laser master fleet handicapping

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I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using 'Class' as 'Laser Master' and in the 'fleet' entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is 'A' (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can't get it to work...

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

2

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master’s are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

 APP (Apprentice)

 MST (Master)

 GM (Grand Master)

 GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using ‘Class’ as ‘Laser Master’ and in the ‘fleet’ entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is ‘A’ (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can’t get it to work…

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

3

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of 'missing expression'. But they don't say which one (certainly not the one's i've been using! :slight_smile:

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@...> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master's are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

 APP (Apprentice)

 MST (Master)

 GM (Grand Master)

 GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: <mailto:s_mark_townsend@…> s_mark_townsend@…

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using 'Class' as 'Laser Master' and in the 'fleet' entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is 'A' (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can't get it to work...

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

4

Paul,

Send me a copy of the .blw file I would be happy to take a look at the Sailwave file and see if I can help.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 3:46 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: laser master fleet handicapping

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of ‘missing expression’. But they don’t say which one (certainly not the one’s i’ve been using! :slight_smile:

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend <s_mark_townsend@…> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master’s are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

ï‚· APP (Apprentice)

ï‚· MST (Master)

ï‚· GM (Grand Master)

ï‚· GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: mailto:s_mark_townsend@... s_mark_townsend@…

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using ‘Class’ as ‘Laser Master’ and in the ‘fleet’ entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is ‘A’ (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can’t get it to work…

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

5

I tried something similar and I don't get a "missing expression" error but it doesn't work anyway.

Re: missing expression error - presumably, one of your Fleets doesn't have a formula. APP would be "P+3"; MST would be "P+2"; GM would be "P+1"; and, GGM would be "P" [just the stuff between the quotes].

Re: It Doesn't Work Anyway - I assume (I'm not a Laser sailor) that you want all the boats to be scored in one big "Class" but with points determined by "Fleet." To get different points for each Fleet you have to score "by Fleet." But, when you do that it ignores the boats NOT in that Fleet so the places get messed up. It doesn't seem to work.

I don't know enough about Sailwave to say whether or not it is possible to do it your way but I suspect not. I don't believe you can have conditional scoring based on whether a boat meets some criteria (like which Fleet she is in), which is what you want. On the other hand, Mark has pointed out a good work-around. Now if I could only get Mark to help me with how to score my season championship using Sailwave! :slight_smile:

Art

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On 7/2/2012 3:45 PM, Paul Evenden wrote:

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of 'missing expression'. But they don't say which one (certainly not the one's i've been using! :slight_smile:

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend<s_mark_townsend@...> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master's are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

 APP (Apprentice)

 MST (Master)

 GM (Grand Master)

 GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email:<mailto:s_mark_townsend@…> s_mark_townsend@…

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using 'Class' as 'Laser Master' and in the 'fleet' entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is 'A' (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can't get it to work...

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

6

This system does work - its been used at Laser Master regatttas.

Scoring is done as a single group, no fleets. The additional (non-discardable) "race' holds the points for handicapping.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

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On 2012/07/03 02:29, Art Engel wrote:

I tried something similar and I don't get a "missing expression" error
but it doesn't work anyway.

Re: missing expression error - presumably, one of your Fleets doesn't
have a formula. APP would be "P+3"; MST would be "P+2"; GM would be
"P+1"; and, GGM would be "P" [just the stuff between the quotes].

Re: It Doesn't Work Anyway - I assume (I'm not a Laser sailor) that you
want all the boats to be scored in one big "Class" but with points
determined by "Fleet." To get different points for each Fleet you have
to score "by Fleet." But, when you do that it ignores the boats NOT in
that Fleet so the places get messed up. It doesn't seem to work.

I don't know enough about Sailwave to say whether or not it is possible
to do it your way but I suspect not. I don't believe you can have
conditional scoring based on whether a boat meets some criteria (like
which Fleet she is in), which is what you want. On the other hand, Mark
has pointed out a good work-around. Now if I could only get Mark to help
me with how to score my season championship using Sailwave! :slight_smile:

Art

On 7/2/2012 3:45 PM, Paul Evenden wrote:

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of 'missing expression'. But they don't say which one (certainly not the one's i've been using! :slight_smile:

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend<s_mark_townsend@...> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master's are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

 APP (Apprentice)

 MST (Master)

 GM (Grand Master)

 GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email:<mailto:s_mark_townsend@…> s_mark_townsend@…

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using 'Class' as 'Laser Master' and in the 'fleet' entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is 'A' (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can't get it to work...

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

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Of course, you mean the work-around described by Mark -- not the method Paul Evenden was trying to use. I'd be interested if that works also. Art

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On 7/2/2012 7:19 PM, Malcolm Osborne wrote:

This system does work - its been used at Laser Master regatttas.

Scoring is done as a single group, no fleets. The additional
(non-discardable) "race' holds the points for handicapping.

regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Sedgefield South Africa

On 2012/07/03 02:29, Art Engel wrote:

I tried something similar and I don't get a "missing expression" error
but it doesn't work anyway.

Re: missing expression error - presumably, one of your Fleets doesn't
have a formula. APP would be "P+3"; MST would be "P+2"; GM would be
"P+1"; and, GGM would be "P" [just the stuff between the quotes].

Re: It Doesn't Work Anyway - I assume (I'm not a Laser sailor) that you
want all the boats to be scored in one big "Class" but with points
determined by "Fleet." To get different points for each Fleet you have
to score "by Fleet." But, when you do that it ignores the boats NOT in
that Fleet so the places get messed up. It doesn't seem to work.

I don't know enough about Sailwave to say whether or not it is possible
to do it your way but I suspect not. I don't believe you can have
conditional scoring based on whether a boat meets some criteria (like
which Fleet she is in), which is what you want. On the other hand, Mark
has pointed out a good work-around. Now if I could only get Mark to help
me with how to score my season championship using Sailwave! :slight_smile:

Art

On 7/2/2012 3:45 PM, Paul Evenden wrote:

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of 'missing expression'. But they don't say which one (certainly not the one's i've been using! :slight_smile:

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend<s_mark_townsend@...> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master's are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

 APP (Apprentice)

 MST (Master)

 GM (Grand Master)

 GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909
Email:<mailto:s_mark_townsend@…> s_mark_townsend@…

From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Evenden
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.
i have entered each competitor using 'Class' as 'Laser Master' and in the 'fleet' entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:
Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is 'A' (or M, GM, or GGM)
Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can't get it to work...

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

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The way in which Laser Masters have scored in the past is described in the Sailwave User Guide. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf

The method you are using is different to the one which was used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

APP (Apprentice)

MST (Master)

GM (Grand Master)

GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be Scored a fixed number of Points per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to Handicap or H’cap. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the Handicap race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check This race is not discardable.

Mark Townsend

Phone: 562-433-4366

Cell: 562-533-5909

Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Art Engel
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 5:29 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: laser master fleet handicapping

I tried something similar and I don’t get a “missing expression” error but it doesn’t work anyway.

Re: missing expression error - presumably, one of your Fleets doesn’t have a formula. APP would be “P+3”; MST would be “P+2”; GM would be “P+1”; and, GGM would be “P” [just the stuff between the quotes].

Re: It Doesn’t Work Anyway - I assume (I’m not a Laser sailor) that you want all the boats to be scored in one big “Class” but with points determined by “Fleet.” To get different points for each Fleet you have to score “by Fleet.” But, when you do that it ignores the boats NOT in that Fleet so the places get messed up. It doesn’t seem to work.

I don’t know enough about Sailwave to say whether or not it is possible to do it your way but I suspect not. I don’t believe you can have conditional scoring based on whether a boat meets some criteria (like which Fleet she is in), which is what you want. On the other hand, Mark has pointed out a good work-around. Now if I could only get Mark to help me with how to score my season championship using Sailwave! :slight_smile:

Art

On 7/2/2012 3:45 PM, Paul Evenden wrote:

One would think it would work, but i keep getting a message of

‘missing expression’. But they don’t say which one (certainly not the

one’s i’ve been using! :slight_smile:

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, S Mark Townsend<s_mark_townsend@…> wrote:

The method you are using is different to to the one which Alamitos Bay Yacht Club used for the 2010 Laser Masters North American Championship. http://www.abyc.org/upload/laser15.htm but it seems it should work.

There is a description in the Sailwave User Guide of how we setup the regatta. The guide is available from http://www.abyc.org/upload/Sailwave_ABYC_User_Guide.pdf.

The International Laser Class Association (ILCA) Master’s are broken into four age divisions: Apprentice (35-44 years old), Master (45-54 years old), Grand Master (55-64 years old) and Great Grand Master (65+). In North America the Masters typically race as one fleet but score in their age divisions. An overall winner is also determined using the ILCA North American Master Handicap System where Apprentices add 3 points to their finish position in each race, Masters 2 points and Grand Masters 1 point. The results are recalculated and the person with the lowest score wins, etc.

Having setup the event as you would normally take the following actions to setup the handicap. Add four new Scoring Codes as follows:

ï‚· APP (Apprentice)

ï‚· MST (Master)

ï‚· GM (Grand Master)

ï‚· GGM (Great Grand Master).

These codes will be used to apply the handicap to each competitor. Each scoring code should be “Scored a fixed number of Points” per race, APP 3 points, MST 2 points, GM 1 points, and GGM 0 points. These codes will need to be modified after each race to reflect the series handicap, race handicap multiplied by the number of races that count in a boats series total. An Apprentice who has sailed six races and has one discard would have a handicap of 15 points (3 points x 5 races).

Add an extra race and change the race name to “Handicap” or “H’cap”. This race will be used to hold each boat’s series handicap. Edit the start of the “Handicap” race, Edit+Edit Start. In the Edit Race window check “This race is not discardable”.

Mark Townsend

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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Paul Evenden

Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 8:52 AM

To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [sailwave] laser master fleet handicapping

I was running an event for laser masters and am trying to work in the handicap system they use in the scoring.

i have entered each competitor using ‘Class’ as ‘Laser Master’ and in the ‘fleet’ entered the A,M, GM, or GGM for their age ratings.

under Edit Scoring System, i have gone to the Fleets tab and created a scoring override that says:

Apply scoring when scoring by 'fleet and the value is ‘A’ (or M, GM,

or GGM) Custom low point defined by a formula 'p+3) (or 2 or 1 )

I can’t get it to work…

any thoughts on how to set this up?

thanks

Paul

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I did try Paul's method but I don't think you can do it that way with Sailwave as it stands.

Mark's way will work and I would think you could also do it by putting the extra points in the Carried Forward field on the Audit tab of the competitor. But you would have to manually set these after each race the same as Mark's method needs to be changed after each race, although you could use the Tool set competitor field so it would be relatively straight forward.

So I think I would opt for 1 of these 2 methods. Mark's method allows you to see the amount of handicap added but may confuse some by having a dummy race although if it is titled as Mark suggests then it probably won't be a problem.

I could write you a little utility that would set the Carried forward points if you think it is worth it.

Jon

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Jon et al,

The other filed that could be used is the Penalty Points field and

rename it Handicap, the points in this filed are added to the
competitors Total & Nett points.

Kind regards,
Huw
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On 03/07/2012 11:34, JON wrote:

          I did try Paul's method but I don't think you can do it

that way with Sailwave as it stands.

          Mark's way will work and I would think you could also do

it by putting the extra points in the Carried Forward
field on the Audit tab of the competitor. But you would
have to manually set these after each race the same as
Mark’s method needs to be changed after each race,
although you could use the Tool set competitor field so it
would be relatively straight forward.

          So I think I would opt for 1 of these 2 methods. Mark's

method allows you to see the amount of handicap added but
may confuse some by having a dummy race although if it is
titled as Mark suggests then it probably won’t be a
problem.

          I could write you a little utility that would set the

Carried forward points if you think it is worth it.

          Jon