Jooma Integration

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1

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using.

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?

  4.        What other functionality would be useful.

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

2

Hi,

This will be excellent – waiting a long time for this (Stone Sailing Club)

Please see below.

Regards

Eddie

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Mountifield
Sent: 17 November 2010 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using. Currently using 1.5.21 but I think 1.6 is out now.  I am sure that 1.5 will be around for a long time

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.  This depends on all the 3<sup>rd</sup> party items if they will run on 1.6

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?User who publish the results must be able to do it via the frontend login. Also available via the backend for administrators

  4.        What other functionality would be useful. For us, a button to click, the files gets uploaded to the dedicated content space on Joomla and from my Joomla menu I will have a link to the results page.  Create a backup of the existing file and then over-write with the new.  Maybe a rollback would be good as well

This is just a brief outline. If you need more info, I can provide you with that

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

3

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using.

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?

  4.        What other functionality would be useful.

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

4

Hi Eddie,

Thanks for the reply. That’s exactly the kind of information that I’m looking for.

As I start to formulate a plan I’m sure I’ll have more questions.

Cheers

Keith

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eddie Aldridge
Sent: 17 November 2010 11:32
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi,

This will be excellent – waiting a long time for this (Stone Sailing Club)

Please see below.

Regards

Eddie

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Mountifield
Sent: 17 November 2010 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using. Currently using 1.5.21 but I think 1.6 is out now.  I am sure that 1.5 will be around for a long time

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.  This depends on all the 3<sup>rd</sup> party items if they will run on 1.6

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?  User who publish the results must be able to do it via the frontend login. Also available via the backend for administrators

  4.        What other functionality would be useful. For us, a button to click, the files gets uploaded to the dedicated content space on Joomla and from my Joomla menu I will have a link to the results page.  Create a backup of the existing file and then over-write with the new.  Maybe a rollback would be good as well

This is just a brief outline. If you need more info, I can provide you with that

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

5

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your reply.

When you say ‘being able to include the results in the menus’, do you mean linking to each individual results page from within a Joomla menu, or automatically building them in as sub-menu items? Or a seperate module?

The creation and synchronisation of the actual sailwave file itself is something that I’ve been thinking about. I’m not sure that it would come into the first version of the component. My long term aim is to build an online entry system that would automatically create the sailwave file on demand. But that really is in the future…

Cheers

Keith

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Vyse
Sent: 17 November 2010 11:41
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi,

at www.sussexyachtclub.org.uk I am running Joomla 1.5.22 and would certainly upgrade to 1.6 when it arrives (dependent on matching upgrades to components).

I have integrated with Sailwave on a very basic level;

There are watched folders on the server into which Sailwave drops the HTML.

Joomla reads the page title and renders this as a link to the results pages.

This works for us as there are still some diehards who insist on creating Excel HTML rather than using Sailwave and this method allows us to include these files as well.

System works really well for us but I’d be interested in any developments you may have in mind - being able to include the results in the menus would be excellent as this would also allow the Joomla search to work.

Being able to publish competitor details including handicaps etc would also be really useful so that Sailwave and website could be kept in sync.

Regards

–
Steve Vyse

On 17 Nov 2010, at 10:59, Keith Mountifield wrote:

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using.

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?

  4.        What other functionality would be useful.

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

6

This is a very intriguing idea!

One concern would be to maintain the ease & consistency of printing using the PDF conversion feature of Joomla.

We are currently still using Joomla 1.0 and long overdue for an upgrade to whatever is the latest version.

Kett Cummins
Southern Yacht Club

7

I’m currently using Joomla! 1.5.15.

  • html outputs are published using the wrapper, the problem is usually that results are wide, so a full-width template is required and results pages don’t have a left and right column in use, only top menu.
  • Integration requires anyway a manual intervention in the menu or on a summary page.
  • there should be a dedicated css
    Phil
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----- Original Message -----

From:
Keith Mountifield

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:59 AM

Subject: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using.

  1.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.

  1.        What sort of administration would you like to see?

  1.        What other functionality would be useful.

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

8

Hi,

This will be excellent – waiting a long time for this (Stone Sailing Club)

Please see below.

Regards

Eddie

···

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Mountifield
Sent: 17 November 2010 11:00
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Jooma Integration

Hi All,

I’m considering creating a Joomla component to integrate sailwave results more tightly into Joomla, particularly to allow some administration along with easy inclusion of results into Joomla content.

I’d be interested in knowing what other users would like to see in such a component and what, if anything, others have done along these lines.

Questions that I would like to ask initially are:

  1.        What version of Joomla people are currently using. Currently using 1.5.21 but I think 1.6 is out now.  I am sure that 1.5 will be around for a long time

  2.        Do you have plans to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.  This depends on all the 3<sup>rd</sup> party items if they will run on 1.6

  3.        What sort of administration would you like to see?  User who publish the results must be able to do it via the frontend login. Also available via the backend for administrators

  4.        What other functionality would be useful. For us, a button to click, the files gets uploaded to the dedicated content space on Joomla and from my Joomla menu I will have a link to the results page.  Create a backup of the existing file and then over-write with the new.  Maybe a rollback would be good as well

This is just a brief outline. If you need more info, I can provide you with that

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback / thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I’d also be interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with this project.

Cheers

Keith

9

Missed the OP for this. Back In June I posted this:

For a little while
I've been pondering how best to integrate Sailwave
Results into a CMS
like Joomla. The gold standard would be to have a
Joomla Extension that
took the results and then let you do all sorts of
stuff like search for
competitors... that'd take a fair bit of coding.

Some people are copying
the html into an 'article' which of course
works. But sailwave has
publishing potential which shoudl be much
simpler than logging into a CMS
and creating articles. *SO* my
suggestion is to FTP the result over with
Sailwave. BUT Joomla can't
just cope with listing that, and although you
could just allow directory
listign on the ftp folder its hardly clean and
integrated into the
website. The solutiobn is to create a little menu
building service that
can look in the sailwave results folder where
sailwave FTPd them and
then list them. With years of results you'll
probably want to list them
by year.

So I wrote a tiny piece of PHP top
take those results and create a
menu... For now its sat on one of my test
servers here:
php5.chemo.org.uk - its running joomla, but uses NO joomla
code to show
the results - they are simply wrapping
php5.chemo.org.uk/sailwave in an
iframe.

It uses a standardised naming
convention to do the listing:

YEAR-Results_name.htm is the format of the
results page file name, and
they are uploaded to ../sailwave/results

if
anyone wants the code its freely available from the site at:

http://php5.chemo.org.uk/images/files/sailwavemenu-0.1.zip [1]

Code
released as GPL v2.0 or later. Critique welcome.

(You don't even need a
CMS to make use of this... you could simply wrap
an iframe round it in a
flat format site too.)

Calum

AIM WAS PURELY A VERY QUICK "MENU" FOR
RESULTS. HOWEVER I COMPLETELY AGREE WE COULD BENEFIT FROM A CMS SOLUTION.
MY CLUB DOESN'T CURRENTLY USE A CMS (DONT ASK!) BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO
CONTRIBUTE TO THE PROJECT. I HAVE CODED SOME JOOMLA BEFORE. DID A BIT OF
WORK WITH AEC - AND COULD SEE HOW IT MIGHT BE INTEGRATED TO TAKE
REGISTRATION PAYMENTS ETC.

See below for my thoughts...

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:31:50 -0000, "Eddie Aldridge" wrote:

1. What version of
Joomla people are currently using.

IF YOU WRITE SOMETHING FOR 1.5.X IT
SHOULD BE REASONABLY SIMPLE TO PORT TO 1.6.X - NOT LIKE 1.0.X TO 1.5.X

1.0.X IS DEAD NOW SO SHOULDN'T BE USED TO DEVELOP, WHICH MAKES LIFE
EASIER CAUSE YOU CAN USE THE MVC MODEL IN 1.5 TO BETTER EFFECT.

NOOKU
FRAMEWORK SEEMS TO HAVE A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT IT AT THE MINUTE IN THE J!
WORLD AND WOULD APPARENTLY MAKE THIS BETTER STILL...

2. Do you have plans
to upgrade to Joomla 1.6 once it's released as a stable version.

It
would be daft not to be planning for a component to be released in beta in
April to be 1.6 native - givenit will be what anyone installs on a new
site. BUT if it was backwards compat that would make sense as has already
been said - if the 3PD Components aren't upgraded people get stuck in
limbo.

3. What sort of administration would you like to see?

I CAN SEE
AN ADVANTAGE TO BEIGN ABLE TO DO A LOT MORE THAN JUST RESULTS... ...BUT
BEAR IN MIND COLIN'S PLANS FOR MYSAIL /ONLINE SAILWAVE VS
SAILWAVE4WINDOWS.

4. What other functionality would be useful.

THERE
WOULD BE TWO OPTIONS - UPLOAD RESULT FROM SAILWAVE TO J! OR UPLOAD THE
WHOLE .BLW FILE TO J! UPLOADING THE RESULT MEANS WRITING STUFF INTO
SAILWAVE AND THAT MEANS YOU NEED COLIN TO BE ONBOARD BUT BE AWARE OF THE
DEVELOPMENT TRACK OF SAILWAVE.

HOWEVER, THE .BLW FILE IS AN XML FILE. IT
SHOULD BE POSSIBLE TO UPLAOD THE WHOLE FILE, PARSE IT, EDIT IT ONLINE (TOLD
YOU I WANTED LOTS MORE!!), AND READ OUT RESULTS. MY REASON FOR SUGGESTING
THIS IS THAT I HAVE SEVERAL PEOPLE WHO MAY UPDATE RESULTS FROM ACROSS
DIFFERENT COMPUTERS - I'D SUGGEST WE HAVE THE BLW ON THE WEB AND PULL IT
OFF INTO SAILWAVE IF NEEDED AND THEN RE-UPLOAD.

MY ONLY CONCERN IS THERE
IS SOME POTENTIALLY SENSITIVE DATA IN THE BLW FILE. MEDICAL INFO ETC. SO I
THINK THE SAFEST APPROACH WOULD BE TO PUT THE FILE IN THE SQL TABLE AS A
BLOB AND THEN PULL IT OUT WHEN NEEDED TO WORK ON. BUT NOT SURE THATS
EFFICIENT.

I CAN SEE A LOT OF LOGIC TO ALLOW ON-LINE SIGN UP WHICH WOULD
POPULATE INTO THE BLW FILE...

ALL RESULTS SHOULD BE LINKED BY AS MANY
MEANS AS POSSIBLE. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK MY NAME AND SAY FIND ALL
RESULTS FOR ME.

AGREE THE RESULTS NEED TO BE ADDED TO THE MENU SYSTEM
AUTOMATICALLY...

So i'd have results viewing, results entry online as
well.

This is only an embryonic idea at this stage, but any feeback /
thoughts would be useful. IF I get the project off the ground, I would hope
to have a first beta ready for release for Easter next year.

I'd also be
interested in collaborating, if anyone else is interested in helping with
this project.

HAPPY TO COLLABORATE - IF YOU SET IT UP ON JOOMLAFORGE OR
SOMETHING DROP ME SOME SVN DETAILS?

Just had a baby boy so short on
development hours but would be keen to be part of it if I can,..

Cheers

Keith

Links:
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[1]
http://php5.chemo.org.uk/images/files/sailwavemenu-0.1.zip
[2]
mailto:eddie.aldridge@btinternet.com?subject=RE: [sailwave] Jooma
Integration
[3] mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com?subject=RE: [sailwave]
Jooma Integration
[4]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxNW5sYm5mBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzEwNjI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI4OTk5MzUyNg--?act=reply&messageNum=10625
[5]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlaGJwZHVqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI4OTk5MzUyNg--
[6]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/message/10624;_ylc=X3oDMTM2N3R2ZGR1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBG1zZ0lkAzEwNjI1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI4OTk5MzUyNgR0cGNJZAMxMDYyNA--
[7]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmbG1tMmwyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyODk5OTM1MjY-?o=6
[8]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sailwave;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcWc4a3NqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc3RpbWUDMTI4OTk5MzUyNg--
[9]
http://www.yachtsandyachting.com/
[10] http://www.sailing.org/
[11]
http://www.sailwave.com/
[12] http://sailwave.com/help/HTML
[13]
http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf
[14]
http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkdG83MWM4BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMwODY1MzAEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDY1NzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjg5OTkzNTI2
[15]
mailto:sailwave-traditional@yahoogroups.com?subject=Change Delivery
Format: Traditional
[16]
mailto:sailwave-digest@yahoogroups.com?subject=Email Delivery: Digest
[17]
mailto:sailwave-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe
[18]
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

10

A bit off topic (sorry).

Currently we provide 2 bog standard digital stop watches on each committee boat. After a year of being dropped in the bilges etc they tend to need replaced. We are reluctant to replace with fancier watches as we think they’ll grow legs.

I’m keen to install a 12V Clock on each boat so that times could just be recorded in real times and sailwave will do the hard work. But I’d need one with either a battery or 12V, HH:MM:SS display and it to be readable on board in sun. Does such a beast exist for under £50?

I also fancy a big roof top LED display for the pursuit races - anyone found a supply that wont bankrupt us?

What are other clubs using to do the timing?

C

11

Hi, can you send this image n manual book?, and at whow price and shipping cost to Indonesia

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Regards

Sugianto

+628179967605

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:36 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] OT: Stopwatches / Clocks for Committee Boats

A bit off topic (sorry).

Currently we provide 2 bog standard digital stop watches on each committee boat. After a year of being dropped in the bilges etc they tend to need replaced. We are reluctant to replace with fancier watches as we think they’ll grow legs.

I’m keen to install a 12V Clock on each boat so that times could just be recorded in real times and sailwave will do the hard work. But I’d need one with either a battery or 12V, HH:MM:SS display and it to be readable on board in sun. Does such a beast
exist for under £50?

I also fancy a big roof top LED display for the pursuit races - anyone found a supply that wont bankrupt us?

What are other clubs using to do the timing?

C

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12

I just use the radio controlled digital kitchen clocks or alarm clocks for any store. Each scorer can have one, and the bigger ones can be fixed any whare. They all tell the same time.

Just get them all updated before the event so they do not go into auto update mode.

Mike Butterfield IRO IU IJ

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From: yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:35 AM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] OT: Stopwatches / Clocks for Committee Boats

A bit off topic (sorry).

Currently we provide 2 bog standard digital stop watches on each committee boat. After a year of being dropped in the bilges etc they tend to need replaced. We are reluctant to replace with fancier watches as we think they’ll grow legs.

I’m keen to install a 12V Clock on each boat so that times could just be recorded in real times and sailwave will do the hard work. But I’d need one with either a battery or 12V, HH:MM:SS display and it to be readable on board in sun. Does such a beast exist for under £50?

I also fancy a big roof top LED display for the pursuit races - anyone found a supply that wont bankrupt us?

What are other clubs using to do the timing?

C

13

I use the same. Radio kitchen clocks. I purchased 4 from Lidle and Asda ar less than £15.00 each. They all show the same time, they may not be very robust but with 4 on the go no matter what happens one will always be working.

David Furr

Flushing Sailing Club

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To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: pmbutterfield@msn.com
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 05:25:47 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] OT: Stopwatches / Clocks for Committee Boats

I just use the radio controlled digital kitchen clocks or alarm clocks for any store. Each scorer can have one, and the bigger ones can be fixed any whare. They all tell the same time.

Just get them all updated before the event so they do not go into auto update mode.

Mike Butterfield IRO IU IJ

From: yahoo@wittongilbert.free-online.co.uk

Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:35 AM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] OT: Stopwatches / Clocks for Committee Boats

A bit off topic (sorry).
Currently we provide 2 bog standard digital stop watches on each committee boat. After a year of being dropped in the bilges etc they tend to need replaced. We are reluctant to replace with fancier watches as we think they’ll grow legs.
I’m keen to install a 12V Clock on each boat so that times could just be recorded in real times and sailwave will do the hard work. But I’d need one with either a battery or 12V, HH:MM:SS display and it to be readable on board in sun. Does such a beast exist for under £50?
I also fancy a big roof top LED display for the pursuit races - anyone found a supply that wont bankrupt us?
What are other clubs using to do the timing?

C

14

Lancing SC uses a digital LCD battery (AA? - lasts a couple of years) powered clock with BIG numbers in it's race control. The clock is 'radio controlled' so no debates about the 'real' time. Not checked the screen with bright sunlight on it though, but LCD should be OK, IME. Definitely not water resistant, though :frowning:
HTH

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, <yahoo@...> wrote:

What are
other clubs using to do the timing?