I have just spoken to John & the Laser Worlds SIs are written around Appendix LE 2005 version which had the option of limiting discards in the Finals
Jeff Martin has asked if NZ can look at SW for the Radial event as the Laser Class would like to use SW as an option for their International events
The Laser Class Association have not changed their SIs to conform with AppLE 2006 & John obviously does not have an option to make such changes.
The problem is that Colin made a number of changes to SW to meet AppLE 2005 so I cannot understand why it does not work
I will try & spend some time going back through my files/emails to see if I can spot anything to help with the preparation for the Radial Worlds
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From: pmbutterfield@msn.com [mailto:pmbutterfield@msn.com]
Sent: 07 February 2008 23:22
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
john@bullot.org
Subject: Re: [sailwave] FW: Sailwave - Qual & Finals Problem - Laser Events
I cannot see where there is a restriction on the discarding of Final series races, and the final races do not seem to be used for tie breaking purposes.
This just requires a standard discard profile and a change to the file on the qualifying and final series so there is no override.
This does not solve the problem with the Worlds though.
here there has been a divergence from appendix LE, and I do not believe sailwave can cope with it easily.
I do not believe sailwave can do 21.4(b) this is too complex for what is in sailwave.
Had it said there would be one discard from the final series and one from qualifying, you could have scored as separate series and aggregated the scores, and this would have worked fine. There is a note in sailwave to this effect.
The ability to have 2 discards in the Qualifying ruins this though.
Moral stick closely to LE which was considered when sailwave was written.
There looks as though there will have to be a manual element in the scoring.
Mike
From: Huw Pearce
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:33 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Cc: john@bullot.org
Subject: RE: [sailwave] FW: Sailwave - Qual & Finals Problem - Laser Events
Ralph & John,
I think I may have spotted another error in the scoring. If you look at the 7th, 17th place overall in the Gold Fleet the 2 discards are from the Q-Series, if I have understood it that there should be one discard form the final series. But the SI’s only say there shall be discards after certain number of races in total not that there shall be a discard from the Q-series and a discard from the F-Series. John was an amendment posted to clarify this point by the Jury?
FYI - I downloaded the NoR & SI from http://www.nzlaser.org/natslinkpage.htm
Kind regards,
Huw
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From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of** Ralph Tingle
Sent: 07 February 2008 20:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave] FW: Sailwave - Qual & Finals Problem - Laser Events
Has anyone used SW for a Laser Event using Laser standard SIs with Qualification & Finals elements to it.
Below is an email from John Bullot but I am struggling with it
Will be having another look but if anyone has already overcome a similar problem, would save me some time
Regards
Ralph
From: John Bullôt [mailto:john@bullot.org]
Sent: 06 February 2008 01:16
To: ‘Ralph Tingle’; Michael Butterfield
Cc: Colin Jenkins
Subject: Sailwave - Excluded Scores from Final Series
Hi Ralph, Mike and Colin,
Greeting from New Zealand.
Last weekend the NZL Laser National Championships were sailed on Lake Taupo in the centre of the North Island. It was a wonderful 5 day regatta with 145 lasers racing. From a judges point of view there was some fabulous racing and wonderful spirit amongst the sailors, but isn’t that what sailing is all about.
The regatta used Sailwave (v1.95 b6) for the results system. Which by the way we also hope to use at the Radial World Championships which are being sailed in Auckland in a months time.
In using the programme I think we found a bug, although of course it may also be an operator error.
The Radial fleet of 78 boats (including the CHN girl who was WC in Los Angeles in 2006) sailed a qualifying series of of 7 races and then a final series of a further 5 races. The discard profile was 1 at 6 and 2 at 10 with only one race discarded from the final series (race 8 onwards).
The error in the results was that where a sailors two worst results were in the final series the programme excluded one race from the final-series races but but then did not exclude another race from the qualifying-series, therefore some sailors only had one discard recorded after race 10 rather than two. The attached PDF file highlights the sailors where this error occurred. Also attached is the BLW file with results recorded up to race 10.
Can any of you advise if this is an operator error or a programme error.
Thank you for your assistance.
Good Sailing.
John Bullot IJ NZL
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