Apologies if this has been covered before.
At our club during our dinghy race handicap series we often have the same helm using different boats or, in the case of club boats, the same boat used by different helms.
How do I enter competitor information onto the different races so that when the series is scored a competitor appears as a single entry or a boat appears as multiple entries on the series summary.
Hope this is clear.
Thanks
We have the same issue – the Series spread over many weeks is scored by Helm and not by Boat, expressly so that people can sail more than one boat over the course of the series. Our racing is not so competitive that people pick the boat with the best handicap for the conditions – it is more that someone with two boats will take the one which will give the best boat-for-boat racing on the day.
A helm gets his entry for the series on the basis of the first boat he turns up with, then if he later turns up with another boat, the handicap is changed for the race(s) on that day using the “Edit Result”/ “Ratings” tab:
If there were going to be more than one race on the day, we would tick the box “Use until next race rating is specified” for the first result of the day.
We show what boat has been sailed in the race by putting a Note in the “Edit Race” window:
When the results are published, it looks like this – the Note and the PY value show that a different boat was sailed:
If you have different helms sailing the same boat, you just set up the Competitor in the usual way – Sailwave is quite happy to have the same boat twice in the list of competitors - but when you enter the results via the Sail Number Wizard, you will have to select a field which is unique to each entry to enter the results – we generally use Helm Name.
Hope this helps!
Ian Day
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July, 2016 11:32
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Multiple Boats - same helm or Multiple Helms same boats
Apologies if this has been covered before.
At our club during our dinghy race handicap series we often have the same helm using different boats or, in the case of club boats, the same boat used by different helms.
How do I enter competitor information onto the different races so that when the series is scored a competitor appears as a single entry or a boat appears as multiple entries on the series summary.
Hope this is clear.
Thanks
Brilliant – many thanks I’ll give it a go now.
John
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 18 July 2016 16:53
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Multiple Boats - same helm or Multiple Helms same boats
We have the same issue – the Series spread over many weeks is scored by Helm and not by Boat, expressly so that people can sail more
than one boat over the course of the series. Our racing is not so competitive that people pick the boat with the best handicap for the conditions – it is more that someone with two boats will take the one which will give the best boat-for-boat racing on the
day.
A helm gets his entry for the series on the basis of the first boat he turns up with, then if he later turns up with another boat, the
handicap is changed for the race(s) on that day using the “Edit Result”/ “Ratings” tab:
If there were going to be more than one race on the day, we would tick the box “Use until next race rating is specified” for the first
result of the day.
We show what boat has been sailed in the race by putting a Note in the “Edit Race” window:
When the results are published, it looks like this – the Note and the PY value show that a different boat was sailed:
If you have different helms sailing the same boat, you just set up the Competitor in the usual way – Sailwave is quite happy to have
the same boat twice in the list of competitors - but when you enter the results via the Sail Number Wizard, you will have to select a field which is unique to each entry to enter the results – we generally use Helm Name.
Hope this helps!
Ian Day
From:
sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, 18 July, 2016 11:32
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Multiple Boats - same helm or Multiple Helms same boats
Apologies if this has been covered before.
At our club during our dinghy race handicap series we often have the same helm using different boats or, in the case of club boats, the same boat used by different helms.
How do I enter competitor information onto the different races so that when the series is scored a competitor appears as a single entry or a boat appears as multiple entries on the series summary.
Hope this is clear.
Thanks
It would be a nice improvement for Sailwave if the edit results rating tab had the ability to enter an alternate boat to list in the individual results page as an option.
I was thinking about something like a reverse alias facility. I haven’t thought of a better alternative to what’s already been suggested.
This is the number one annoyance for me, because we run personal handicaps on our main series with aliases, so if someone enters an alternate boat I need to look up both handicaps manually, and make the change on both entries, which is a considerable nuisance.
However a much deeper concern is what happens to the Portsmouth Yardstick returns from Sailwave. Originally I went for the laborious exercise of disentangling all the multiple entries to separate boats at the end the series and using that for our return. Last season I tried leaving all the multiple boats as separate entries, and then combining them towards the end of the series, which made for much easier data entry and PY return, but was misleading and unfair to competitors.
But what does happen if there’s a return in which someone hasn’t disentangled the boats? How does Sailwave present these results with race ratings to the PYS website? If they are discarded then that’s not ideal but OK I suppose, but if they go onto the system that’s seriously corrupting data. Do I need to investigate this with my EHAG hat on? Hadn’t occurred to me the practice is reasonably widespread, but it seems it is.
Jim C
I seem to have opened Pandora’s Box. I’m really grateful for all the advice I have received and we now have a workable solution for the club.
John
Jim C is correct about PY returns and you must be careful to keep your data clean if you want upload to the PY system.
We have an overall aggregate series based on all the seasons’ races no matter what boat the helm sailed. A helm sailing various boats is recorded by boat to allow valid PY returns. At the end of the season we merge all the race scores without rescoring and then via an external spreadsheet zip together results for individual helms. The zipping together of results could be done for each series if desired but as Jim says the participants are in the dark until that is done. Each year that we do this we refine the process to fewer steps and ideally we would like to do it all in Sailwave.
On 19 July 2016 at 11:20, yho@devboats.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I was thinking about something like a reverse alias facility. I haven’t thought of a better alternative to what’s already been suggested.
This is the number one annoyance for me, because we run personal handicaps on our main series with aliases, so if someone enters an alternate boat I need to look up both handicaps manually, and make the change on both entries, which is a considerable nuisance.
However a much deeper concern is what happens to the Portsmouth Yardstick returns from Sailwave. Originally I went for the laborious exercise of disentangling all the multiple entries to separate boats at the end the series and using that for our return. Last season I tried leaving all the multiple boats as separate entries, and then combining them towards the end of the series, which made for much easier data entry and PY return, but was misleading and unfair to competitors.
But what does happen if there’s a return in which someone hasn’t disentangled the boats? How does Sailwave present these results with race ratings to the PYS website? If they are discarded then that’s not ideal but OK I suppose, but if they go onto the system that’s seriously corrupting data. Do I need to investigate this with my EHAG hat on? Hadn’t occurred to me the practice is reasonably widespread, but it seems it is.
Jim C
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