I’m organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr’Eau d’Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
- accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
- the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
- refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta…
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil
Another way of running the event might be :
either have a 10 minute time limit and then a RIB runs back through the fleet recording positions. Used at many major pursuit races.
or as soon as 1st boat finishes start finishing at all other marks (1 RIB per mark required), so you only wait for the boats already on the last leg.
My feeling is that the mass fleet start is a major part of the fun of any event and splitting the fleet spoils this.
When is the event?
Gordon
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Philippe De Troy
To: SAILWAVE User Group
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
I’m organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr’Eau d’Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
-
accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
-
the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
-
refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta…
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil
Mid-october.
But there is a press conference on April 15th
Your proposal is interesting for large local events, but I’m afraid it could be a further source of irritation for the top crews. If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn’t help.
And in sub-rankings, as the event counts for points in different circuits, there are rankings on handicap…
I know i makes splitting in fleets more tricky… A rule should be to accept all boats finishing within 5% or 7% time of the first boat on handicap. Happily, for different circuits, handicap tables are the same) so top crews are selected for Gold, regardless of performance of the boat.
Phil
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----- Original Message -----
From:
gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Another way of running the event might be :
either have a 10 minute time limit and then a RIB runs back through the fleet recording positions. Used at many major pursuit races.
or as soon as 1st boat finishes start finishing at all other marks (1 RIB per mark required), so you only wait for the boats already on the last leg.
My feeling is that the mass fleet start is a major part of the fun of any event and splitting the fleet spoils this.
When is the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From:
Philippe De Troy
To: SAILWAVE User Group
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
I'm organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr'Eau d'Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
-
accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
-
the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
-
refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta...
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil
“If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn’t help”
Those late-runners would finish at their next mark. They would be scored after those who finish at the proper finish line.
Doesn’t solve your handicap problems.
Any need of a French speaking but Irish Sailing Association judge who has sailed at Snipe events at l’Eau d’Heure (with a taste for Chimay in it’s many forms) for the event?
Gordon
···
----- Original Message -----
From:
Philippe De Troy
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Mid-october.
But there is a press conference on April 15th
Your proposal is interesting for large local events, but I’m afraid it could be a further source of irritation for the top crews. If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn’t help.
And in sub-rankings, as the event counts for points in different circuits, there are rankings on handicap…
I know i makes splitting in fleets more tricky… A rule should be to accept all boats finishing within 5% or 7% time of the first boat on handicap. Happily, for different circuits, handicap tables are the same) so top crews are selected for Gold, regardless of performance of the boat.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Another way of running the event might be :
either have a 10 minute time limit and then a RIB runs back through the fleet recording positions. Used at many major pursuit races.
or as soon as 1st boat finishes start finishing at all other marks (1 RIB per mark required), so you only wait for the boats already on the last leg.
My feeling is that the mass fleet start is a major part of the fun of any event and splitting the fleet spoils this.
When is the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippe De Troy
To: SAILWAVE User Group
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
I'm organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr'Eau d'Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
-
accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
-
the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
-
refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta...
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil
Just the problem that if they are finishing at the other side of the lake, they have to come back. They only place to shorten for slow boats is at the leeward mark.
Once selection of Gold and Silver is made, we can not only use windward-leeward, 3 laps for gold, 2 for silver, but also use Olympic trapezoid, with short (half length) inner leg for Silver and large outer leg for Gold.
With the specificity of the lake and its winds, I already used trapezoïds for 420 and Cadet, and the outer legs were no less than 30 degrees off the orientation of the inner legs… very surprising.
I transmit your proposal to the organising committee, but we are working on low budget. Anyway, here are also free seats on board, crew of three is required but we are usually sailing with crew of two for national regattas.
Phil
···
----- Original Message -----
From:
gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
" If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn’t help"
Those late-runners would finish at their next mark. They would be scored after those who finish at the proper finish line.
Doesn’t solve your handicap problems.
Any need of a French speaking but Irish Sailing Association judge who has sailed at Snipe events at l’Eau d’Heure (with a taste for Chimay in it’s many forms) for the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From:
Philippe De Troy
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Mid-october.
But there is a press conference on April 15th
Your proposal is interesting for large local events, but I'm afraid it could be a further source of irritation for the top crews. If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn't help.
And in sub-rankings, as the event counts for points in different circuits, there are rankings on handicap...
I know i makes splitting in fleets more tricky... A rule should be to accept all boats finishing within 5% or 7% time of the first boat on handicap. Happily, for different circuits, handicap tables are the same) so top crews are selected for Gold, regardless of performance of the boat.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Another way of running the event might be :
either have a 10 minute time limit and then a RIB runs back through the fleet recording positions. Used at many major pursuit races.
or as soon as 1st boat finishes start finishing at all other marks (1 RIB per mark required), so you only wait for the boats already on the last leg.
My feeling is that the mass fleet start is a major part of the fun of any event and splitting the fleet spoils this.
When is the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippe De Troy
To: SAILWAVE User Group
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
I'm organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr'Eau d'Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
-
accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
-
the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
-
refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta...
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil
Re low budget - the EUROSAF deal is official pays flight and organiser puts him/her up, usually chez l’habitant! As we are not allowed to become inappropriately inebriated even the beer costs remain low!
Gordon
···
----- Original Message -----
From:
Philippe De Troy
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Just the problem that if they are finishing at the other side of the lake, they have to come back. They only place to shorten for slow boats is at the leeward mark.
Once selection of Gold and Silver is made, we can not only use windward-leeward, 3 laps for gold, 2 for silver, but also use Olympic trapezoid, with short (half length) inner leg for Silver and large outer leg for Gold.
With the specificity of the lake and its winds, I already used trapezoïds for 420 and Cadet, and the outer legs were no less than 30 degrees off the orientation of the inner legs… very surprising.
I transmit your proposal to the organising committee, but we are working on low budget. Anyway, here are also free seats on board, crew of three is required but we are usually sailing with crew of two for national regattas.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
" If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn’t help"
Those late-runners would finish at their next mark. They would be scored after those who finish at the proper finish line.
Doesn't solve your handicap problems.
Any need of a French speaking but Irish Sailing Association judge who has sailed at Snipe events at l'Eau d'Heure (with a taste for Chimay in it's many forms) for the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippe De Troy
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Mid-october.
But there is a press conference on April 15th
Your proposal is interesting for large local events, but I'm afraid it could be a further source of irritation for the top crews. If at this time most of the competitors are still at the other side of the lake, it couldn't help.
And in sub-rankings, as the event counts for points in different circuits, there are rankings on handicap...
I know i makes splitting in fleets more tricky... A rule should be to accept all boats finishing within 5% or 7% time of the first boat on handicap. Happily, for different circuits, handicap tables are the same) so top crews are selected for Gold, regardless of performance of the boat.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: gordon davies
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
Another way of running the event might be :
either have a 10 minute time limit and then a RIB runs back through the fleet recording positions. Used at many major pursuit races.
or as soon as 1st boat finishes start finishing at all other marks (1 RIB per mark required), so you only wait for the boats already on the last leg.
My feeling is that the mass fleet start is a major part of the fun of any event and splitting the fleet spoils this.
When is the event?
Gordon
----- Original Message -----
From: Philippe De Troy
To: SAILWAVE User Group
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:36 AM
Subject: [sailwave] How should I use App LE Add C ???
I'm organising the 30th edition of the oldest national regatta of the Micro Class, the Micr'Eau d'Heure.
As the regatta is internationally very popular, with competitors from 6 to 10 nations and distances on the road up to 6000 kilometres (Ekaterinburg, RUS), and a wish of the club to attract as many boats as possible this year, the problem is a very wide range of speeds, hence choices are:
-
accept every boat, and have a sailing time 30 minutes for the first (probably a Russian, Latvian or Polish boat), then 45 minutes waiting for the last old cruiser, without time limit, no more than 5 races possible, conflicts with the interests of fast competitors coming from far away for just 2:30 hours racing
-
the same but with time limit 20 minutes after the first boat, up to 10 races in two days, but 50% of the boats are DNF in all races.
-
refuse slow boats, with qualifying conditions for some groups, conflicts with club wishes
From a situation based of the first option, with fast reduction of the number of high level competitors, we swithed to option 2 with great irritation of local competitors and a further decrease of the number of competitors (but internationals are in growing number and satisfied)
The last two years, option 3, with a selection regatta for locals 2 weeks before, exemption of qualification for boats having sailed abroad in the season. Almost nobody qualified, and qualified boats did not enter the regatta...
Last option, sail 3 short qualifs in two flights, then Gold flight on normal courses and Silver flight on reduced courses. Should meet the requirements of all parties, except the Race Committee and computer men. In these conditions, I will sail may own boat instead of drowning into calculations.
But my question is mostly about a selection Gold/Silver based on the performances in time, all boats finishing within 7% time of the first in 2/3 of the races, qualify for Gold, others sail as Silver.
How do I manage it with Sailwave?
Phil