High Points Scoring System

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1

I am running a General Handicap event with approx 10 boats in each fleet.
I will be using a high points system of 1st = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points etc.
This will result in the bottom 5 boats all scoring nil points

I have entered 5,4,3,2,1,0,0 using the 'custom high point, defined by a list of points'
This gives me the desired points results when I score sample races (using an old GH regatta as
sample data).

I would like to use the remainder of App A, especially for ties based upon positions.
When I view race results by scored rank, it gives everyone 6th place after the five points scorers.

Before I waste lots of time trying to analyse my test data, has anyone come across this scenario &
can advise if I am on the right track to produce the correct tiebreaking results?

Regards
Ralph Tingle

2

Ralph

This is inevitable if you use 0 for all positions below 5th. The system than has no means of
distinguishing between those lower results so everyone becomes 6th.

You would be better to use CHIPS High Point Scoring which, amongst other
things, is very good at resolving ties.

Colin plans to put CHIPS scoring into Sailwave but clearly has not had time
to get around to it yet.

If you are not familiar with CHIPS the full details area available in
the Files area.

Regards

Geoff

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRalph Tingle
Sent: 21 October 2006 13:31
To: ‘Sailwave’
Subject: [sailwave] High Points
Scoring System

I am running a General Handicap event with
approx 10 boats in each fleet.

I will be using a high points system of 1st = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points etc.

This will result in the bottom 5 boats all scoring nil points

I have entered 5,4,3,2,1,0,0 using the ‘custom high point, defined by a
list of points’

This gives me the desired points results when I score sample races (using an
old GH regatta as

sample data).

I would like to use the remainder of App A, especially for ties based upon
positions.

When I view race results by scored rank, it gives everyone 6th place after the
five points scorers.

Before I waste lots of time trying to analyse my test data, has anyone come
across this scenario &

can advise if I am on the right track to produce the correct tiebreaking
results?

Regards

Ralph Tingle

3

Thanks Geoff

Unfortunately, need the results system for 4th Nov.

I seem to remember when I last tried to do this, it worked when the series was a single class & positions were entered instead of times.

I have just come back from a meeting about the event & it looks as though the class will be able to increase the entry & avoid a General Handicap :-))

Cheers

Ralph

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From: Geoff Burrell [mailto:geoff.burrell@btinternet.com]
Sent: 21 October 2006 17:27
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

Ralph

This is inevitable if you use 0 for all positions below 5th. The system than has no means of distinguishing between those lower results so everyone becomes 6th.

You would be better to use CHIPS High Point Scoring which, amongst other things, is very good at resolving ties.

Colin plans to put CHIPS scoring into Sailwave but clearly has not had time to get around to it yet.

If you are not familiar with CHIPS the full details area available in the Files area.

Regards

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 21 October 2006 13:31
To: ‘Sailwave’
Subject: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

I am running a General Handicap event with approx 10 boats in each fleet.
I will be using a high points system of 1st = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points etc.
This will result in the bottom 5 boats all scoring nil points

I have entered 5,4,3,2,1,0,0 using the ‘custom high point, defined by a list of points’
This gives me the desired points results when I score sample races (using an old GH regatta as
sample data).

I would like to use the remainder of App A, especially for ties based upon positions.
When I view race results by scored rank, it gives everyone 6th place after the five points scorers.

Before I waste lots of time trying to analyse my test data, has anyone come across this scenario &
can advise if I am on the right track to produce the correct tiebreaking results?

Regards
Ralph Tingle

4

Cannot find anything on the CHIPS scoring - can you please provide a
link

thanks

Steve

Geoff Burrell wrote:

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mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]** On Behalf Of**Ralph Tingle
Sent: 21 October 2006
13:31
To: ‘Sailwave’
Subject: [sailwave]
High Points
Scoring System

5

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/files/

CHIPS SCORES.xls
Definition of CHIPS2.doc

6

What about this proposal…

Display points with no more than one decimal

6th receives 0.001 point

7th receives 0.0001 point

and so on...

Total of decimal parts never reaches 0.05 (except in a series of 50 6th places), so no decimal is displayed in results

In the calculation, scores are then seldom considered as ties, and we can assume that under 10 races, apparent ties are solved according to ISAF A8.1 and A8.2. If there are more than 10 races, divide the points of the previous place by the number of races+1

Philippe

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----- Original Message -----

From:
Geoff Burrell

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:27 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

Ralph

This is inevitable if you use 0 for all positions below 5th. The system than has no means of distinguishing between those lower results so everyone becomes 6th.

You would be better to use CHIPS High Point Scoring which, amongst other things, is very good at resolving ties.

Colin plans to put CHIPS scoring into Sailwave but clearly has not had time to get around to it yet.

If you are not familiar with CHIPS the full details area available in the Files area.

Regards

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 21 October 2006 13:31
To: ‘Sailwave’
Subject: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

I am running a General Handicap event with approx 10 boats in each fleet.
I will be using a high points system of 1st = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points etc.
This will result in the bottom 5 boats all scoring nil points

I have entered 5,4,3,2,1,0, 0 using the ‘custom high point, defined by a list of points’
This gives me the desired points results when I score sample races (using an old GH regatta as
sample data).

I would like to use the remainder of App A, especially for ties based upon positions.
When I view race results by scored rank, it gives everyone 6th place after the five points scorers.

Before I waste lots of time trying to analyse my test data, has anyone come across this scenario &
can advise if I am on the right track to produce the correct tiebreaking results?

Regards
Ralph Tingle

7

Thanks Philippe

Your suggestion looks like a good workaround

As a result of discussing the low entry (which required a GH event) the class associations have agreed to drum up more support or drop out altogether

This means that racing will be based on single classes & I can enter finishing positions which will eliminate the problem (I hope)

Your proposal will be a good fallback if it still doesn’t work

Ralph

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From: Philippe DE TROY [mailto:webmanager@ffyb.be]
Sent: 23 October 2006 11:02
To:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

What about this proposal…

Display points with no more than one decimal

6th receives 0.001 point

7th receives 0.0001 point

and so on...

Total of decimal parts never reaches 0.05 (except in a series of 50 6th places), so no decimal is displayed in results

In the calculation, scores are then seldom considered as ties, and we can assume that under 10 races, apparent ties are solved according to ISAF A8.1 and A8.2. If there are more than 10 races, divide the points of the previous place by the number of races+1

Philippe

----- Original Message -----

From: Geoff Burrell

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 6:27 PM

Subject: RE: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

Ralph

This is inevitable if you use 0 for all positions below 5th. The system than has no means of distinguishing between those lower results so everyone becomes 6th.

You would be better to use CHIPS High Point Scoring which, amongst other things, is very good at resolving ties.

Colin plans to put CHIPS scoring into Sailwave but clearly has not had time to get around to it yet.

If you are not familiar with CHIPS the full details area available in the Files area.

Regards

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From:
sailwave@yahoogroup s.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Ralph Tingle
Sent: 21 October 2006 13:31
To: ‘Sailwave’
Subject: [sailwave] High Points Scoring System

I am running a General Handicap event with approx 10 boats in each fleet.
I will be using a high points system of 1st = 5 points, 2nd = 4 points etc.
This will result in the bottom 5 boats all scoring nil points

I have entered 5,4,3,2,1,0, 0 using the ‘custom high point, defined by a list of points’
This gives me the desired points results when I score sample races (using an old GH regatta as
sample data).

I would like to use the remainder of App A, especially for ties based upon positions.
When I view race results by scored rank, it gives everyone 6th place after the five points scorers.

Before I waste lots of time trying to analyse my test data, has anyone come across this scenario &
can advise if I am on the right track to produce the correct tiebreaking results?

Regards
Ralph Tingle