I have to score an International Moth skiff regatta. In the worlds

sailing instructions is written:

" 4.1 For races where the course is shortened or where all boats do

not complete the same number of laps the following will apply in

determining the finishing order;

(a) Boats completing the same number of laps as the first finishing

boat will be scored in the order that they cross the Finish Line.

e.g. 1,2,3,4,5,
..

(b) Boats completing 1 lap less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) above have been scored, and in the order they last

crossed the finish line. e.g. 6,7,8,9,10,11
.

(c) Boats completing 2 laps less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) and (b) above have been scored, and in the order

they last crossed the finish line. e.g. 12,13,14,15,
.

(d) The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or

not the first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties

(eg. OCS, ZFP, SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

Any suggestion to use Sailwave to input the finishing order and the

laps number, in order to obtain the finishing position?

Thanks, Roberto Armellin

Hi Roberto,

I can't think of a way that the laps field is going to help you; well not a

nice solution anyway. I think the best approach is to ask the RO to clearly

show 3 groups of boats, either by 3 sets of sail numbers or by adding -1

or -2 (say), if appropriate, next to each sail number. Then when entering

the sail numbers into the sailno wiz, do the boats that did the max laps

first, then the -1 boats, then the -2s; Sailwave will increment places

correctly. Make sure your start record (in Edit+Race) is set to record

Places.

Somebody else may come up with a nattier solution...

Good luck,

Colin

www.sailwave.com

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Sent: 19 July 2005 08:23

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] LapsI have to score an International Moth skiff regatta. In the worlds

sailing instructions is written:

" 4.1 For races where the course is shortened or where all boats do

not complete the same number of laps the following will apply in

determining the finishing order;

(a) Boats completing the same number of laps as the first finishing

boat will be scored in the order that they cross the Finish Line.

e.g. 1,2,3,4,5,�..

(b) Boats completing 1 lap less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) above have been scored, and in the order they last

crossed the finish line. e.g. 6,7,8,9,10,11��.

(c) Boats completing 2 laps less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) and (b) above have been scored, and in the order

they last crossed the finish line. e.g. 12,13,14,15,��.

(d) The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or

not the first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties

(eg. OCS, ZFP, SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

Any suggestion to use Sailwave to input the finishing order and the

laps number, in order to obtain the finishing position?

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Assuming that the results are scored as a one-design then it should be a

simple mater of putting the results in the order they finish. All the boats

that completed the full course, followed by the boats that completed one

less lap, then the boats that completed two less laps, etc. So if your

rotation sheet shows the following finish order

1092 (3 laps)

1193 (2 laps)

1242 (2 laps)

1292 (2 laps)

1213 (3 laps)

1231 (3 laps)

1181 (2 laps)

1471 (3 laps)

In the sail wizard enter all the boats that completed three laps 1092, 1213,

1231, and 1471 followed by the boats that completed two' laps 1193, 1242,

1292, and 1181.

I am curious as to why rule (d) exists and why only the first finishing

boat.

"The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or not the

first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties (eg. OCS, ZFP,

SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

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Of roberto_armellin

Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:23 AM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Laps

I have to score an International Moth skiff regatta. In the worlds

sailing instructions is written:

" 4.1 For races where the course is shortened or where all boats do

not complete the same number of laps the following will apply in

determining the finishing order;

(a) Boats completing the same number of laps as the first finishing

boat will be scored in the order that they cross the Finish Line.

e.g. 1,2,3,4,5,...

(b) Boats completing 1 lap less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) above have been scored, and in the order they last

crossed the finish line. e.g. 6,7,8,9,10,11...

(c) Boats completing 2 laps less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) and (b) above have been scored, and in the order

they last crossed the finish line. e.g. 12,13,14,15,...

(d) The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or

not the first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties

(eg. OCS, ZFP, SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

Any suggestion to use Sailwave to input the finishing order and the

laps number, in order to obtain the finishing position?

Thanks, Roberto Armellin

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I have used Colin's solution on a number of occasions.

It is all about the finishing list(s) which you give to the scorer.

The problem comes when a 2 lap boat crosses the line in between two 3 lap boats etc etc

If this is an issue, why not approach the regatta as though it was a General Handicap?

All boats will obviously have the same PY

Enter 'finishing' times where the next boat is 1 second more than the previous & the laps completed.

This should (I think) give you finishing places based upon average lap times & the desired result

You may need to play with the times you enter.

Regards

Ralph

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From: Colin Jenkins [mailto:colin@sailwave.com]

Sent: 19 July 2005 09:05

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: RE: [sailwave] Laps

Hi Roberto,

I can't think of a way that the laps field is going to help you; well not a

nice solution anyway. I think the best approach is to ask the RO to clearly

show 3 groups of boats, either by 3 sets of sail numbers or by adding -1

or -2 (say), if appropriate, next to each sail number. Then when entering

the sail numbers into the sailno wiz, do the boats that did the max laps

first, then the -1 boats, then the -2s; Sailwave will increment places

correctly. Make sure your start record (in Edit+Race) is set to record

Places.

Somebody else may come up with a nattier solution...

Good luck,

Colin

www.sailwave.com

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Behalf Of roberto_armellin

Sent: 19 July 2005 08:23

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] LapsI have to score an International Moth skiff regatta. In the worlds

sailing instructions is written:

" 4.1 For races where the course is shortened or where all boats do

not complete the same number of laps the following will apply in

determining the finishing order;

(a) Boats completing the same number of laps as the first finishing

boat will be scored in the order that they cross the Finish Line.

e.g. 1,2,3,4,5,�..

(b) Boats completing 1 lap less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) above have been scored, and in the order they last

crossed the finish line. e.g. 6,7,8,9,10,11��.

(c) Boats completing 2 laps less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) and (b) above have been scored, and in the order

they last crossed the finish line. e.g. 12,13,14,15,��.

(d) The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or

not the first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties

(eg. OCS, ZFP, SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

Any suggestion to use Sailwave to input the finishing order and the

laps number, in order to obtain the finishing position?

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Hi Mark!

You did identify and explain exactly my need.

In my opinion this SI is very useful for skiff class races to avoid too much

DNF scored boats because their frequent capsizing and time loose (The Race

Officer who likes to apply such a rule has to remember to put in writing

something about that the rule 28.1 is changed).

The rule (d) exist because of RRS 89.3(a), just to fix a time limit.

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Mark Townsend

Inviato: martedì 19 luglio 2005 17.30

A: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Oggetto: RE: [sailwave] Laps

Assuming that the results are scored as a one-design then it should be a

simple mater of putting the results in the order they finish. All the boats

that completed the full course, followed by the boats that completed one

less lap, then the boats that completed two less laps, etc. So if your

rotation sheet shows the following finish order

1092 (3 laps)

1193 (2 laps)

1242 (2 laps)

1292 (2 laps)

1213 (3 laps)

1231 (3 laps)

1181 (2 laps)

1471 (3 laps)

In the sail wizard enter all the boats that completed three laps 1092, 1213,

1231, and 1471 followed by the boats that completed two' laps 1193, 1242,

1292, and 1181.

I am curious as to why rule (d) exists and why only the first finishing

boat.

"The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or not the

first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties (eg. OCS, ZFP,

SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of roberto_armellin

Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 12:23 AM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] Laps

I have to score an International Moth skiff regatta. In the worlds

sailing instructions is written:

" 4.1 For races where the course is shortened or where all boats do

not complete the same number of laps the following will apply in

determining the finishing order;

(a) Boats completing the same number of laps as the first finishing

boat will be scored in the order that they cross the Finish Line.

e.g. 1,2,3,4,5,...

(b) Boats completing 1 lap less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) above have been scored, and in the order they last

crossed the finish line. e.g. 6,7,8,9,10,11...

(c) Boats completing 2 laps less than the first boat will awarded a

finishing place equal to the next available place after all boats

complying with (a) and (b) above have been scored, and in the order

they last crossed the finish line. e.g. 12,13,14,15,...

(d) The above method of scoring will apply regardless of whether or

not the first finishing boat is subjected to any scoring penalties

(eg. OCS, ZFP, SCP, RAF, DSQ, DNE)."

Any suggestion to use Sailwave to input the finishing order and the

laps number, in order to obtain the finishing position?

Thanks, Roberto Armellin

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