Mixed Fleets

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Hi all

I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite.

Can anyone advise how to get around this problem

Cheers
Wayne Nolan

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Wayne:
Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another start.
You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or you can
have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time but
listed as 3 fleets.

Yours
John Crawley

Hi all

I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of

mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first
has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two
fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets
and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets
if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the
fleet opposite.

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Can anyone advise how to get around this problem

Cheers
Wayne Nolan

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Thanks John:

I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem arises when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in the same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are entered in the first start.

Is there away around this problem or am I doing something wrong?

Cheers Wayne

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jcc2jcc
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
  Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

  Wayne:
  Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another start.
  You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or you can
  have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time but
  listed as 3 fleets.

  Yours
  John Crawley

  --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
  > Hi all
  >
  > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of
  mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first
  has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two
  fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets
  and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets
  if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the
  fleet opposite.
  >
  > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
  >
  > Cheers
  > Wayne Nolan
  >
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Wayne:
I obviousley did not explain it very well.
If you set up another start, you can now have upto 6 fleets all
starting at the same time, set up a third start, you can use the same
start time, you can now have 9 fleets all starting at the same time.
Do not use the "and" boxes.

Think of 1 fleet in each start. You can have any number of starts all
with 1, 2 or 3 fleets, they can all have the same start time.
Start Fleet Start time
start 1 fleet1,fleet2,fleet3 11:00:00
start 2 fleet4,fleet5,fleet6 11:00:00
start 3 fleet7,fleet8,fleet9 11:00:00
start 4 fleet10,fleet11,fleet12 11:00:00

Yours
John Crawley

Thanks John:

I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem arises

when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has only
provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and'
Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in the
same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are entered in
the first start.

Is there away around this problem or am I doing something wrong?

Cheers Wayne

  From: jcc2jcc
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
  Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

  Wayne:
  Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another start.
  You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or you can
  have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time but
  listed as 3 fleets.

  Yours
  John Crawley

  > Hi all
  >
  > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of
  mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first
  has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two
  fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets
  and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets
  if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the
  fleet opposite.
  >
  > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
  >
  > Cheers
  > Wayne Nolan
  >
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Thanks John

Your original e-mail is very clear when I read it again. Funny thing when lying in bed last night I thought I would try that solution and low and behold this morning I open my e-mails and there is your explanation.

Thanks again

Cheers Wayne

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----- Original Message -----
  From: jcc2jcc
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:50 AM
  Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

  Wayne:
  I obviousley did not explain it very well.
  If you set up another start, you can now have upto 6 fleets all
  starting at the same time, set up a third start, you can use the same
  start time, you can now have 9 fleets all starting at the same time.
  Do not use the "and" boxes.

  Think of 1 fleet in each start. You can have any number of starts all
  with 1, 2 or 3 fleets, they can all have the same start time.
  Start Fleet Start time
  start 1 fleet1,fleet2,fleet3 11:00:00
  start 2 fleet4,fleet5,fleet6 11:00:00
  start 3 fleet7,fleet8,fleet9 11:00:00
  start 4 fleet10,fleet11,fleet12 11:00:00

  Yours
  John Crawley

  --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
  > Thanks John:
  >
  > I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem arises
  when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has only
  provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and'
  Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in the
  same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are entered in
  the first start.
  >
  > Is there away around this problem or am I doing something wrong?
  >
  > Cheers Wayne
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: jcc2jcc
  > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
  > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets
  >
  >
  >
  > Wayne:
  > Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another start.
  > You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or you can
  > have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time but
  > listed as 3 fleets.
  >
  > Yours
  > John Crawley
  >
  >
  > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
  > > Hi all
  > >
  > > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of
  > mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first
  > has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two
  > fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets
  > and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets
  > if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the
  > fleet opposite.
  > >
  > > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
  > >
  > > Cheers
  > > Wayne Nolan
  > >
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Thanks from me too, great explanation but...

Does this work for "place results" eg one-design classes. optimists
in first start and Europe, Laser, OK and Zoom8 in a second start?
Every class is one fleet.

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...>
wrote:

Thanks John

Your original e-mail is very clear when I read it again. Funny

thing when lying in bed last night I thought I would try that
solution and low and behold this morning I open my e-mails and there
is your explanation.

Thanks again

Cheers Wayne
  From: jcc2jcc
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:50 AM
  Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

  Wayne:
  I obviousley did not explain it very well.
  If you set up another start, you can now have upto 6 fleets all
  starting at the same time, set up a third start, you can use the

same

  start time, you can now have 9 fleets all starting at the same

time.

  Do not use the "and" boxes.

  Think of 1 fleet in each start. You can have any number of

starts all

  with 1, 2 or 3 fleets, they can all have the same start time.
  Start Fleet Start time
  start 1 fleet1,fleet2,fleet3 11:00:00
  start 2 fleet4,fleet5,fleet6 11:00:00
  start 3 fleet7,fleet8,fleet9 11:00:00
  start 4 fleet10,fleet11,fleet12 11:00:00

  Yours
  John Crawley

  --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...>

wrote:

  > Thanks John:
  >
  > I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem

arises

  when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has

only

  provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of

the "and'

  Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in

the

  same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are

entered in

  the first start.
  >
  > Is there away around this problem or am I doing something

wrong?

  >
  > Cheers Wayne
  >
  >
  > From: jcc2jcc
  > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
  > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets
  >
  >
  >
  > Wayne:
  > Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another

start.

  > You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or

you can

  > have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time

but

  > listed as 3 fleets.
  >
  > Yours
  > John Crawley
  >
  >
  > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan

<wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:

  > > Hi all
  > >
  > > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7

fleets of

  > mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts

the first

  > has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start

has two

  > fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the

fleets

  > and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for

3 fleets

  > if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it

eliminates the

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  > >
  > > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
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  > > Cheers
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Wayne/John et al,

The actual expression that you see constructed after using the '3x3' user
interface is in fact completely generic (i.e. Sailwave can handle an
arbitrary number of 'OR'ed (and/or 'AND'ed) together fleets (etc) - it's
just a matter of designing a UI that will allow the user to easily generate
it; together with the necessary parenthesis; all ideas gratefully received.
I could also have a different sort of expression that is in fact a list of
competitors - but then if you add a competitor you have the painful task of
adding him/her to starts - whereas with the expression methods it's
implicit.

nb: I could leave the expressiom editable (it's read-only at the moment)
with helpers to insert "AND", "OR", field=value etc - this would be easiest
for me - a bit like outlook rules etc - with the things that can be changed
underlined in blue. Perhaps have N ways of doing it and use the one that
suits the context/user...

This expression editor is now central to using Sailwave so it needs to be
much slicker.

Regards,
Colin
www.sailwave.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Nolan [mailto:wayne.nolan@paradise.net.nz]
Sent: 06 October 2004 19:52
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

Thanks John

Your original e-mail is very clear when I read it again. Funny
thing when lying in bed last night I thought I would try that
solution and low and behold this morning I open my e-mails and
there is your explanation.

Thanks again

Cheers Wayne
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jcc2jcc
  To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:50 AM
  Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

  Wayne:
  I obviousley did not explain it very well.
  If you set up another start, you can now have upto 6 fleets all
  starting at the same time, set up a third start, you can use the same
  start time, you can now have 9 fleets all starting at the same time.
  Do not use the "and" boxes.

  Think of 1 fleet in each start. You can have any number of starts all
  with 1, 2 or 3 fleets, they can all have the same start time.
  Start Fleet Start time
  start 1 fleet1,fleet2,fleet3 11:00:00
  start 2 fleet4,fleet5,fleet6 11:00:00
  start 3 fleet7,fleet8,fleet9 11:00:00
  start 4 fleet10,fleet11,fleet12 11:00:00

  Yours
  John Crawley

  --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
  > Thanks John:
  >
  > I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem arises
  when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has only
  provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and'
  Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in the
  same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are entered in
  the first start.
  >
  > Is there away around this problem or am I doing something wrong?
  >
  > Cheers Wayne
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: jcc2jcc
  > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
  > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets
  >
  >
  >
  > Wayne:
  > Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another start.
  > You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or you can
  > have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time but
  > listed as 3 fleets.
  >
  > Yours
  > John Crawley
  >
  >
  > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan
<wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
  > > Hi all
  > >
  > > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of
  > mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts
the first
  > has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two
  > fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets
  > and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision
for 3 fleets
  > if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it
eliminates the
  > fleet opposite.
  > >
  > > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
  > >
  > > Cheers
  > > Wayne Nolan
  > >
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Hi Anders,

No it doesn't - that's why the UI into the start expressions needs work to
remove the '3x3' limitation which is only artificial as previously
explained - i'm tending towards a rich text solution...

With "Place" results, Sailwave uses the starts to decide the next place when
using the SailNo wizard (and Edit+Result), so splitting up a fleet into N
starts will result in different sets of 1,2,3 etc - exactly what you do when
modelling flights in fact.

Regards,
CJ

···

-----Original Message-----
From: Anders Landenstad [mailto:anders.landenstad@telia.com]
Sent: 07 October 2004 07:34
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets

Thanks from me too, great explanation but...

Does this work for "place results" eg one-design classes. optimists
in first start and Europe, Laser, OK and Zoom8 in a second start?
Every class is one fleet.

Anders

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...>
wrote:
> Thanks John
>
> Your original e-mail is very clear when I read it again. Funny
thing when lying in bed last night I thought I would try that
solution and low and behold this morning I open my e-mails and there
is your explanation.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Cheers Wayne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jcc2jcc
> To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 12:50 AM
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets
>
>
>
> Wayne:
> I obviousley did not explain it very well.
> If you set up another start, you can now have upto 6 fleets all
> starting at the same time, set up a third start, you can use the
same
> start time, you can now have 9 fleets all starting at the same
time.
> Do not use the "and" boxes.
>
> Think of 1 fleet in each start. You can have any number of
starts all
> with 1, 2 or 3 fleets, they can all have the same start time.
> Start Fleet Start time
> start 1 fleet1,fleet2,fleet3 11:00:00
> start 2 fleet4,fleet5,fleet6 11:00:00
> start 3 fleet7,fleet8,fleet9 11:00:00
> start 4 fleet10,fleet11,fleet12 11:00:00
>
> Yours
> John Crawley
>
>
>
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan <wayne.nolan@p...>
wrote:
> > Thanks John:
> >
> > I can set up the starts ok but one has 4 fleets. The problem
arises
> when I want to enter the competitors in each start. Start 1 has
only
> provision for 3 fleets, if I enter the 4th fleet in one of
the "and'
> Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite, the one on the left in
the
> same line, and therefore not all competitors I require are
entered in
> the first start.
> >
> > Is there away around this problem or am I doing something
wrong?
> >
> > Cheers Wayne
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jcc2jcc
> > To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 5:50 AM
> > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Mixed Fleets
> >
> >
> >
> > Wayne:
> > Go into the Sail Number Wizard, Edit Race and add another
start.
> > You can have 3 fleets starting all recorded in one start or
you can
> > have 3 seperate fleets all recorded with the same start time
but
> > listed as 3 fleets.
> >
> > Yours
> > John Crawley
> >
> >
> > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Wayne Nolan
<wayne.nolan@p...> wrote:
> > > Hi all
> > >
> > > I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7
fleets of
> > mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts
the first
> > has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start
has two
> > fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the
fleets
> > and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for
3 fleets
> > if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it
eliminates the
> > fleet opposite.
> > >
> > > Can anyone advise how to get around this problem
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Wayne Nolan
> > >
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This is generalised now but not available yet; in fact it doesn't work yet.

Regards,
Colin J
www.sailwave.com
colin@sailwave.com

Wayne Nolan wrote:

···

Hi all

I have a small problem in that I have a race whereby 7 fleets of mixed boats are doing the same course. We have three starts the first has 4 fleets the second has one fleet and the third start has two fleets. When editing the Race, Starts 2 & 3 I can select the fleets and enter the competitors but start 1 has only provision for 3 fleets if I enter the 4th fleet in one of the "and' Fields it eliminates the fleet opposite.

Can anyone advise how to get around this problem

Cheers
Wayne Nolan

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