Issues with points allocated using DNC

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Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

2

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because ISAF appendix A 8.1 refers to tie breaking.

I’m not sure if you are looking for DNC points for a long series, but if you set the DNC method to “Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N (1) places)” it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

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On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 AM sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

3

I think its that for each race, you only have one start, so all the
boats (Fast and Slow) are counted as the no of boats in that start.

Try modifying each race to have two starts, split by fleet.
··· 
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei, South Africa

  On 2019-08-30 11:01, [sailwave] wrote:

Good Morning

            I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF

appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

            Points for place of ( the number of boats in the

biggest start in any one race + N places )

            Problem is, the actual max came to start in the

Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is
allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems


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Thankyou for your response.

This is a series scored over many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in any one race started.

The blw file was attached to the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because ISAF appendix A 8.1 refers to tie breaking.

I’m not sure if you are looking for DNC points for a long series, but if you set the DNC method to “Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N (1) places)” it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

···

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 AM sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

5

Hi Ian,

The attached Sailwave file has the DNC method set for a long series. I’m not sure if this what you are looking for.

Peter

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On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:20 AM Ian Sturland sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thankyou for your response.

This is a series scored over many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in any one race started.

The blw file was attached to the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because ISAF appendix A 8.1 refers to tie breaking.

I’m not sure if you are looking for DNC points for a long series, but if you set the DNC method to “Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N (1) places)” it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 AM sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

6

Hi Ian,

  Peter has from the wording of his reply looked at your .BLW and

made a recommendation.

However, if you are using Appendix A 9 for long series, ** without** a modification in the SI’s, the scoring is correct with 13
points for DNC.

  •     For a series that is held over a period of time longer than a

    regatta, a boat that came to the starting area but did not start ,
    did not finish , retired or was disqualified shall be
    scored point for the finishing place one more than the number of
    boats that came to the starting area.

  •     A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored

    points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats
    entered in the series
    Kind regards,

    Huw

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On 30/08/2019 11:17, Ian Sturland
[sailwave] wrote:

sailrace@sky.com

Thankyou for your response.

            This is a series scored over

many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but
points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the
sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in
any one race started.

            The blw file was attached to

the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

              On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van

Muyden [sailwave]
wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because * ISAF
appendix A 8.1* refers to tie
breaking.

                              I'm

not sure if you are looking for DNC
points for a long series, but if you
set the DNC method to " Points
for place of (the number of starters in
the race + N (1) places) "
it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

                              On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24

AM sailrace@sky.com
[sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com >
wrote:

Good Morning

                                          I am scoring a

standard 2 fleet series
using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

                                          Points for place of (

the number of boats in the
biggest start in any one
race + N places )

                                          Problem is, the

actual max came to start
in the Slow fleet in the
attached blw example is 5
but DNC is allocating 13.

                                          Can anyone provide

any pointers ?

                                          Ian @ Sailrace

Systems


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Hi Ian,

Sailwave is calculating it as you asked

Perhaps this is what you want

image.png

Jon

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Thankyou all

Having looked again, Peter hit the nail on the head,

Read Twice Click One :slight_smile:

Ian

Hi Ian,

  Peter has from the wording of his reply looked at your .BLW and

made a recommendation.

However, if you are using Appendix A 9 for long series, ** without** a modification in the SI’s, the scoring is correct with 13
points for DNC.

  •     For a series that is held over a period of time longer than a

    regatta, a boat that came to the starting area but did not start ,
    did not finish , retired or was disqualified shall be
    scored point for the finishing place one more than the number of
    boats that came to the starting area.

  •     A boat that did not come to the starting area shall be scored

    points for the finishing place one more than the number of boats
    entered in the series
    Kind regards,

    Huw

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On Friday, 30 August 2019, 11:45:10 BST, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 30/08/2019 11:17, Ian Sturland sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:

Thankyou for your response.

            This is a series scored over

many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but
points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the
sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in
any one race started.

            The blw file was attached to

the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

              On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van > Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] > <sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because * ISAF
appendix A 8.1* refers to tie
breaking.

                              I'm

not sure if you are looking for DNC
points for a long series, but if you
set the DNC method to " Points
for place of (the number of starters in
the race + N (1) places) "
it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

                              On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 > AM sailrace@sky.com >                                   [sailwave] <sailwave@yahoogroups.com                                  > > wrote:

Good Morning

                                          I am scoring a

standard 2 fleet series
using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

                                          Points for place of (

the number of boats in the
biggest start in any one
race + N places )

                                          Problem is, the

actual max came to start
in the Slow fleet in the
attached blw example is 5
but DNC is allocating 13.

                                          Can anyone provide

any pointers ?

                                          Ian @ Sailrace

Systems

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Thankyou Jon

Thought we had it but not quite, I am being asked to score DNC as Max Number of starters in any one race in the series in that fleet, choosing that option yields 13 ( with + 1 applied )

Choosing the option below is max starters in that particular race.

So in my blw., for the slow fleet I would expect DNC = 6 across all races ( Max 5 + 1 )

Hope that makes sense

Ian

Hi Ian,

Sailwave is calculating it as you asked

Perhaps this is what you want

image.png

Jon

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On Friday, 30 August 2019, 11:54:04 BST, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 11:20, Ian Sturland sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thankyou for your response.

This is a series scored over many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in any one race started.

The blw file was attached to the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because ISAF appendix A 8.1 refers to tie breaking.

I’m not sure if you are looking for DNC points for a long series, but if you set the DNC method to “Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N (1) places)” it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 AM sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

10

Another query i.c.w. your scoring example - some boats are scored as
SB (Safety Boat?), but this code is not defined in the scoring
system.

··· 
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei, South Africa

  On 2019-08-30 11:01, [sailwave] wrote:

Good Morning

            I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF

appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

            Points for place of ( the number of boats in the

biggest start in any one race + N places )

            Problem is, the actual max came to start in the

Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is
allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems


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Thankyou Malcome

Issue still not resolved btw. All results and codes are passed into sailwave from my race management app that self builds the blw file, the club in question has it in their SI’s that duty team get average points, seeing as the duty team sign on the to race management system at the beginning of each race day, it seemed sensible to pass their cod through.

Will check SB, RO, and ARO as they are the codes appointed, SB and ARO should be set to use code RO

Ian

Another query i.c.w. your scoring example - some boats are scored as

SB (Safety Boat?), but this code is not defined in the scoring
system.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei, South Africa
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On Friday, 30 August 2019, 12:18:29 BST, Malcolm Osborne malcolmo@telkomsa.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 2019-08-30 11:01, sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] wrote:

Good Morning

            I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF

appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

            Points for place of ( the number of boats in the

biggest start in any one race + N places )

            Problem is, the actual max came to start in the

Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is
allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

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Hi Peter

It is a series over many weeks, alot of clubs has ‘Events’ such a a Summer Points, Spring Handicap etc that run over a few months with races every week.

ian

Hi Ian,

The attached Sailwave file has the DNC method set for a long series. I’m not sure if this what you are looking for.

Peter

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On Friday, 30 August 2019, 11:37:10 BST, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:20 AM Ian Sturland sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thankyou for your response.

This is a series scored over many weeks, multiple races. DNC is set as indicated, but points are coming out as 13 in this case which is the sum of all competitors across the series + 1 not max in any one race started.

The blw file was attached to the original post if you wish to take a look ?

KR

Ian

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 10:56:27 BST, Peter van Muyden pvanmuyden@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Hi Ian,

I’m a little confused because ISAF appendix A 8.1 refers to tie breaking.

I’m not sure if you are looking for DNC points for a long series, but if you set the DNC method to “Points for place of (the number of starters in the race + N (1) places)” it will score 6 points as expected.

Cheers,

Peter

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 6:24 AM sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Good Morning

I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

Points for place of ( the number of boats in the biggest start in any one race + N places )

Problem is, the actual max came to start in the Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

13

Hi Ian,

If you want to do something unusual you can of course set the DNC namually for each fleet

Regards

Jon

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Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233

14

Thankyou Jon

I have thought of that, but by some experimentation the setting below dies the trick, need to read the wording carefully :slight_smile: ( Max Number instead of biggest )

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Hi Ian,

If you want to do something unusual you can of course set the DNC namually for each fleet

Regards

Jon

Jon Eskdale

03333 443377

07530 112233

···

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 14:19:25 BST, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

On Fri, 30 Aug 2019 at 13:30, Ian Sturland sailrace@sky.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Thankyou Malcome

Issue still not resolved btw. All results and codes are passed into sailwave from my race management app that self builds the blw file, the club in question has it in their SI’s that duty team get average points, seeing as the duty team sign on the to race management system at the beginning of each race day, it seemed sensible to pass their cod through.

Will check SB, RO, and ARO as they are the codes appointed, SB and ARO should be set to use code RO

Ian

On Friday, 30 August 2019, 12:18:29 BST, Malcolm Osborne malcolmo@telkomsa.net [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Another query i.c.w. your scoring example - some boats are scored as

SB (Safety Boat?), but this code is not defined in the scoring
system.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei, South Africa

On 2019-08-30 11:01, sailrace@sky.com > [sailwave] wrote:

Good Morning

            I am scoring a standard 2 fleet series using ISAF

appendix A 8.1

DNC code is set as :

            Points for place of ( the number of boats in the

biggest start in any one race + N places )

            Problem is, the actual max came to start in the

Slow fleet in the attached blw example is 5 but DNC is
allocating 13.

Can anyone provide any pointers ?

Ian @ Sailrace Systems

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Hi – I need to merge two separate series for weeks points – can you advise me as to how to do that please – I’ve tried using the merge but only ended up with some duplicated competitors and only one extra race included?

Many thanks

Annie

16

Hi Annie,

  I suspect it is just the options that have been chosen that is

causing the problem.

  I have just done a quick test and merged two Sailwave files and

got what I expected. I used option one in the merge window and
then checked match on sail number and helm.

  If you are still having problems then if you send me the two

files and let me know which is the file you want to have the as
the one having the other data merged in, I will have a look and
see what I can see.

Kind regards,

Huw

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On 30/08/2019 22:34, Annie Reid
[sailwave] wrote:

annie@anniereid.co.uk

          Hi – I need to merge two separate series for weeks

points – can you advise me as to how to do that please –
I’ve tried using the merge but only ended up with some
duplicated competitors and only one extra race included?

Many thanks

Annie


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