Is it possible to high score?

Apologies if this has been covered in a previous post but Yahoo search in the group is not currently available.

We are trialling the splitting of PY and IRC into fast and slow fleets, with the fast fleets sailing an extra two legs to give them a longer course. Plan is for each fleet to then be scored using the high points system with a win giving 20 points and last 5, with each intervening place delivering a pro-rata number of points. The aim is for a mid fleet boat in a big fleet to score the same as mid fleet in a small fleet - I am not looking for comment on this as it has been talked around the horizon and we are we are we are for this trial...

So to my original question - can I select a high point system in Sailwave? I can't see it as an option. (I'm on version 2.02, build 1)

Steve Vyse
Sussex Yacht Club

Hi Steve,

The check-box you need is in the Setup – User Interface menu.

Regards,

Ian Day

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 07 March 2011 17:49
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Is it possible to high score?

Apologies if this has been covered in a previous post but Yahoo search in the group is not currently available.

We are trialling the splitting of PY and IRC into fast and slow fleets, with the fast fleets sailing an extra two legs to give them a longer course. Plan is for each fleet to then be scored using the high points system with a win giving 20 points and last 5, with each intervening place delivering a pro-rata number of points. The aim is for a mid fleet boat in a big fleet to score the same as mid fleet in a small fleet - I am not looking for comment on this as it has been talked around the horizon and we are we are we are for this trial…

So to my original question - can I select a high point system in Sailwave? I can’t see it as an option. (I’m on version 2.02, build 1)

Steve Vyse
Sussex Yacht Club

Sailwave has many options that are either hidden or grayed out by default. High Point Scoring is one.

Under SETUP|USER INTERFACE check the box for "High point scoring." Now when you go to SETUP\SCORING SYSTEM you will see the stuff for High Point Scoring (note to Colin: it might be better if the High Point stuff was grayed out instead of hidden, in which case a new user would presumably look around trying to figure out how to turn it on rather than asking whether Sailwave can do it at all).

If you are using a custom system you will need to input a formula. Locally we use a system VERY similar to what you describe (see below) and I am attaching a screen shot of our Sailwave formula (which I'll explain below). Also, you will need to determine how to score the various scoring CODES (such as DNC, OCS and DSQ).

MODIFIED PERCENTAGE SYSTEMS

For our summer series, my club uses a so-called "modified percentage system" with its principle characteristic being that the middle boat of every fleet gets the same number of points. A table showing the points is here: http://www.lizzieb.org/scores/sunsetpoints.html

We call this the Sunset Scoring System (after the name of the series, which is the Sunset Series). Points are awarded between a theoretical maximum of 10 and a theoretical minimum of 1 (0 if you don't enter). The middle boat in every fleet gets 5.5 points (exactly halfway between 10 and 1). Points for 1st and last vary based on class size but the idea is that there is one "interval" of points between any two places with 1st being one-half interval below 10 and last being one-half interval above 1. The interval in inversely proportional to class size.

If I understand your idea, every 1st-place boat would always get 20 points. That is why a low-point system is unfair for a long series - the 1st-place boat gets the same points regardless of how many boats they beat. Our Sunset Scoring System varies the points for first based on class size (see the linked page above), making it fundamentally fairer than a low-point type of system when the number of boats racing might change radically from race to race.

Similarly, every last place boat would always get 5 points. That is why a high-point system is unfair for a long series - the last place boat gets the same number of boats regardless of how many boats beat her. The Sunset Scoring System is intended to be an amalgam of low-point and high-point that eliminates the biases of each. I suggest that you consider something along those lines. To me at least, it seems fundamentally unfair to give the 1st boat 20 points regardless of whether they beat 19 other boats or 1 other boat.

I am attaching a picture of the formula from our sailing instructions. If you want I can send a MS Word DOC file directly to you (which might save some time recreating a formula; you could edit to change your numbers). If you did go with the fixed points for 1st and last I'm not sure how to implement in Sailwave as there may be no simple mathematical formula that could be input. I'd have to think about it more and others might have better insight.

Art Engel

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On 3/7/2011 9:49 AM, Steve Vyse wrote:

Apologies if this has been covered in a previous post but Yahoo search in the group is not currently available.

We are trialling the splitting of PY and IRC into fast and slow fleets, with the fast fleets sailing an extra two legs to give them a longer course. Plan is for each fleet to then be scored using the high points system with a win giving 20 points and last 5, with each intervening place delivering a pro-rata number of points. The aim is for a mid fleet boat in a big fleet to score the same as mid fleet in a small fleet - I am not looking for comment on this as it has been talked around the horizon and we are we are we are for this trial...

So to my original question - can I select a high point system in Sailwave? I can't see it as an option. (I'm on version 2.02, build 1)

Steve Vyse
Sussex Yacht Club

Many many thanks to Ian and Art for your help. I am now beavering away again and have suggested to the committee that we trial Art's Highscoring Sunset system which seems to be perfect for our needs. I shall let you know how we get on.

I have now setup Art’s high scoring Sunset system as a trial but have a small issue. When the results are published the scoring system is shown as Appendix A rather than Sunset as I would have expected.

It might be that I took a low scoring event from last year and used that as a template rather than starting from fresh… does anybody have a pointer for me as to how I can change the indicated scoring system to that being used.

I have placed a screen shot below.

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— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Steve Vyse” <steve.vyse@…> wrote:

Many many thanks to Ian and Art for your help. I am now beavering away again and have suggested to the committee that we trial Art’s Highscoring Sunset system which seems to be perfect for our needs. I shall let you know how we get on.

Hi Steve,

You have to change the name manually, in the “Scoring System” window:-

Regards,

Ian Day

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 09 March 2011 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Is it possible to high score?

I have now setup Art’s high scoring Sunset system as a trial but have a small issue. When the results are published the scoring system is shown as Appendix A rather than Sunset as I would have expected.

It might be that I took a low scoring event from last year and used that as a template rather than starting from fresh… does anybody have a pointer for me as to how I can change the indicated scoring system to that being used.

I have placed a screen shot below.

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Steve Vyse” <steve.vyse@…> wrote:

Many many thanks to Ian and Art for your help. I am now beavering away again and have suggested to the committee that we trial Art’s Highscoring Sunset system which seems to be perfect for our needs. I shall let you know how we get on.

Ian,

I have changed it where you suggest - see link to screenshot here>> .

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— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ian Day” <ian54day@…> wrote:

Hi Steve,

You have to change the name manually, in the “Scoring System” window:-

Regards,

Ian Day

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 09 March 2011 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Is it possible to high score?

I have now setup Art’s high scoring Sunset system as a trial but have a
small issue. When the results are published the scoring system is shown as
Appendix A rather than Sunset as I would have expected.

It might be that I took a low scoring event from last year and used that as
a template rather than starting from fresh… does anybody have a pointer
for me as to how I can change the indicated scoring system to that being
used.

I have placed a screen shot below.

webkit-fake-url://4101A07E-9708-41FD-A92B-01714776D703/image.tiff

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Steve Vyse” steve.vyse@ wrote:

Many many thanks to Ian and Art for your help. I am now beavering away
again and have suggested to the committee that we trial Art’s Highscoring
Sunset system which seems to be perfect for our needs. I shall let you know
how we get on.

Hi Steve,

I’m running Sailwave 2.02 Build 5 – if I change the name of the Scoring System in that window, then click “OK”, I get the new name appearing when I next publish the results, even without rescoring. I don’t know of any other parameters or check-boxes to set with regard to the scoring system!

Regards,

Ian Day

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 09 March 2011 11:19
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Is it possible to high score?

Ian,

I have changed it where you suggest - see link to screenshot here>> .

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Ian Day” <ian54day@…> wrote:

Hi Steve,

You have to change the name manually, in the “Scoring System” window:-

Regards,

Ian Day

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 09 March 2011 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Is it possible to high score?

I have now setup Art’s high scoring Sunset system as a trial but have a
small issue. When the results are published the scoring system is shown as
Appendix A rather than Sunset as I would have expected.

It might be that I took a low scoring event from last year and used that as
a template rather than starting from fresh… does anybody have a pointer
for me as to how I can change the indicated scoring system to that being
used.

I have placed a screen shot below.

webkit-fake-url://4101A07E-9708-41FD-A92B-01714776D703/image.tiff

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “Steve Vyse” steve.vyse@ wrote:

Many many thanks to Ian and Art for your help. I am now beavering away
again and have suggested to the committee that we trial Art’s Highscoring
Sunset system which seems to be perfect for our needs. I shall let you know
how we get on.

Ian,

thanks for trying. I just upgraded to 2.02 Build 6 but it makes no difference. It is odd in that the main window and the property bar both display the correct scoring system and I can change what is shown in these, however the scoring system on the results pages remains incorrect.

I suspect there is some legacy settings coming through from the original file I duplicated and used to build from. Unless I hear otherwise I think I need to start a new file from scratch.

Regards
Steve Vyse

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Day" <ian54day@...> wrote:

Hi Steve,

I'm running Sailwave 2.02 Build 5 - if I change the name of the Scoring
System in that window, then click "OK", I get the new name appearing when I
next publish the results, even without rescoring. I don't know of any other
parameters or check-boxes to set with regard to the scoring system!

Regards,

Ian Day