Handicap Regattas

Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
regattas.

Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial to 49er!!).
We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing sheets
(fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event. We record
results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the sheer
volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single operator,
takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy competitors.

Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy data to
publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice from
experienced users of Sailwave.

One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early February &
there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive kit on
committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.

Ralph Tingle

PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!

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I have used the program for many 100+ entry regattas for the optimist
dinghies, lasers, europe dinghies, and finns. I just finished scoring
the USA Olympic Trials in Fort Lauderdale for the Euros and Finns. This
program is made for large regattas and will give you no problems. Just
make sure entries don't change sail numbers on you during the regatta.
Do not use a notebook computer on a boat, just have someone call the
results on a cell phone to land. Then immediately put results to a web
page. Very easy and fast. Check it out at:
http://www.lyc.org/Olympics-2004/olympics2004.htm

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ExcelRAT@aol.com wrote on 4/1/2004, 11:54 AM:

> Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
> regattas.
>
> Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
> Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial
> to 49er!!).
> We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing
> sheets
> (fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event.
> We record
> results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the
> sheer
> volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single
> operator,
> takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy
> competitors.
>
> Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
> looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard
> copy data to
> publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice
> from
> experienced users of Sailwave.
>
> One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early
> February &
> there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive
> kit on
> committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.
>
> Ralph Tingle
>
> PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!
>
>
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Ralph,

If you are going to process the results manually, i.e. enter data from paper
records, I do not think there is to much you can do apart from spreading the
data entry load to two operators, i.e. one entering fast data & one entering
slow data, and then merge the files; but you probably have the slow and fast
boats intermingled on your finish line sheets!

We have the ability to use a portable running a program called PROlog which
can start races and record finish times at the finish. Alongside the finish
times can recorded the class & sail number. Note we do not rely on
electronics, humans also record times & class/sail#. The data can then be
exported in a form that Sailwave can read. There are other devices that do
similar things. However I did note the reluctance of members for their
portables to be on the water in a damp environment. Datchet bought a club
portable. We have a committee boat with an enclosed cabin which is fitted
out for using a portable on board. FYI - Panasonic make a range of
portables called ToughBook which have very high standards with regard to
dust , water & moisture.

Datchet also run a series in the cold damp months of February each year on
the Sundays called the Winter Warm Up, 2 races per day with up to 100 boats
taking part.

Kind regards,
Huw Pearce
WebMaster, Datchet Water Sailing Club
www www.dwsc.co.uk
e-mail webmaster@dwsc.co.uk

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From: ExcelRAT@aol.com [mailto:ExcelRAT@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:55 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handicap Regattas

  Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
  regattas.

  Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
  Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial to
49er!!).
  We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing sheets
  (fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event. We
record
  results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the
sheer
  volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single
operator,
  takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy
competitors.

  Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
  looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy
data to
  publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice from
  experienced users of Sailwave.

  One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early February
&
  there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive kit
on
  committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.

  Ralph Tingle

  PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!

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We have run numerous 100 - 200 boat regattas, sailing three and four races a
day using Sailwave and do not have a problem with volume. We can usually
manage to have the scores posted before the last boat hits the dock. As you
get the results phone them back to club scoring office which is responsible
for entering the finishing times into Sailwave.

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-------Original Message-------

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 04/01/04 09:33:29
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handicap Regattas

Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
regattas.

Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial to
49er!!).
We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing sheets
(fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event. We
record
results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the sheer

volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single operator,
takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy
competitors.

Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy data
to
publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice from
experienced users of Sailwave.

One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early February &

there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive kit on

committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.

Ralph Tingle

PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!

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Just had a little look at Sailwave, and I think it should be possible to
spread the data entry over multiple people. I think this method should work
with separate fleets; however I would strongly recommend that you test it
yourself. That way if you find I've missed something obvious it won't cause
a lot of grief.

Assuming you have Excel, give each person a batch of results to enter. In
the first row you need the headings Class, Sailno, RaceNo, Elapsed Time. In
each row below you enter each of your results. Then once the person has
finished their results you save the file as a comma separated file, and use
the results import tool in Sailwave. You'd probably need a bunch of floppy
disks to get the data from each computer to the main one with Sailwave on.

You can just use notepad, just separate each field with a comma. If you do
not allow the import tool to create new competitors, and someone has entered
the class or sail number incorrectly the data will not be imported. Also if
you think you have an error, you have the data split up, allowing multiple
people to check separate sections at the same time.

May turn out that the method I have just suggested has some obvious fault
with it, but I think in principle it should be fine.

Hope you find a good way to do it,

Martin Mitchell

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From: ExcelRAT@aol.com [mailto:ExcelRAT@aol.com]
Sent: 01 April 2004 17:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handicap Regattas

Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
regattas.

Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial to
49er!!).
We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing sheets
(fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event. We
record
results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the sheer

volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single operator,
takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy
competitors.

Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy data
to
publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice from
experienced users of Sailwave.

One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early February &

there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive kit on

committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.

Ralph Tingle

PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!

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Hi Ralph,

Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are

looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy data
to publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice
from experienced users of Sailwave.<

Make sure you use the SailNo wizard to enter the times. Typing in sail
numbers and times is very very quick. Finding sailing numbers in a list
then editing that result with a double-click is an order or magnitude
slower... Two people using the SailNo wizard is the best way to do it - one
to read the sheets and keep an eye on the screen and one to type what the
other guy is reading.

Colin J

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-----Original Message-----
From: ExcelRAT@aol.com [mailto:ExcelRAT@aol.com]
Sent: 01 April 2004 17:55
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handicap Regattas

Can anyone help with processing results for large, multi-class, dinghy
regattas.

Our event is held in the UK and attracts some 200+ dinghies for 4 General
Handicap races on Saturday and a 2hr Pursuit on Sunday (Laser Radial to
49er!!).
We have 2 starts (fast & slow) for GH races and 2 sets of finishing sheets
(fast & slow) but all results are combined in sailwave for one event. We
record
results manually which are then sent ashore for processing. Due to the sheer
volume of data, the entering of results into Sailwave by a single operator,
takes some considerable time and can result in delays and unhappy
competitors.

Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy data
to
publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice from
experienced users of Sailwave.

One limiting factor is that the event is run in the cold of early February &
there is a reluctance from owners of laptops to place their expensive kit on
committee boats which are not totally weatherproof.

Ralph Tingle

PS In case you were wondering - Yes it is the Tiger Trophy at Rutland!!

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One gal reading (and watching) and one guy typing into the Sail Number
Wizard (with both sober and paying attention) is as quick as I can imagine.
It's what we do and it's smooth. Even when there are duplicate sail numbers
you have choices.

All the real problems I encounter are registration problems where we don't
get the initial database quite right and have to futz around a bit when
there are no boats that meet the input criteria.

Colin, thanks, this tool is wonderful! Printed scores before the bar opens.
Who would have ever thunk it?

...Gil

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Colin Jenkins" <colin@sailwave.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:42 PM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Handicap Regattas

Hi Ralph,

>Whilst we are happy with the race management aspects on the water, we are
looking for ways to improve the time taken from receiving the hard copy

data

to publishing results on the noticeboard and would appreciate any advice
from experienced users of Sailwave.<

Make sure you use the SailNo wizard to enter the times. Typing in sail
numbers and times is very very quick. Finding sailing numbers in a list
then editing that result with a double-click is an order or magnitude
slower... Two people using the SailNo wizard is the best way to do it -

one

to read the sheets and keep an eye on the screen and one to type what the
other guy is reading.

Colin J