High Points System

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Hi
I searched the message th but still have a high points questions we
are using the US sailing hi points system at my club:
if 'N' is the number of boats that compete in a particular race.
Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or being
disqualified will be scored as follows:
Finishing place Score
First N
Second N-1
Third N-2
Fourth N-3

I can't get this to translate into sailwave tried the custom
highpoint formula of:
s,s-1,s-2,s-3
and then tried to put that formula in the custom hipoints defined by
list box. No luck

Any ideas?

2

Hi Viper640,

The expression I have used for High Point scoring in the past is

(f-p)+6

Where f is the number of finishers and p is the place over the line that the boat achieved either straight finish place for level boat racing or position on handicap for handicap racing. The +6 bit was to allow for custom points for DNF, DNC etc which have to be set manually for High Point Scoring. To get the first finisher to score N points in your description you will need to have at least +1 where I have +6

Hope this helps

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of viper640
Sent:
07 April 2008 06:24
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave] High Points System

Hi
I searched the message th but still have a high points questions we
are using the US sailing hi points system at my club:
if ‘N’ is the number of boats that compete in a particular race.
Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or being
disqualified will be scored as follows:
Finishing place Score
First N
Second N-1
Third N-2
Fourth N-3

I can’t get this to translate into sailwave tried the custom
highpoint formula of:
s,s-1,s-2,s-3
and then tried to put that formula in the custom hipoints defined by
list box. No luck

Any ideas?

3

1 RACES TO COUNT AND MINIMUM REQUIRED

Are you refering to the US Sailing High-Point Percentage System? What have you included in your NOR and SI’s as regards scoring? Did you use the wording US Sailing recommends (below)?

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The series will consist of the following races _______________. To qualify for inclusion in the final series results a boat shall compete in (i.e., come to the starting area for) at least 75 percent

1 of the races completed.
1

2 RACE SCORES

Note: The sailing instructions may state that a different percentage of races, or a minimum number of races, will be required. ****
Define ‘N’ to be the number of boats that compete in a particular race. Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or being disqualified will be scored as follows:

Finishing place Score

First N

Second N-1

Third N-2

Fourth N-3

and so on.

All other boats that compete in that race, including any that finish and thereafter retire or are disqualified, will score 0 points. Boats that do not compete in that race (DNC) will not be scored.

3 SERIES SCORES

The series score for each boat will be a percentage calculated as follows: divide the sum of her race scores by the sum of the points she would have scored if she had placed first in every race in which she competed; multiply the result by 100.

2 The qualified boat with the highest series score is the winner, and others are ranked accordingly.
2

4 TIES AND OTHER RULES

Note: When one or more race scores are to be excluded, add: ‘Exclude her ___ worst score(s). An excluded race counts as a race to qualify a boat for a series score, but not as one of her scored races.’ ****
Race ties will be broken using rule A7. Series ties will be broken using rule A8.1.

Rules A1, A3, A5, A6, A10 and A11 also apply.

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: viper640@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:24:16 +0000
Subject: [sailwave] High Points System

Hi
I searched the message th but still have a high points questions we
are using the US sailing hi points system at my club:
if ‘N’ is the number of boats that compete in a particular race.
Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or being
disqualified will be scored as follows:
Finishing place Score
First N
Second N-1
Third N-2
Fourth N-3

I can’t get this to translate into sailwave tried the custom
highpoint formula of:
s,s-1,s-2,s-3
and then tried to put that formula in the custom hipoints defined by
list box. No luck

Any ideas?

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Yes, we used the US sailing instructions, I managed to figure out the
formula:

abs((s+1)-p) to get the points awarded correctly in each race, now I
just need to figure out how to score the series score (part 3 below).
The good news is I have a few weeks before the series needs to be
scores....might be easier to just output the correct points to excel
to do the final series score.

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@...>
wrote:

Are you refering to the US Sailing High-Point Percentage System?

What have you included in your NOR and SI's as regards scoring? Did
you use the wording US Sailing recommends (below)?

1 RACES TO COUNT AND MINIMUM REQUIRED
The series will consist of the following races _______________. To

qualify for inclusion in the final series results a boat shall compete
in (i.e., come to the starting area for) at least 75 percent 1 of the
races completed.

1 Note: The sailing instructions may state that a different

percentage of races, or a minimum number of races, will be required.

2 RACE SCORES
Define 'N' to be the number of boats that compete in a particular

race. Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or
being disqualified will be scored as follows:

Finishing place Score
First N
Second N-1
Third N-2
Fourth N-3
and so on.
All other boats that compete in that race, including any that finish

and thereafter retire or are disqualified, will score 0 points. Boats
that do not compete in that race (DNC) will not be scored.

3 SERIES SCORES
The series score for each boat will be a percentage calculated as

follows: divide the sum of her race scores by the sum of the points
she would have scored if she had placed first in every race in which
she competed; multiply the result by 100. 2 The qualified boat with
the highest series score is the winner, and others are ranked
accordingly.

2 Note: When one or more race scores are to be excluded, add:

'Exclude her ___ worst score(s). An excluded race counts as a race to
qualify a boat for a series score, but not as one of her scored races.'

4 TIES AND OTHER RULES
Race ties will be broken using rule A7. Series ties will be broken

using rule A8.1.

Rules A1, A3, A5, A6, A10 and A11 also apply.

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@...

To: sailwave@...: viper640@...: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:24:16

+0000Subject: [sailwave] High Points System

HiI searched the message th but still have a high points questions

weare using the US sailing hi points system at my club:if 'N' is the
number of boats that compete in a particular race. Each boat finishing
that race and not thereafter retiring or beingdisqualified will be
scored as follows:Finishing place ScoreFirst NSecond N-1Third
N-2Fourth N-3I can't get this to translate into sailwave tried the
customhighpoint formula of:s,s-1,s-2,s-3and then tried to put that
formula in the custom hipoints defined bylist box. No luckAny ideas?

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Hi Viper640,

I am aware of the ‘percentage of excellence’ scoring method but I do not think that Sailwave can do it. As I have never needed this type of scoring I have not investigated if Sailwave can do, but I will now and get back to you.

Kind regards,

Huw

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of viper640
Sent:
08 April 2008 06:12
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[sailwave] Re: High Points System

Yes, we used the US sailing instructions, I managed to figure out the
formula:

abs((s+1)-p) to get the points awarded correctly in each race, now I
just need to figure out how to score the series score (part 3 below).
The good news is I have a few weeks before the series needs to be
scores…might be easier to just output the correct points to excel
to do the final series score.

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com , Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@…>
wrote:

Are you refering to the US Sailing High-Point Percentage System?
What have you included in your NOR and SI’s as regards scoring? Did
you use the wording US Sailing recommends (below)?

1 RACES TO COUNT AND MINIMUM REQUIRED
The series will consist of the following races _______________. To
qualify for inclusion in the final series results a boat shall compete
in (i.e., come to the starting area for) at least 75 percent 1 of the
races completed.
1 Note: The sailing instructions may state that a different
percentage of races, or a minimum number of races, will be required.
2 RACE SCORES
Define ‘N’ to be the number of boats that compete in a particular
race. Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or
being disqualified will be scored as follows:
Finishing place Score
First N
Second N-1
Third N-2
Fourth N-3
and so on.
All other boats that compete in that race, including any that finish
and thereafter retire or are disqualified, will score 0 points. Boats
that do not compete in that race (DNC) will not be scored.
3 SERIES SCORES
The series score for each boat will be a percentage calculated as
follows: divide the sum of her race scores by the sum of the points
she would have scored if she had placed first in every race in which
she competed; multiply the result by 100. 2 The qualified boat with
the highest series score is the winner, and others are ranked
accordingly.
2 Note: When one or more race scores are to be excluded, add:
‘Exclude her ___ worst score(s). An excluded race counts as a race to
qualify a boat for a series score, but not as one of her scored races.’
4 TIES AND OTHER RULES
Race ties will be broken using rule A7. Series ties will be broken
using rule A8.1.
Rules A1, A3, A5, A6, A10 and A11 also apply.

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@…

To: sailwave@…: viper640@… : Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:24:16
+0000Subject: [sailwave] High Points System

HiI searched the message th but still have a high points questions
weare using the US sailing hi points system at my club:if ‘N’ is the
number of boats that compete in a particular race. Each boat finishing
that race and not thereafter retiring or beingdisqualified will be
scored as follows:Finishing place ScoreFirst NSecond N-1Third
N-2Fourth N-3I can’t get this to translate into sailwave tried the
customhighpoint formula of:s,s-1,s-2, s-3and then tried to put that
formula in the custom hipoints defined bylist box. No luckAny ideas?

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If you
want a high point scoring system that has been implemented within Sailwave as
an option and gives scores in terms of percentage of performance against the fleet
as a whole then you could consider the CHIPS scoring method. The rationale for this is written up in
the Sailwave Files area accessible through the link -

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4Mv8RydDWvmcRBwmQImvebOFtM8yvi_1gp50myW8pCKT6W1viKyYWu0lY2HZUxmT5CDO_B5M2FcPDCGZFQZ2Z4ER4fA4ghgrsR9krBTTPOlbHzDxWc-qCpzD/%20All%20about%20CHIPS.pdf

Kind regards

Geoff

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 09 April 2008 09:28
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: High
Points System

Hi
Viper640,

I am
aware of the ‘percentage of excellence’ scoring method but I do not think that
Sailwave can do it. As I have never needed this type of scoring I have not
investigated if Sailwave can do, but I will now and get back to you.

Kind
regards,

Huw

-----Original
Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of viper640
Sent: 08 April 2008 06:12
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: High
Points System

Yes, we used the US sailing instructions, I managed to figure
out the

formula:

abs((s+1)-p) to get the points awarded correctly in each race, now I

just need to figure out how to score the series score (part 3 below).

The good news is I have a few weeks before the series needs to be

scores…might be easier to just output the correct points to excel

to do the final series score.

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com,
Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@…>

wrote:

Are you refering to the US Sailing High-Point Percentage System?

What have you included in your NOR and SI’s as regards scoring? Did

you use the wording US Sailing recommends (below)?

1 RACES TO COUNT AND MINIMUM REQUIRED

The series will consist of the following races _______________. To

qualify for inclusion in the final series results a boat shall compete

in (i.e., come to the starting area for) at least 75 percent 1 of the

races completed.

1 Note: The sailing instructions may state that a different

percentage of races, or a minimum number of races, will be required.

2 RACE SCORES

Define ‘N’ to be the number of boats that compete in a particular

race. Each boat finishing that race and not thereafter retiring or

being disqualified will be scored as follows:

Finishing place Score

First N

Second N-1

Third N-2

Fourth N-3

and so on.

All other boats that compete in that race, including any that finish

and thereafter retire or are disqualified, will score 0 points. Boats

that do not compete in that race (DNC) will not be scored.

3 SERIES SCORES

The series score for each boat will be a percentage calculated as

follows: divide the sum of her race scores by the sum of the points

she would have scored if she had placed first in every race in which

she competed; multiply the result by 100. 2 The qualified boat with

the highest series score is the winner, and others are ranked

accordingly.

2 Note: When one or more race scores are to be excluded, add:

'Exclude her ___ worst score(s). An excluded race counts as a race to

qualify a boat for a series score, but not as one of her scored races.’

4 TIES AND OTHER RULES

Race ties will be broken using rule A7. Series ties will be broken

using rule A8.1.

Rules A1, A3, A5, A6, A10 and A11 also apply.

Mark Townsend s_mark_townsend@…

To: sailwave@…: viper640@…: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 05:24:16

+0000Subject: [sailwave] High Points System

HiI searched the message th but still have a high points questions

weare using the US sailing hi points system at my club:if ‘N’ is the

number of boats that compete in a particular race. Each boat finishing

that race and not thereafter retiring or beingdisqualified will be

scored as follows:Finishing place ScoreFirst NSecond N-1Third

N-2Fourth N-3I can’t get this to translate into sailwave tried the

customhighpoint formula of:s,s-1,s-2,s-3and then tried to put that

formula in the custom hipoints defined bylist box. No luckAny ideas?

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