Is there a way to clear or delete a specific result for a specific competitor?

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If you have multiple fleets in a series and one fleet sails fewer
races than the others, the fleet with no finishes in a particular
race is not calculated at all for that race and the result field for
all boats in that fleet are left blank. This is a useful and correct
way to deal with such a situation!

However, should you (accidentally?) enter a finish for a boat from a
fleet not participating in a certain race, then all other boats in
that fleet are automatically scored DNC for that race. To correct
this, one would like to go back and clear the erroneous finish such
that the non-participating fleet changes back to 'blank' instead of
DNC. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it sounds... The only
(or at least, easiest) way I can find to delete a single finish is to
select the competitor with an erroneous entry and use "Edit+Clear
results for selected competitor" and then, re-enter all of the
previous race results for that competitor.

I offer several solutions to this problem, each with its own merits:

1) Include a "No result" (blank) option in the "Edit result..."
window. Presently, if you merely delete the finish place (or time,
etc.), the result defaults to '0' (not 'blank' or DNC) and causes
difficulties later in scoring.

2) Allow the "Clear results for selected competitor" function to also
specify which particular race results are to be cleared. This would
avoid re-entering the previous, correct finishes as described above.

3) Include an option in the "Edit race+Starts" window to omit a given
start (however it may be specified) from the results of the race.
This option has the added utility of allowing you to (after the fact)
omit a particular race from a particular fleet's series due to later
abandonment by the Jury, etc. while retaining the recorded race data
for reference (not to mention other fleets' valid data!).

Cheers,
Kett Cummins
Southern YC
New Orleans, USA

2

We have also run into the same problem with Sailwave 1.57 and 1.58 beta.
Prior to 1.57 you could go to the competitors result and delete erroneous
result, rescore and they would remain blank. We decided to fall back to
Sailwave 1.56 until the problem is resolved in both 1.57 and 1.58.

I believe Colin is working on a fix but I am not sure of the date it will be
available.

Mark Townsend
Alamitos Bay YC
Long Beach, CA

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 11/19/04 00:44:15
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Is there a way to clear or delete a specific result for
a specific competitor?

If you have multiple fleets in a series and one fleet sails fewer
races than the others, the fleet with no finishes in a particular
race is not calculated at all for that race and the result field for
all boats in that fleet are left blank. This is a useful and correct
way to deal with such a situation!

However, should you (accidentally?) enter a finish for a boat from a
fleet not participating in a certain race, then all other boats in
that fleet are automatically scored DNC for that race. To correct
this, one would like to go back and clear the erroneous finish such
that the non-participating fleet changes back to 'blank' instead of
DNC. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it sounds... The only
(or at least, easiest) way I can find to delete a single finish is to
select the competitor with an erroneous entry and use "Edit+Clear
results for selected competitor" and then, re-enter all of the
previous race results for that competitor.

I offer several solutions to this problem, each with its own merits:

1) Include a "No result" (blank) option in the "Edit result..."
window. Presently, if you merely delete the finish place (or time,
etc.), the result defaults to '0' (not 'blank' or DNC) and causes
difficulties later in scoring.

2) Allow the "Clear results for selected competitor" function to also
specify which particular race results are to be cleared. This would
avoid re-entering the previous, correct finishes as described above.

3) Include an option in the "Edit race+Starts" window to omit a given
start (however it may be specified) from the results of the race.
This option has the added utility of allowing you to (after the fact)
omit a particular race from a particular fleet's series due to later
abandonment by the Jury, etc. while retaining the recorded race data
for reference (not to mention other fleets' valid data!).

Cheers,
Kett Cummins
Southern YC
New Orleans, USA

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Thank you, Mark. I don't know how I missed your earlier message on
this topic. The fix that I described (deleting all results for just
the one competitor and re-entering) worked for me with 1.58 -
meaning the fleet's finishes did return to blank.

Kett Cummins

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Townsend"
<s_mark_townsend@h...> wrote:

We have also run into the same problem with Sailwave 1.57 and 1.58

beta.

Prior to 1.57 you could go to the competitors result and delete

erroneous

result, rescore and they would remain blank. We decided to fall

back to

Sailwave 1.56 until the problem is resolved in both 1.57 and 1.58.

I believe Colin is working on a fix but I am not sure of the date

it will be

available.

Mark Townsend
Alamitos Bay YC
Long Beach, CA

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: 11/19/04 00:44:15
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Is there a way to clear or delete a specific

result for

a specific competitor?

If you have multiple fleets in a series and one fleet sails fewer
races than the others, the fleet with no finishes in a particular
race is not calculated at all for that race and the result field

for

all boats in that fleet are left blank. This is a useful and

correct

way to deal with such a situation!

However, should you (accidentally?) enter a finish for a boat from

a

fleet not participating in a certain race, then all other boats in
that fleet are automatically scored DNC for that race. To correct
this, one would like to go back and clear the erroneous finish

such

that the non-participating fleet changes back to 'blank' instead

of

DNC. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it sounds... The

only

(or at least, easiest) way I can find to delete a single finish is

to

select the competitor with an erroneous entry and use "Edit+Clear
results for selected competitor" and then, re-enter all of the
previous race results for that competitor.

I offer several solutions to this problem, each with its own

merits:

1) Include a "No result" (blank) option in the "Edit result..."
window. Presently, if you merely delete the finish place (or time,
etc.), the result defaults to '0' (not 'blank' or DNC) and causes
difficulties later in scoring.

2) Allow the "Clear results for selected competitor" function to

also

specify which particular race results are to be cleared. This

would

avoid re-entering the previous, correct finishes as described

above.

3) Include an option in the "Edit race+Starts" window to omit a

given

start (however it may be specified) from the results of the race.
This option has the added utility of allowing you to (after the

fact)

omit a particular race from a particular fleet's series due to

later

abandonment by the Jury, etc. while retaining the recorded race

data

for reference (not to mention other fleets' valid data!).

Cheers,
Kett Cummins
Southern YC
New Orleans, USA

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Hi Kett,

There is a bug (that simply refuses to lie down and die) that is making this happen - Sailwave is supposed to dump any DNCs it puts in by itself, but for some reason it's quite partial to keeping them and using them the next time a series is scored. At least one of your solutions needs to be implemented anyway and the one I had planned was a clear results with the expression thingy on it - now enhanced to remove the limitations of the current expression thingy. Esentially the expression editor will gradually pervade everywhere so that everything can be done with expressions, include scoring rule or start definitions like "rating > 1101 and rating < 1600" etc etc.

For reference the latest expression editor works like this: you define a list of expressions and choose whether or not a competitor is to be included in the list if ANY or ALL of the the expressions are true. Then is then a facility to make each expression a multi-line expression using AND/OR. You can right-click on the list to select fields and their values so it's pretty quicj to use once you get the hang of it. It will be one of the core parts of Sailwave and as such needs a wodge of help written about it. The help file is something else I'm addresses 'cos I'm loosing tons of users because there is no help.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com

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If you have multiple fleets in a series and one fleet sails fewer races than the others, the fleet with no finishes in a particular race is not calculated at all for that race and the result field for all boats in that fleet are left blank. This is a useful and correct way to deal with such a situation!

However, should you (accidentally?) enter a finish for a boat from a fleet not participating in a certain race, then all other boats in that fleet are automatically scored DNC for that race. To correct this, one would like to go back and clear the erroneous finish such that the non-participating fleet changes back to 'blank' instead of DNC. Unfortunately, this is more difficult than it sounds... The only (or at least, easiest) way I can find to delete a single finish is to select the competitor with an erroneous entry and use "Edit+Clear results for selected competitor" and then, re-enter all of the previous race results for that competitor.

I offer several solutions to this problem, each with its own merits:

1) Include a "No result" (blank) option in the "Edit result..." window. Presently, if you merely delete the finish place (or time, etc.), the result defaults to '0' (not 'blank' or DNC) and causes difficulties later in scoring.

2) Allow the "Clear results for selected competitor" function to also specify which particular race results are to be cleared. This would avoid re-entering the previous, correct finishes as described above.

3) Include an option in the "Edit race+Starts" window to omit a given start (however it may be specified) from the results of the race. This option has the added utility of allowing you to (after the fact) omit a particular race from a particular fleet's series due to later abandonment by the Jury, etc. while retaining the recorded race data for reference (not to mention other fleets' valid data!).

Cheers,
Kett Cummins
Southern YC
New Orleans, USA

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