I looks like many clubs in our area will join with us in using SW. This will be great as we will eventually have many that will be able to help each other and pass along knowledge learned.
I am trying to see if it is possible to have a series scored in the normal low point and to have a score field where high point is calculated side by side.
I did a save as (renamed) on a previous 3 race regatta that was already scored as low point.
Can I add a field to score as a High Point along with the Low point?
Or do I just need to rescore with a new system? If so where is the High Point choice?
Our Wet Wednesday summer series is race scored Individually as Low Point but they use the 1/2 way and final as High Point. Hence the need to see if I can.
Thanks and we are looking forward to a spreadsheet free 2016 
I just ran the Scoring the Ventura Yacht Club Fall Opti Regatta http://vycyouthsailing.org/
Sailwave is great for OD scoring.
Dave T
For High Point scoring, go to Setup / User Inteface and check High Point scoring.
Then, under Race Scoring, you will see the High Point options.
But I don't think you will be able use Low and High in the same series, without exporting the results to a spreadsheet.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei South Africa
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On 2015-11-21 22:16, d.trude@yahoo.com [sailwave] wrote:
I looks like many clubs in our area will join with us in using SW. This will be great as we will eventually have many that will be able to help each other and pass along knowledge learned.
I am trying to see if it is possible to have a series scored in the normal low point and to have a score field where high point is calculated side by side.
I did a save as (renamed) on a previous 3 race regatta that was already scored as low point.
Can I add a field to score as a High Point along with the Low point?
Or do I just need to rescore with a new system? If so where is the High Point choice?
Our Wet Wednesday summer series is race scored Individually as Low Point but they use the 1/2 way and final as High Point. Hence the need to see if I can.
Thanks and we are looking forward to a spreadsheet free 2016
I just ran the Scoring the Ventura Yacht Club Fall Opti Regatta http://vycyouthsailing.org/
Sailwave is great for OD scoring.
Dave T
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Hi Dave,
Although you can’t score high point and low point at the same time you can configure both the low point and the high point scoring systems in the same series and select which you wish to use when you “score series” so it is very easy and quick.
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On the Setup User interface make sure you tick both High point scoring and Multiple scoring systems
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As to advice on which high point scoring system there are many users with more experience of the different high point systems than me so I will leave it up to others to advise on this. Once you have chosen one - if you need help implementing it please come back.
Jon
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On 21 November 2015 at 20:16, d.trude@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I looks like many clubs in our area will join with us in using SW. This will be great as we will eventually have many that will be able to help each other and pass along knowledge learned.
I am trying to see if it is possible to have a series scored in the normal low point and to have a score field where high point is calculated side by side.
I did a save as (renamed) on a previous 3 race regatta that was already scored as low point.
Can I add a field to score as a High Point along with the Low point?
Or do I just need to rescore with a new system? If so where is the High Point choice?
Our Wet Wednesday summer series is race scored Individually as Low Point but they use the 1/2 way and final as High Point. Hence the need to see if I can.
Thanks and we are looking forward to a spreadsheet free 2016
I just ran the Scoring the Ventura Yacht Club Fall Opti Regatta http://vycyouthsailing.org/
Sailwave is great for OD scoring.
Dave T
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
Thanks Jon, I have worked with a local club today and dealing with the old guys is tough. No one wants to change.
Which scoring systems are high point?
Personally I hate high point because it penalizes a competitor for not being in a race where they may be a bunch of hacks. IE, If I win in a small fleet with tough competitors, why is it scored lower than a big fleet with a bunch of hacks?
Dave
Thanks Malcom. I stumbled upon this area last night after I asked my question.
What I have done is saved the original series scored as the low point and then did a save as and renamed it as the high point. Then I chose the custom high point using the s-p equation. it looks to score very nicely.
One issue is one boat had an SCP penalty of 40% which scores correctly in low point but in the high point it does not. I am guessing in the high point we will manually have to fix his score.
This is of course a test run.
During our Wednesday Summer Series all the races are scored individually as low point for evening awards. Then they break the series in 2 halves (about 11 races in each half) and they are scored as high point for series awards because some races there are many and some there are few sailing.
Thanks.
When you switch to High point you must remember to select the scoring codes for high point scoring
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If you click on the hand in the bottom left you will see a menu of typical scoring codes one of which is high point scoring Select this as a starting point.
The Files menu has some very useful merge facilities for merging different series so by either duplicating the file and deleting races or by merging series you can do most things
Jon
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On 7 December 2015 at 18:55, d.trude@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Thanks Malcom. I stumbled upon this area last night after I asked my question.
What I have done is saved the original series scored as the low point and then did a save as and renamed it as the high point. Then I chose the custom high point using the s-p equation. it looks to score very nicely.
One issue is one boat had an SCP penalty of 40% which scores correctly in low point but in the high point it does not. I am guessing in the high point we will manually have to fix his score.
This is of course a test run.
During our Wednesday Summer Series all the races are scored individually as low point for evening awards. Then they break the series in 2 halves (about 11 races in each half) and they are scored as high point for series awards because some races there are many and some there are few sailing.
Thanks.
Jon Eskdale
07530 112233
Skype “eskdale”
You may not want to change what you publish BUT
Basically, the order of boats for an individual race is the same
regardless of scoring system used. The scoring system (and assigning
points to places) only impacts series standings. The one very minor
exception is scoring penalties because the rulebook doesn't say to
assign a "place" it says to add a penalty to a "score." In that instance
points are relevant but since they ultimately relate to positions it is
still true that the order of boats is the same regardless of scoring system.
Bottom line, the boats will be in the same order whether you score low
point, high point or Crazy Al's scoring system (assuming your scoring
penalties are set up correctly). So, you could score your individual
races with the same system as your series and nothing would be any
different in terms of trophies or the order of boats. Of course, your
average sailor might not be smart enough to realize that and some
education could be required. Maintaining two versions of the scoring
software to score differently (as you described it) isn't necessary and
personally I'd just score once and accept that some explanation may be
necessary.
By the way, for a regatta the Low Point System (from the rulebook) and a
simple high point system (boats beat + 1) produce identical results.
Yes, the points are different but the order of the boats is the same
(and the point gaps between boats are also the same). This is because in
a regatta all boats generally sail all races.
A series longer than a regatta (i.e., not on consecutive days) is
different because the number of boats may vary from race to race. In
that case, the Low Point System and a simple high point system will
produce slightly different results - with the Low Point System favoring
boats that sail in the smaller races and a simple high point system
favoring boats that sail in the larger races. There are quite a few high
point systems to choose from, some of which have no bias and others have
much reduced bias. Personally, I think both the Low Point System and a
simple high point system are equally inappropriate for long series of
races (like a summer series). They both have too much bias (though in
opposite directions) and I'd go for one of the other high point systems.
Art
PS - The classic book "Yacht Race Scoring" (F. Gregg Bemis) has multiple
low point and high point systems. The Low Point System in the rulebook
is almost universal for regattas these days. Cox-Sprague was the
standard high point system 50 years ago but has fallen out of favor with
no single high point system predominating these days.
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On 12/7/2015 10:55 AM, d.trude@yahoo.com [sailwave] wrote:
Thanks Malcom. I stumbled upon this area last night after I asked my
question.
What I have done is saved the original series scored as the low point
and then did a save as and renamed it as the high point. Then I chose
the custom high point using the s-p equation. it looks to score very
nicely. One issue is one boat had an SCP penalty of 40% which scores
correctly in low point but in the high point it does not. I am
guessing in the high point we will manually have to fix his score.
This is of course a test run.
During our Wednesday Summer Series all the races are scored
individually as low point for evening awards. Then they break the
series in 2 halves (about 11 races in each half) and they are scored
as high point for series awards because some races there are many and
some there are few sailing.
Thanks.
Thanks Art, I have played with the scoring setup and use the custom (s-p)+1 high point. I saved the scoring system under a new name.
I see how each individual race scores properly just as a low point scoring would. The points show the winner has the larger number of points. I guess we just have to make clear to everyone what is different but not really.
I think my confusion was trying to recreate the way they did it with the 20 year old bastardized spreadsheet.I do not see a problem using high point for individual races and with the proper discard profile the series scoring should work just fine. There will be some who understand but there will be those stuck in the rut who will not.
I see though that the scroing codes give different results.
In a high point, instead of DNS, DNF, DNC, DSQ getting +1, I think they need to be changed to -1? Make sense? This way they will get 0 points instead of 1
Thanks.
Dave T
Hello Dave,
it makes sense to change the values to “0” in a high point scoring system. The last competitor of a Race gets “1” point, those with codes like DNS, DNF, DNC, DSQ get less (= “0”).
Sailwave will change those codes automatic if you chose
“Scoring system” - tab “scoring codes” - “hand symbol” - “typical high point system”.
Christof
Thanks Christof, never noticed the hand symbol at the bottom.