Message Follows----
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [sailwave] flights and ties
Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 08:44:27 +0100
Hi Mark,
Thanks very must for that; I appreciate it.
I've added two code methods that are based on the maximum start size in the
series:-
http://www.sailwave.com/stuff/Clip6.jpg
And added a flight reset button.
http://www.sailwave.com/stuff/Clip4.jpg
Like all code methods, Sailwave implicitly handles scoring all boats
included in teh series and scoring by field.
Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Townsend
> Sent: 17 May 2005 17:21
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com; colin@sailwave.com
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] flights and ties
>
>
> Colin,
>
> I spent some considerable time discussing the flight issue with
> one of our
> club scoring gurus, who has scored many qualification series over
> the years
> involving everything from Naples Sabots to Tornado Cats.
>
>
> Other than a few class restrictions (such as Snipe scoring which
> bases codes
> on starters, finishers and entrants depending upon which penalty is being
> considered), DNF, DNS, RAF, DNC, OCS, DNC all score as the
> number of boats
> entered in the series plus 1. The interpretation of this for flights is
> that it is the number of possible entrants in a race plus 1. So
> given four
> flights red, green, blue and orange with red and green having
> eleven boats
> and blue and orange having ten boats. When blue sails against orange the
> maximum # which could sail in that race is 20 plus 1=21; when red sails
> against green it's 22 plus 1= 23 or when red sails against blue
> it's 21 plus
> 1=22. This goes for DNF, DNS, RAF (retired after finishing), DNC and
OCS.
>
>
> For ZFP (Z flag penalty): (c) The boat's penalty score shall be the score
> for the place worse than her actual finishing place by the number
> of places
> stated in the sailing instructions, except that she shall not be scored
> worse than Did Not Finish. When the sailing instructions do not state the
> number of places, the number shall be the whole number (rounding
> 0.5 upward)
> nearest to 20% of the number of boats entered. The scores of other boats
> shall not be changed; therefore, two boats may receive the same
> score. The
> interpretation, again, is that you would use the second definition and it
> would be 20% of the possible # of boats that could sail in that
> particular
> flight race and round 0.5 upward.
>
>
> You would need an SI that states: "For flight scoring only, a
> DNF, DNS, RAF,
> DNC, OCS ,and DNC score will be the highest possible number of
> entrants in
> any two flights plus 1; ZFP will be 20% of the the highest
> possible number
> of entrants in any two flights (rounding 0.5 upward)."
>
>
> To ensure that it works for everyone could you set up an option
> tab in the
> scoring section that allows you to pick a way of calculating the
> number of
> entrants or setting it as an integer.
>
> 1) # entrants = total entries in all flights
> 2) # entrants = maximum entries in a race
> 3) # entrants = manual setting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Townsend
> s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
> Reply-To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [sailwave] flights and ties
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 07:37:50 +0100
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> > You should score the flight racing the same as a normal race
> in terms of
> > ties, redress etc.
>
> Thanks Mark. What's your experience with DNF/RAF etc. Using the
> usual rules
> a start containing 2 10 boat flights will have a points awarded between 1
> and 10 but DNF shoots up to 21... This is what Sailwave does now, but it
> seems like:-
>
> Points for ("biggest start in the series" + 1)
>
> and
>
> Points for ("Size of N biggest flights where N is the max number of
> flights in any one start" + 1)
>
>
> etc is more reasonable...
>
> Anders' what was your erequirement; I can't remember...
>
> Regards,
> Colin
> www.sailwave.com
>
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