It looks as if, when calculating points for DNC etc this version (3.7)
and 3.6 include the unsailed competitors in the calculation of
"Boats in Series +". Is this by design? And can others reproduce
this? If so its rather awkward if you want to import all the folk into
the club from a membership list rather than type them in as they
do races...
JIm C
Hi Jim,
It's by design. In an open event context for example it's necessary. e.g.
20 competitors enter so DNF is points for 21st place regardless of whether
or not some of the competitors have all DNC results. So this behaviour is
needed. I agree that in a club context it might be useful to operate
otherwise. I intend to do the qualification profile stuff soon and a
precursor to this involves being able to mark a competitor as 'not part of
the series' Have done this it'll be easy to add a tool to mark competitors
as not part of the series if all their results are DNC (or blank). Then we
get the best of both worlds. Possibility of automation along these lines.
Regards,
Colin
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From: Jim Champ [mailto:jimc@hjones.cix.co.uk]
Sent: 25 November 2001 19:05
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Handling of Unsailed competitors v3.7
It looks as if, when calculating points for DNC etc this version (3.7)
and 3.6 include the unsailed competitors in the calculation of
"Boats in Series +". Is this by design? And can others reproduce
this? If so its rather awkward if you want to import all the folk into
the club from a membership list rather than type them in as they
do races...
JIm C
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--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colinjenkins@t...> wrote:
It's by design. In an open event context for example it's
necessary. e.g.
20 competitors enter so DNF is points for 21st place regardless of
whether
or not some of the competitors have all DNC results. So this
behaviour is
needed. I agree that in a club context it might be useful to
operate
otherwise. I intend to do the qualification profile stuff soon and
a
precursor to this involves being able to mark a competitor as 'not
part of
the series'
Would it make more sense if all competitors were initially
marked as 'not part of the series' and then select who is to be
included. I know in our club only about 20% of the boats actually
compete in club racing (the rest are cruising types).
Or maybe all it would need would be 'select all'/'select none'
buttons for the list.
Have done this it'll be easy to add a tool to mark competitors
as not part of the series if all their results are DNC (or blank).
Then we
get the best of both worlds. Possibility of automation along
these lines.
It's too early on Monday morning, my brain and fingers aren't
coordinating whole sentences that make sense, and clicking the send
button at the right time 
--- In sailwave@y..., Steve.Atkinson@w... wrote:
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colinjenkins@t...> wrote:
> It's by design. In an open event context for example it's
necessary. e.g.
> 20 competitors enter so DNF is points for 21st place regardless
of
whether
> or not some of the competitors have all DNC results. So this
behaviour is
> needed. I agree that in a club context it might be useful to
operate
> otherwise. I intend to do the qualification profile stuff soon
and
a
> precursor to this involves being able to mark a competitor
as 'not
part of
> the series'Would it make more sense if all competitors were initially
marked as 'not part of the series' and then select who is to be
included. I know in our club only about 20% of the boats actually
compete in club racing (the rest are cruising types).
So it would be easier to only select those that are to be considered
as competitors, rather than having to select all those to not be
considered.
Or maybe all it would need would be 'select all'/'select none'
buttons for the list.> Have done this it'll be easy to add a tool to mark competitors
> as not part of the series if all their results are DNC (or
blank).
Then we
> get the best of both worlds. Possibility of automation along
these lines.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your comments. I'll certainly I'll be adding some helpers to
include/exclude all/none etc as well as 'include only those with at least
one DNC result' etc. It means you'll be able to have casual sailors in the
data (with results even) but ignored for the purposes of scoring.
Colin Jenkins
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From: Steve.Atkinson@windswept.org.uk
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Sent: 26 November 2001 09:50
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Handling of Unsailed competitors v3.7
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colinjenkins@t...> wrote:
It's by design. In an open event context for example it's
necessary. e.g.
20 competitors enter so DNF is points for 21st place regardless of
whether
or not some of the competitors have all DNC results. So this
behaviour is
needed. I agree that in a club context it might be useful to
operate
otherwise. I intend to do the qualification profile stuff soon and
a
precursor to this involves being able to mark a competitor as 'not
part of
the series'
Would it make more sense if all competitors were initially
marked as 'not part of the series' and then select who is to be
included. I know in our club only about 20% of the boats actually
compete in club racing (the rest are cruising types).
Or maybe all it would need would be 'select all'/'select none'
buttons for the list.
Have done this it'll be easy to add a tool to mark competitors
as not part of the series if all their results are DNC (or blank).
Then we
get the best of both worlds. Possibility of automation along
these lines.
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Hi Colin,
This sounds very useful and will allow us to provide results for those
competitors who sail in a club boat which our rules prevent from scoring
points in a series.
I am looking forward to the improvement of being able to mark competitors as
not being part of the series. However, there is another problem maybe
peculiar to Bexhill? If a competitor turns up to race and there is no-one
else in his fleet to race against then he is allowed to race in the Fast /
Slow handicap fleet and score points in that fleet instead. So, how do we
distinguish between the boat in its normal fleet and the same boat in the
handicap fleet? A separate data base of all competitors (not associated with
any particular fleet) might make this easier. Are there any plans along
these lines?
Rob Harrison
Bexhill Sailing Club
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From: Colin Jenkins <colin.jenkins@match-it.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Handling of Unsailed competitors v3.7
Hi Steve,
Thanks for your comments. I'll certainly I'll be adding some helpers to
include/exclude all/none etc as well as 'include only those with at least
one DNC result' etc. It means you'll be able to have casual sailors in
the
data (with results even) but ignored for the purposes of scoring.
Colin Jenkins
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Sent: 26 November 2001 09:50
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Handling of Unsailed competitors v3.7--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colinjenkins@t...> wrote:
> It's by design. In an open event context for example it's
necessary. e.g.
> 20 competitors enter so DNF is points for 21st place regardless of
whether
> or not some of the competitors have all DNC results. So this
behaviour is
> needed. I agree that in a club context it might be useful to
operate
> otherwise. I intend to do the qualification profile stuff soon and
a
> precursor to this involves being able to mark a competitor as 'not
part of
> the series'Would it make more sense if all competitors were initially
marked as 'not part of the series' and then select who is to be
included. I know in our club only about 20% of the boats actually
compete in club racing (the rest are cruising types).Or maybe all it would need would be 'select all'/'select none'
buttons for the list.> Have done this it'll be easy to add a tool to mark competitors
> as not part of the series if all their results are DNC (or blank).
Then we
> get the best of both worlds. Possibility of automation along
these lines.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave
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Hi Rob,
I am looking forward to the improvement of being able to mark competitors
as
not being part of the series. However, there is another problem maybe
peculiar to Bexhill? If a competitor turns up to race and there is no-one
else in his fleet to race against then he is allowed to race in the Fast /
Slow handicap fleet and score points in that fleet instead. So, how do we
distinguish between the boat in its normal fleet and the same boat in the
handicap fleet?<
Nothing auto to do this. You'd have to include the boat as an entry in both
fleets.
A separate data base of all competitors (not associated with
any particular fleet) might make this easier. Are there any plans along
these lines?<
Yes, but you can kinda do it now. Sailwave allows you to import competitors
from another Sailwave file. You could maintain a 'master' Sailwave file of
all your boats and import them into new series as required...
Regards,
Colin
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