Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the "Aggregate" series with 20 races. The "Championship" series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series. You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b) updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
···
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Allowing a scoring system to be applied to a selcetion of races has been on the todo list for years but i never got round to it - it solves quite a few problems - useful during Q/F events as well. The logic is there to turn a string of the form “r2-8,r10” etc into a queue of races - not sure why i never did it in fact - not hard - just needs a filter in the score series logic.
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Cheers,
Colin J
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b) updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series. You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Hi Chris,
There is the merge faciltiy.
So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as another.
You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This will append the second file results to the first.
This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles should they change.
What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b) updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series. You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Colin/John,
The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
I’ve been looking to create the first and second half year series from the overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the other methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience allow for more user errors.
In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the full year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the two half year series we deleted boats which hadn’t entered any races in that series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any competitor entering the second half wouldn’t have an entry in the first half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
Chris
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b) updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series. You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
could have a competitor filter too - can score blocks of results then. given the filters would be in the scoring system - just need to set up N scoring systems and use appropriately.
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Cheers,
Colin J
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Colin/John,
The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
I’ve been looking to create the first and second half year series from the overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the other methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience allow for more user errors.
In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the full year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the two half year series we deleted boats which hadn’t entered any races in that series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any competitor entering the second half wouldn’t have an entry in the first half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:47, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi Chris,
There is the merge faciltiy.
So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as another.
You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This will append the second file results to the first.
This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles should they change.
What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b) updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series. You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20 races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this possible?
Hello All,
I’ve not played a lot with qualifying fleet formats and algorithms. Anyone tell me if there’s an easy way to apply fleet reassignments on a daily basis using a given algorithm. Not sure if the table below will retain formatting when posted, but the example is that in a three fleet qualifier, the fleets will be reassigned each evening based on overall rank in series as follows 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3-3-2-1 etc (where 1, 2 & 3 are the three fleets).
S.I Extract:
2.3 In the qualifying series boats will be reassigned to fleets after each day of racing, except if on the first day only one race is completed. If all fleets have completed the same number of races, boats will be reassigned on the basis of their ranks in the series. If all fleets have not completed the same number of races the series scores for reassignment will be calculated for those races, numbered in order of completion, completed by all fleets.
2.4 Reassignments will be made as follows:
Two Fleet Format
Three Fleet Format
Four Fleet Format
Rank in Series
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
1st
1
1
1
2nd
2
2
2
3rd
2
3
3
4th
1
3
4
5th
1
2
4
6th
2
1
3
7th
2
1
2
8th
1
2
1
9th
1
3
1
And so on
Many thanks, Ian.
Colin/John,
Apologies, after a bit more advice if possible whilst i think about it. Our club racing SI's have recently been changed. We used to offer average points if through the fault of the OOD no times were taken for our handicap fleets. These average points were based on an average of all other races finished by that competitor in the same series. This seemed pretty standard practice and sailwave coped admirably and as the average was based over your series performance, whilst not being perfect, the solution seemed pretty fair to me.
However, despite trying to explain about the series average, some competitors couldn't understand why in a race of say 5 boats they were scored as coming 8th for example.
So recently our new club SI's now say that the points awarded for a race which the OOD messed up timing wise will be based on the lowest of either the average points from the series or the number of boats that entered the race in question. Easy enough to write, not so easy to score....
Is there a quick way to ask sailwave to use an either/or command for calculating our special average points requirements or will we have to adjust manually if needed?
Thanks in advance.
Chris
Hi Chris,
I can’t think of a way of doing that automatically at present. Although with a feature which is on my list of to do’s as soon as I have time it will be possible - so watch this space!!
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:18, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Colin/John,
Apologies, after a bit more advice if possible whilst i think about it. Our club racing SI’s have recently been changed. We used to offer average points if through the fault of the OOD no times were taken for our handicap fleets. These average points were based on an average of all other races finished by that competitor in the same series. This seemed pretty standard practice and sailwave coped admirably and as the average was based over your series performance, whilst not being perfect, the solution seemed pretty fair to me.
However, despite trying to explain about the series average, some competitors couldn’t understand why in a race of say 5 boats they were scored as coming 8th for example.
So recently our new club SI’s now say that the points awarded for a race which the OOD messed up timing wise will be based on the lowest of either the average points from the series or the number of boats that entered the race in question. Easy enough to write, not so easy to score…
Is there a quick way to ask sailwave to use an either/or command for calculating our special average points requirements or will we have to adjust manually if needed?
Thanks in advance.
Chris
Thanks John.
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:18, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Colin/John,
Apologies, after a bit more advice if possible whilst i think about it. Our club racing SI’s have recently been changed. We used to offer average points if through the fault of the OOD no times were taken for our handicap fleets. These average points were based on an average of all other races finished by that competitor in the same series. This seemed pretty standard practice and sailwave coped admirably and as the average was based over your series performance, whilst not being perfect, the solution seemed pretty fair to me.
However, despite trying to explain about the series average, some competitors couldn’t understand why in a race of say 5 boats they were scored as coming 8th for example.
So recently our new club SI’s now say that the points awarded for a race which the OOD messed up timing wise will be based on the lowest of either the average points from the series or the number of boats that entered the race in question. Easy enough to write, not so easy to score…
Is there a quick way to ask sailwave to use an either/or command for calculating our special average points requirements or will we have to adjust manually if needed?
Thanks in advance.
Chris
Hi Ian,
As long as you turn on Appendix LE Addendum C in the user interface
The Tools - Flight Assignments tool will do this for you
Jon
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Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:14, Ian Bowring bowringi@eircom.net wrote:
Hello All,
I’ve not played a lot with qualifying fleet formats and algorithms. Anyone tell me if there’s an easy way to apply fleet reassignments on a daily basis using a given algorithm. Not sure if the table below will retain formatting when posted, but the example is that in a three fleet qualifier, the fleets will be reassigned each evening based on overall rank in series as follows 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3-3-2-1 etc (where 1, 2 & 3 are the three fleets).
S.I Extract:
2.3 In the qualifying series boats will be reassigned to fleets after each day of racing, except if on the first day only one race is completed. If all fleets have completed the same number of races, boats will be reassigned on the basis of their ranks in the series. If all fleets have not completed the same number of races the series scores for reassignment will be calculated for those races, numbered in order of completion, completed by all fleets.
2.4 Reassignments will be made as follows:
Two Fleet Format
Three Fleet Format
Four Fleet Format
Rank in Series
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
1st
1
1
1
2nd
2
2
2
3rd
2
3
3
4th
1
3
4
5th
1
2
4
6th
2
1
3
7th
2
1
2
8th
1
2
1
9th
1
3
1
And so on
Many thanks, Ian.
Blinder! Thanks, will play with that.
···
From: Jon Eskdale
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Qualifying Fleet Assignments
Hi Ian,
As long as you turn on Appendix LE Addendum C in the user interface
The Tools - Flight Assignments tool will do this for you
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:14, Ian Bowring bowringi@eircom.net wrote:
Hello All,
I’ve not played a lot with qualifying fleet formats and algorithms. Anyone tell me if there’s an easy way to apply fleet reassignments on a daily basis using a given algorithm. Not sure if the table below will retain formatting when posted, but the example is that in a three fleet qualifier, the fleets will be reassigned each evening based on overall rank in series as follows 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3-3-2-1 etc (where 1, 2 & 3 are the three fleets).
S.I Extract:
2.3 In the qualifying series boats will be reassigned to fleets after each day of racing, except if on the first day only one race is completed. If all fleets have completed the same number of races, boats will be reassigned on the basis of their ranks in the series. If all fleets have not completed the same number of races the series scores for reassignment will be calculated for those races, numbered in order of completion, completed by all fleets.
2.4 Reassignments will be made as follows:
Two Fleet Format
Three Fleet Format
Four Fleet Format
Rank in Series
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
1st
1
1
1
2nd
2
2
2
3rd
2
3
3
4th
1
3
4
5th
1
2
4
6th
2
1
3
7th
2
1
2
8th
1
2
1
9th
1
3
1
And so on
Many thanks, Ian.
Hi Ian,
Appendix LE Addendum C using flight assignments should do what you want. We used this for the Formula 18 World Championship last September. We reassigned flights at the end of each days racing during the qualifier series.
Results: http://www.abyc.org/upload/F18_World_Championship1.html
The Sailing Instructions were as follows:
7. FORMAT OF RACING
7.1. The regatta will consist of a qualifying series and a final series.
7.2. For the qualifying series boats will be assigned to groups Yellow, Blue, Red, Green, etc., of, as nearly as possible, equal size and ability. Initial assignments will be made by a seeding committee appointed by the race committee. Those assignments will be posted before 0930 on the day it will take effect.
7.3. (a) In the qualifying series boats will be reassigned to flights after each day of racing. If all flights have completed the same number of races, boats will be reassigned on the basis of their ranks in the series. If all flights have not completed the same number of races, the series scores for reassignment will be calculated for those races, numbered in order of completion, completed by all flights. Reassignments will be made as follows:
Rank
Day One
Day Two
Day Three
First
Blue
Black Bars
Blue
Second
Green
Hot Pink
Green
Third
Red
Purple
Red
Fourth
Yellow
White
Yellow
Fifth
Yellow
White
Yellow
Sixth
Red
Purple
Red
Seventh
Green
Hot Pink
Green
Eighth
Blue
Black Bars
Blue
and so on
If two or more boats have the same rank, they will be entered in the order of fleets in instruction 7.2.
(b) Assignments will be based on the ranking available at 2000 that day regardless of protests or requests for redress not yet decided.
© If all flights have not completed the same number of races by the end of a day, the flights with fewer races will continue racing the following day until all flights have completed the same number of races. All boats will thereafter race in the new flights.
7.4. Each race shall consist of 2 flights racing together and where possible each group shall race each other flight an equal number of times. Flight starts will be as shown in Addendum B of these instructions. The second flight in each race will normally start not less than six minutes after the previous start which is not recalled
7.5. (a) Boats will be assigned to final-series fleets Gold and Silver on the basis of their ranks in the qualifying series. The final-series fleets will have, as nearly as possible, equal size but so that the Silver fleet is not larger than the Gold fleet. Boats with the best qualifying-series ranks will race all final-series races in the Gold fleet, boats with the next-best qualifying-series ranks will race in the Silver fleet, etc.
(b) Any recalculation of qualifying-series ranking after boats have been assigned to final-series fleets will not affect the assignments except that a redress decision may promote a boat to a higher fleet.
Mark Townsend
Phone: 562-433-4366
Cell: 562-533-5909
Email: s_mark_townsend@hotmail.com
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ian Bowring
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Qualifying Fleet Assignments
Blinder! Thanks, will play with that.
From: Jon Eskdale
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Qualifying Fleet Assignments
Hi Ian,
As long as you turn on Appendix LE Addendum C in the user interface
The Tools - Flight Assignments tool will do this for you
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:14, Ian Bowring bowringi@eircom.net wrote:
Hello All,
I’ve not played a lot with qualifying fleet formats and algorithms. Anyone tell me if there’s an easy way to apply fleet reassignments on a daily basis using a given algorithm. Not sure if the table below will retain formatting when posted, but the example is that in a three fleet qualifier, the fleets will be reassigned each evening based on overall rank in series as follows 1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3-3-2-1 etc (where 1, 2 & 3 are the three fleets).
S.I Extract:
2.3 In the qualifying series boats will be reassigned to fleets after each day of racing, except if on the first day only one race is completed. If all fleets have completed the same number of races, boats will be reassigned on the basis of their ranks in the series. If all fleets have not completed the same number of races the series scores for reassignment will be calculated for those races, numbered in order of completion, completed by all fleets.
2.4 Reassignments will be made as follows:
Two Fleet Format
Three Fleet Format
Four Fleet Format
Rank in Series
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
Fleet Assignment
1st
1
1
1
2nd
2
2
2
3rd
2
3
3
4th
1
3
4
5th
1
2
4
6th
2
1
3
7th
2
1
2
8th
1
2
1
9th
1
3
1
And so on
Many thanks, Ian.
The current expression evaluator can use any built in function of Clarion but I can’t see minimum(). Easiest way is write a Minimum function and bind it to the expression evaluator.
···
Cheers,
Colin J
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Thanks John.
On 28 May 2013, at 15:51, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com wrote:
Hi Chris,
I can’t think of a way of doing that automatically at present. Although with a feature which is on my list of to do’s as soon as I have time it will be possible - so watch this space!!
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:18, Chris Gandy chrisgandy@me.com wrote:
Colin/John,
Apologies, after a bit more advice if possible whilst i think about it. Our club racing SI’s have recently been changed. We used to offer average points if through the fault of the OOD no times were taken for our handicap fleets. These average points were based on an average of all other races finished by that competitor in the same series. This seemed pretty standard practice and sailwave coped admirably and as the average was based over your series performance, whilst not being perfect, the solution seemed pretty fair to me.
However, despite trying to explain about the series average, some competitors couldn’t understand why in a race of say 5 boats they were scored as coming 8th for example.
So recently our new club SI’s now say that the points awarded for a race which the OOD messed up timing wise will be based on the lowest of either the average points from the series or the number of boats that entered the race in question. Easy enough to write, not so easy to score…
Is there a quick way to ask sailwave to use an either/or command for calculating our special average points requirements or will we have to adjust manually if needed?
Thanks in advance.
Chris
Guys,
Thanks for the responses. My club currently uses TopYacht for scoring, and I want to move away from it. One function it does have is to allow you to link the series as I described earlier. It provides the option to nominate the series and race that the results should be taken from for the linked (child) series. The advantage of this method is that you only need to enter results once (in the parent series). DNC's are not an issue because the linked series only recognises the 10 races (or however many are linked).
In my case the champ series races can be any that you want to choose from the Agg series, although we typically take every 2nd race as a Champ series race. We then take every other race in the Agg series and link them into a 3rd series (Perp series). Importantly, the choice of race to link to the child series could be completely random - non sequential. For this reason I don't think the Merge facility will work.
Garry
+61 419 891 036
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@...> wrote:
could have a competitor filter too - can score blocks of results then.
given the filters would be in the scoring system - just need to set up N
scoring systems and use appropriately.Cheers,
Colin JOn Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Colin/John,
>
> The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
>
> I've been looking to create the first and second half year series from the
> overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
>
> I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control
> all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the other
> methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience allow
> for more user errors.
>
> In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the full
> year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the two
> half year series we deleted boats which hadn't entered any races in that
> series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any
> competitor entering the second half wouldn't have an entry in the first
> half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
>
> Chris
>
> On 28 May 2013, at 14:47, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> There is the merge faciltiy.
>
> So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as another.
>
> You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This
> will append the second file results to the first.
>
> This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles should
> they change.
>
> What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in
> one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would
> affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Eskdale
> Sailwave
> 03333 443377
> 07976 709777
>
>
> On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series
>> result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking
>> place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The
>> only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and
>> publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but
>> means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second
>> half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b)
>> updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
>>
>> When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is
>> there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in
>> this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go
>> into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series.
>> You don't say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done
>> after every race or once at the end of the series.
>>
>> You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you
>> selection criteria don't know if this is what you want.
>>
>> You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and
>> delete the races that you don't want
>>
>> If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Jon
>>
>> Jon Eskdale
>> Sailwave
>> 03333 443377
>> 07976 709777
>>
>>
>> On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 <hosieg@...> wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results
>>> from the primary series? ie Main series is the "Aggregate" series with 20
>>> races. The "Championship" series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate
>>> series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the
>>> Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this
>>> possible?
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Hi Ian,
As promised in my personal email from my smartphone, the follow-up
to your SUG posting.
As Jon said you need to turn on in the User Interface * Appendix
LE Addendum C*. However you also need to check ‘* Spilt starts
allowing multiple 1sts, 2nds etc*’.
The other aspect that needs to be remembered is to create a separate
start for each flight in each race. So if you end up with 4 flights
(Yellow Red, Blue, Green or 1, 2, 3, 4) you will have four starts
and will need to say which competitors are on each start. Note - in
the UK it is usual to use colours for flights not numbers.
On the *Race scorin*g tab of *Edit scoring system* you
also need to have ticked 'Allow multiple 1sts, 2nds etc. ’ in
the lower right quarter of the window.
All the best and if you feel you need help just ask.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 28/05/2013 16:57, Jon Eskdale wrote:
Hi Ian,
As long as you turn on Appendix LE Addendum C in theuser interface
The Tools - Flight Assignments tool will do this foryou
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 15:14, Ian Bowringbowringi@eircom.net
wrote:�
HelloAll,
�
I�venot played a lot with qualifying fleet
formats and algorithms.� Anyone tell
me if there�s an easy way to apply
fleet reassignments on a daily basis
using a given algorithm.� Not sure if
the table below will retain formatting
when posted, but the example is that
in a three fleet qualifier, the fleets
will be reassigned each evening based
on overall rank in series as follows
1-2-3-3-2-1-1-2-3-3-2-1 etc (where 1,
2 & 3 are the three fleets).
�
S.IExtract:
�
2.3 Inthe qualifying series boats will
be reassigned to fleets after
each day of racing, except if on
the first day only one race is
completed. If all fleets have
completed the same number of
races, boats will be reassigned
on the basis of their ranks in
the series. If all fleets have
not completed the same number of
races the series scores for
reassignment will be calculated
for those races, numbered in
order of completion, completed
by all fleets.
2.4Reassignments will be made as
follows:
�
�
TwoFleet Format
ThreeFleet Format
FourFleet Format
Rankin Series
FleetAssignment
FleetAssignment
FleetAssignment
1st
1
1
1
2nd
2
2
2
3rd
2
3
3
4th
1
3
4
5th
1
2
4
6th
2
1
3
7th
2
1
2
8th
1
2
1
9th
1
3
1
Andso on
�
�
�
�
Many thanks,Ian.
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Hi Garry,
Just so I am clear - you would like to import a specified race from one series to a specific race in another series.
You would like to import them as position plus codes or elapsed time plus codes for that particular race
or do you want to specify a set of races from one series to create a new series?
or would you prefer the ability to score selected races as an event?
I’m sure we can find a solution, but as a temporary solution don’t ignore the merge as once you have merged it is extremely easy to delete the races that you don’t want.
Jon
···
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 29 May 2013 11:32, gazza2290 hosieg@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Guys,
Thanks for the responses. My club currently uses TopYacht for scoring, and I want to move away from it. One function it does have is to allow you to link the series as I described earlier. It provides the option to nominate the series and race that the results should be taken from for the linked (child) series. The advantage of this method is that you only need to enter results once (in the parent series). DNC’s are not an issue because the linked series only recognises the 10 races (or however many are linked).
In my case the champ series races can be any that you want to choose from the Agg series, although we typically take every 2nd race as a Champ series race. We then take every other race in the Agg series and link them into a 3rd series (Perp series). Importantly, the choice of race to link to the child series could be completely random - non sequential. For this reason I don’t think the Merge facility will work.
Garry
+61 419 891 036
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@…> wrote:
could have a competitor filter too - can score blocks of results then.
given the filters would be in the scoring system - just need to set up N
scoring systems and use appropriately.
Cheers,
Colin J
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@…> wrote:
**
Colin/John,
The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
I’ve been looking to create the first and second half year series from the
overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control
all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the other
methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience allow
for more user errors.
In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the full
year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the two
half year series we deleted boats which hadn’t entered any races in that
series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any
competitor entering the second half wouldn’t have an entry in the first
half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:47, Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:
Hi Chris,
There is the merge faciltiy.
So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as another.
You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This
will append the second file results to the first.
This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles should
they change.
What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in
one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would
affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@…> wrote:
**
Jon,
I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a series
result for the whole year. They also have series results for races taking
place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year. The
only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and
publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series, but
means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the second
half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b)
updating results once but resaving file each time with a different name.
When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is
there any way you could add a command where when you select race numbers in
this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
Chris
On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:
Hi,
So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results go
into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate series.
You don’t say how the championship races are selected. Also is this done
after every race or once at the end of the series.
You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you
selection criteria don’t know if this is what you want.
You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and
delete the races that you don’t want
If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number below
Regards
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 <hosieg@…> wrote:
**
Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results
from the primary series? ie Main series is the “Aggregate” series with 20
races. The “Championship” series consists of 10 races from the Aggregate
series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get the
Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this
possible?
Jon,
The requirement is your first option from below. We would want to be able to publish the separate results for each of the 3 series on a weekly basis. We normally sail 2 races a week - one counts as a Champ Series race, the other counts as a Perp Series race, and both count as an Agg Series race. The Agg series is a handicap series using VYC yardsticks, the other 2 series are position based results.
Having to merge files and delete races on a weekly basis is pretty yuk! Our results officer is not terribly computer literate - so we need to keep it as simple as possible.
Thanks for all your help
Garry
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:
Hi Garry,
Just so I am clear - you would like to import a specified race from one
series to a specific race in another series.
You would like to import them as position plus codes or elapsed time plus
codes for that particular raceor do you want to specify a set of races from one series to create a new
series?or would you prefer the ability to score selected races as an event?
I'm sure we can find a solution, but as a temporary solution don't ignore
the merge as once you have merged it is extremely easy to delete the races
that you don't want.Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777On 29 May 2013 11:32, gazza2290 <hosieg@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Guys,
>
> Thanks for the responses. My club currently uses TopYacht for scoring, and
> I want to move away from it. One function it does have is to allow you to
> link the series as I described earlier. It provides the option to nominate
> the series and race that the results should be taken from for the linked
> (child) series. The advantage of this method is that you only need to enter
> results once (in the parent series). DNC's are not an issue because the
> linked series only recognises the 10 races (or however many are linked).
>
> In my case the champ series races can be any that you want to choose from
> the Agg series, although we typically take every 2nd race as a Champ series
> race. We then take every other race in the Agg series and link them into a
> 3rd series (Perp series). Importantly, the choice of race to link to the
> child series could be completely random - non sequential. For this reason I
> don't think the Merge facility will work.
>
> Garry
> +61 419 891 036
>
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@> wrote:
> >
> > could have a competitor filter too - can score blocks of results then.
> > given the filters would be in the scoring system - just need to set up N
> > scoring systems and use appropriately.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Colin J
> >
> > http://sailwave.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Colin/John,
> > >
> > > The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
> > >
> > > I've been looking to create the first and second half year series from
> the
> > > overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
> > >
> > > I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control
> > > all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the
> other
> > > methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience
> allow
> > > for more user errors.
> > >
> > > In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the
> full
> > > year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the
> two
> > > half year series we deleted boats which hadn't entered any races in
> that
> > > series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any
> > > competitor entering the second half wouldn't have an entry in the first
> > > half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On 28 May 2013, at 14:47, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Chris,
> > >
> > > There is the merge faciltiy.
> > >
> > > So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as
> another.
> > >
> > > You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This
> > > will append the second file results to the first.
> > >
> > > This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles
> should
> > > they change.
> > >
> > > What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in
> > > one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would
> > > affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > Jon Eskdale
> > > Sailwave
> > > 03333 443377
> > > 07976 709777
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jon,
> > >>
> > >> I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a
> series
> > >> result for the whole year. They also have series results for races
> taking
> > >> place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year.
> The
> > >> only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and
> > >> publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series,
> but
> > >> means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the
> second
> > >> half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b)
> > >> updating results once but resaving file each time with a different
> name.
> > >>
> > >> When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is
> > >> there any way you could add a command where when you select race
> numbers in
> > >> this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
> > >>
> > >> Chris
> > >>
> > >> On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results
> go
> > >> into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate
> series.
> > >> You don't say how the championship races are selected. Also is this
> done
> > >> after every race or once at the end of the series.
> > >>
> > >> You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you
> > >> selection criteria don't know if this is what you want.
> > >>
> > >> You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and
> > >> delete the races that you don't want
> > >>
> > >> If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number
> below
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Jon
> > >>
> > >> Jon Eskdale
> > >> Sailwave
> > >> 03333 443377
> > >> 07976 709777
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 <hosieg@> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> **
>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results
> > >>> from the primary series? ie Main series is the "Aggregate" series
> with 20
> > >>> races. The "Championship" series consists of 10 races from the
> Aggregate
> > >>> series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get
> the
> > >>> Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this
> > >>> possible?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
Jon,
Is there likely to be any action on this request? I can't find anything further in the thread.
Garry
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "gazza2290" <hosieg@...> wrote:
Jon,
The requirement is your first option from below. We would want to be able to publish the separate results for each of the 3 series on a weekly basis. We normally sail 2 races a week - one counts as a Champ Series race, the other counts as a Perp Series race, and both count as an Agg Series race. The Agg series is a handicap series using VYC yardsticks, the other 2 series are position based results.
Having to merge files and delete races on a weekly basis is pretty yuk! Our results officer is not terribly computer literate - so we need to keep it as simple as possible.
Thanks for all your help
Garry
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
>
> Hi Garry,
>
> Just so I am clear - you would like to import a specified race from one
> series to a specific race in another series.
> You would like to import them as position plus codes or elapsed time plus
> codes for that particular race
>
> or do you want to specify a set of races from one series to create a new
> series?
>
> or would you prefer the ability to score selected races as an event?
>
> I'm sure we can find a solution, but as a temporary solution don't ignore
> the merge as once you have merged it is extremely easy to delete the races
> that you don't want.
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Eskdale
> Sailwave
> 03333 443377
> 07976 709777
>
>
> On 29 May 2013 11:32, gazza2290 <hosieg@> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > Thanks for the responses. My club currently uses TopYacht for scoring, and
> > I want to move away from it. One function it does have is to allow you to
> > link the series as I described earlier. It provides the option to nominate
> > the series and race that the results should be taken from for the linked
> > (child) series. The advantage of this method is that you only need to enter
> > results once (in the parent series). DNC's are not an issue because the
> > linked series only recognises the 10 races (or however many are linked).
> >
> > In my case the champ series races can be any that you want to choose from
> > the Agg series, although we typically take every 2nd race as a Champ series
> > race. We then take every other race in the Agg series and link them into a
> > 3rd series (Perp series). Importantly, the choice of race to link to the
> > child series could be completely random - non sequential. For this reason I
> > don't think the Merge facility will work.
> >
> > Garry
> > +61 419 891 036
> >
> >
> > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Colin Jenkins <colin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > could have a competitor filter too - can score blocks of results then.
> > > given the filters would be in the scoring system - just need to set up N
> > > scoring systems and use appropriately.
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Colin J
> > >
> > > http://sailwave.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Colin/John,
> > > >
> > > > The filter Colin proposes would be ideal.
> > > >
> > > > I've been looking to create the first and second half year series from
> > the
> > > > overall file, but yes your method would also work I guess.
> > > >
> > > > I think the filter is the cleanest solution though as you could control
> > > > all the series using one .blw file to do all the work, whereas the
> > other
> > > > methods needed to do this require multiple files so in my experience
> > allow
> > > > for more user errors.
> > > >
> > > > In our scenario, the DNC values differ depending which series. So the
> > full
> > > > year series will have larger DNC values, but when split out in to the
> > two
> > > > half year series we deleted boats which hadn't entered any races in
> > that
> > > > series. Therefore once the first half year series is finalised any
> > > > competitor entering the second half wouldn't have an entry in the first
> > > > half series. Hope that sort of makes sense.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > On 28 May 2013, at 14:47, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Chris,
> > > >
> > > > There is the merge faciltiy.
> > > >
> > > > So if you had the first half as one file and the second half as
> > another.
> > > >
> > > > You only have to run the merge to create the whole year series. - This
> > > > will append the second file results to the first.
> > > >
> > > > This allows you to also have different titles and discard profiles
> > should
> > > > they change.
> > > >
> > > > What happens in your scenario with DNC values? If you have them all in
> > > > one file and another boat joins the series in the second half if would
> > > > affect the results of the first half as the DNC values would change.
> > > >
> > > > Jon
> > > >
> > > > Jon Eskdale
> > > > Sailwave
> > > > 03333 443377
> > > > 07976 709777
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 28 May 2013 14:24, Chris Gandy <chrisgandy@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> **
> >
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jon,
> > > >>
> > > >> I recently had a similar issue for one of our fleets. They have a
> > series
> > > >> result for the whole year. They also have series results for races
> > taking
> > > >> place in the first half, and separately, the second half of the year.
> > The
> > > >> only solution i could come up with was to save as separate files and
> > > >> publish each one individually. Thats fine for the first half series,
> > but
> > > >> means for each data entry in the overall series file to update the
> > second
> > > >> half either means a) updating the results in the other file too or b)
> > > >> updating results once but resaving file each time with a different
> > name.
> > > >>
> > > >> When you publish there is a box that asks to publish certain races. Is
> > > >> there any way you could add a command where when you select race
> > numbers in
> > > >> this box it asks you to rescore based only on these races?
> > > >>
> > > >> Chris
> > > >>
> > > >> On 28 May 2013, at 14:07, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> So as I understand you have an Aggregate series which all the results
> > go
> > > >> into. And a championship series derived from 10 of the aggregate
> > series.
> > > >> You don't say how the championship races are selected. Also is this
> > done
> > > >> after every race or once at the end of the series.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can use discard profiles but without fully understanding you
> > > >> selection criteria don't know if this is what you want.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can of course always save the aggregate series as another file and
> > > >> delete the races that you don't want
> > > >>
> > > >> If you can supply some more details or give me a call on the number
> > below
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards
> > > >>
> > > >> Jon
> > > >>
> > > >> Jon Eskdale
> > > >> Sailwave
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> > > >> On 28 May 2013 10:40, gazza2290 <hosieg@> wrote:
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> > > >>> Can you link 2 series so that one automatically picks up the results
> > > >>> from the primary series? ie Main series is the "Aggregate" series
> > with 20
> > > >>> races. The "Championship" series consists of 10 races from the
> > Aggregate
> > > >>> series. I want to enter results only in the Aggregate series and get
> > the
> > > >>> Championship to pick the results from the Aggregate series. Is this
> > > >>> possible?
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