Hi all,
Having come back from the Oppie nationals, where I was asked to help
with the results, I want to check whether Sailwave can handle such an
event. We had several problems with the system we were using, and I
think Sailwave can do a better job.
Here's the event format:
305 sailors, sailing in Junior and Senior fleets.
Juniors are prize age 12 and below.
Seniors are prize age 13 and above.
Sailors are flighted - 4 flights for Juniors, 4 for Seniors.
Therefore each 'race' is 4 races - 2 (2 flights) for juniors and 2 (2
flights)for seniors, with flights rotating against each other each race.
Sailors all race on the same course - so results are recorded as a
stream of sail numbers to be entered. As fast sailors from one race
might overtake slow ones from the preceding one, they are likely to be
intermingled.
The sailors are reflighted after 6 races.
One crucial aspect is the ability to be able to apply corrections to
the results as a result of a sailor's query (i.e. revisiting the finish
records) - especially after reflighting. The latter cause big problems
for us this year, as the reflighting meant that the system being used
got confused.
I'm sure Sailwave can cope with this, but the crux is how to set it up.
I assume it's going to be combinations of flights, fleets etc.
Before I start playing and testing (I intend to re-run the event
through Sailwave), I'd appreciate any knowledge/advice!
Oh yes, and when importing the CSV file from our existing results,
Sailwave doesn't seem to pick up the Flight information.
Sailwave should be able to do everything you need.
We used it for the Topper nationals where we re-flighted every day and
then moved to a bronze/silver/gold for the last 3 days. And also a
couple of weeks earlier for the worlds with a slightly easier system (no
reflighting just fleets for the 1st 3 days & bronze/silver/gold for the
last 3 days).
Given you are re-flighting you really need to use flights since they can
be allocated on a race by race basis.
Re-scoring is easy.
Basically set it up to allow multiple starts
Use Tools->Flight Assignments to set up the colors assignments.
These can be edited later for each competitor to fix any problems where
the flight can be set for each race. (ie we had to move 1 person from
silver to gold manually because the rules said people with equal points
won't be split into different fleets).
Set up the start using edit race to assign whichever flight to the
appropriate start for each race.
Use Sailno wizard to enter the results.
Correct errors with tools->rearrange recorded places.
I guess you will need to score as separate fleets to keep Junior/Seniors
separate and you can't score them as separate file because the results
will be all mudled.
Hi all,
Having come back from the Oppie nationals, where I was asked
to help with the results, I want to check whether Sailwave
can handle such an event. We had several problems with the
system we were using, and I think Sailwave can do a better job.
Here's the event format:
305 sailors, sailing in Junior and Senior fleets.
Juniors are prize age 12 and below.
Seniors are prize age 13 and above.
Sailors are flighted - 4 flights for Juniors, 4 for Seniors.
Therefore each 'race' is 4 races - 2 (2 flights) for juniors
and 2 (2 flights)for seniors, with flights rotating against
each other each race.
Sailors all race on the same course - so results are recorded
as a stream of sail numbers to be entered. As fast sailors
from one race might overtake slow ones from the preceding
one, they are likely to be intermingled.
The sailors are reflighted after 6 races.
One crucial aspect is the ability to be able to apply
corrections to the results as a result of a sailor's query
(i.e. revisiting the finish
records) - especially after reflighting. The latter cause big
problems for us this year, as the reflighting meant that the
system being used got confused.
I'm sure Sailwave can cope with this, but the crux is how to
set it up.
I assume it's going to be combinations of flights, fleets etc.
Before I start playing and testing (I intend to re-run the
event through Sailwave), I'd appreciate any knowledge/advice!
Oh yes, and when importing the CSV file from our existing
results, Sailwave doesn't seem to pick up the Flight information.
I didn’t see anything in your note that can not be done in Sailwave.
I have attached a couple of documents that you might find useful.
ABYC Sailwave Scorers Guide we use at Alamitos Bay YC. Still a work in progress.
Notes we made recently prior to running the US Laser Nationals. We were anticipating having to run Flights for both the Radials and Full Rigs, so setup and ran a scoring simulation to make sure we didn’t encounter unforeseen problems. We ended up not having flights at just started the 80 Full Rigs as one fleet and 92 Radials as one fleet.
Hope they help.
Prior to running any large regatta make sure you test the scoring software. Try rescoring the prior years event to make sure you can reproduce the prior years scoring.
Hi all,
Having come back from the Oppie nationals, where I was asked to help
with the results, I want to check whether Sailwave can handle such an
event. We had several problems with the system we were using, and I
think Sailwave can do a better job.
Here’s the event format:
305 sailors, sailing in Junior and Senior fleets.
Juniors are prize age 12 and below.
Seniors are prize age 13 and above.
Sailors are flighted - 4 flights for Juniors, 4 for Seniors.
Therefore each ‘race’ is 4 races - 2 (2 flights) for juniors and 2 (2
flights)for seniors, with flights rotating against each other each race.
Sailors all race on the same course - so results are recorded as a
stream of sail numbers to be entered. As fast sailors from one race
might overtake slow ones from the preceding one, they are likely to be
intermingled.
The sailors are reflighted after 6 races.
One crucial aspect is the ability to be able to apply corrections to
the results as a result of a sailor’s query (i.e. revisiting the finish
records) - especially after reflighting. The latter cause big problems
for us this year, as the reflighting meant that the system being used
got confused.
I’m sure Sailwave can cope with this, but the crux is how to set it up.
I assume it’s going to be combinations of flights, fleets etc.
Before I start playing and testing (I intend to re-run the event
through Sailwave), I’d appreciate any knowledge/advice!
Oh yes, and when importing the CSV file from our existing results,
Sailwave doesn’t seem to pick up the Flight information.
Thanks!
James
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From: jpharvey@ptc.com
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:33:51 -0400
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Handling large flighted event with reflighting
Sailwave should be able to do everything you need.
We used it for the Topper nationals where we re-flighted every day and
then moved to a bronze/silver/gold for the last 3 days. And also a
couple of weeks earlier for the worlds with a slightly easier system (no
reflighting just fleets for the 1st 3 days & bronze/silver/gold for the
last 3 days).
Given you are re-flighting you really need to use flights since they can
be allocated on a race by race basis.
Re-scoring is easy.
Basically set it up to allow multiple starts
Use Tools->Flight Assignments to set up the colors assignments.
These can be edited later for each competitor to fix any problems where
the flight can be set for each race. (ie we had to move 1 person from
silver to gold manually because the rules said people with equal points
won’t be split into different fleets).
Set up the start using edit race to assign whichever flight to the
appropriate start for each race.
Use Sailno wizard to enter the results.
Correct errors with tools->rearrange recorded places.
I guess you will need to score as separate fleets to keep Junior/Seniors
separate and you can’t score them as separate file because the results
will be all mudled.
Hi all,
Having come back from the Oppie nationals, where I was asked
to help with the results, I want to check whether Sailwave
can handle such an event. We had several problems with the
system we were using, and I think Sailwave can do a better job.
Here’s the event format:
305 sailors, sailing in Junior and Senior fleets.
Juniors are prize age 12 and below.
Seniors are prize age 13 and above.
Sailors are flighted - 4 flights for Juniors, 4 for Seniors.
Therefore each ‘race’ is 4 races - 2 (2 flights) for juniors
and 2 (2 flights)for seniors, with flights rotating against
each other each race.
Sailors all race on the same course - so results are recorded
as a stream of sail numbers to be entered. As fast sailors
from one race might overtake slow ones from the preceding
one, they are likely to be intermingled.
The sailors are reflighted after 6 races.
One crucial aspect is the ability to be able to apply
corrections to the results as a result of a sailor’s query
(i.e. revisiting the finish
records) - especially after reflighting. The latter cause big
problems for us this year, as the reflighting meant that the
system being used got confused.
I’m sure Sailwave can cope with this, but the crux is how to
set it up.
I assume it’s going to be combinations of flights, fleets etc.
Before I start playing and testing (I intend to re-run the
event through Sailwave), I’d appreciate any knowledge/advice!
Oh yes, and when importing the CSV file from our existing
results, Sailwave doesn’t seem to pick up the Flight information.
I am confident that Sailwave can handle the the scenario you have
outlined. I used Sailwave a couple of years ago to score the 49er
Europeans & 29er Worlds at Weymouth, not quite the numbers you had, with
reallocation of flights each day.
Sailwave has tool for adjusting results after changes to finish
positions after a scoring query has been upheld.
With regard to result import of flight information I would have to take
a look.
Kind regards,
Huw
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On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 21:16 +0000, James Lavery wrote:
Hi all,
Having come back from the Oppie nationals, where I was asked to help
with the results, I want to check whether Sailwave can handle such an
event. We had several problems with the system we were using, and I
think Sailwave can do a better job.
Here's the event format:
305 sailors, sailing in Junior and Senior fleets.
Juniors are prize age 12 and below.
Seniors are prize age 13 and above.
Sailors are flighted - 4 flights for Juniors, 4 for Seniors.
Therefore each 'race' is 4 races - 2 (2 flights) for juniors and 2 (2
flights)for seniors, with flights rotating against each other each
race.
Sailors all race on the same course - so results are recorded as a
stream of sail numbers to be entered. As fast sailors from one race
might overtake slow ones from the preceding one, they are likely to
be
intermingled.
The sailors are reflighted after 6 races.
One crucial aspect is the ability to be able to apply corrections to
the results as a result of a sailor's query (i.e. revisiting the
finish
records) - especially after reflighting. The latter cause big
problems
for us this year, as the reflighting meant that the system being used
got confused.
I'm sure Sailwave can cope with this, but the crux is how to set it
up.
I assume it's going to be combinations of flights, fleets etc.
Before I start playing and testing (I intend to re-run the event
through Sailwave), I'd appreciate any knowledge/advice!
Oh yes, and when importing the CSV file from our existing results,
Sailwave doesn't seem to pick up the Flight information.