Multiple Rating Systems in single race?

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Broome Sailing Club currently uses “Finishing Line” software but looking for something easier to use.

I downloaded Sailwave and ran my last seasons race results through it using VYC Yardstick Rating system and the results tallied (thankfully!).

However, we currently award results using both Yardstick and (rolling) Handicap Ratings. Can this be done in Sailwave? i.e. a single entry of race times but results calculated using the two rating systems?

Thank you,

John Kennedy

BSC Treasurer

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I’ll probably use AMS Rating system for our Handicap results, but obviously don’t want to enter race times twice :slight_smile:

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Hi John,

Short answer, Yes. Sailwave can score using multiple rating systems

in one file. I have used it to score boats against 3 different
rating systems in one file. The functionality you need to look at is
Aliases. This will allow you to enter finish times once and score
against different rating systems with different ratings.

Kind regards,
Huw
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On 25/11/2014 06:36, [sailwave] wrote:

john@jrk.id.au

            Broome Sailing Club currently uses "Finishing Line"

software but looking for something easier to use.

            I downloaded Sailwave and ran my last seasons race

results through it using VYC Yardstick Rating system and
the results tallied (thankfully!).

            However, we currently award results using both

Yardstick and (rolling) Handicap Ratings. Can this be
done in Sailwave? i.e. a single entry of race times but
results calculated using the two rating systems?

Thank you,

John Kennedy

BSC Treasurer


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John,

What method are you using to compute rolling handicaps?

ADSC also awards results using both a yardstick (PY) and a rolling handicap (time on time). The latter are done using Excel spreadsheets and I’m looking for a better way.

Will be glad to have any tips.

Ian Grant

Race secretary

Abu Dhabi Sailing Club

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On 25 November 2014 at 10:36, john@jrk.id.au [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Broome Sailing Club currently uses “Finishing Line” software but looking for something easier to use.

I downloaded Sailwave and ran my last seasons race results through it using VYC Yardstick Rating system and the results tallied (thankfully!).

However, we currently award results using both Yardstick and (rolling) Handicap Ratings. Can this be done in Sailwave? i.e. a single entry of race times but results calculated using the two rating systems?

Thank you,

John Kennedy

BSC Treasurer

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Ian,

The latest version of Sailwave has incorporated facilities to use an

external Excel spreadsheet for revising (creating rolling ratings).
The default is all for the RYA NHC rating system, but others have
created a modified Excel file to reflect their mechanisms/algorithms
for recalculating/producing a new handicap.

Kind regards,
Huw
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On 25/11/2014 09:30, Ian Grant
[sailwave] wrote:

ian.grant12@gmail.com

John,

            What method are you using to compute rolling

handicaps?

            ADSC also awards results using both a yardstick

(PY) and a rolling handicap (time on time). The latter
are done using Excel spreadsheets and I’m looking for a
better way.

Will be glad to have any tips.

Ian Grant

Race secretary

Abu Dhabi Sailing Club

On 25 November 2014 at 10:36, john@jrk.id.au
[sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

                          Broome Sailing Club currently uses

“Finishing Line” software but looking for
something easier to use.

                          I downloaded Sailwave and ran my last

seasons race results through it using VYC
Yardstick Rating system and the results
tallied (thankfully!).

                          However, we currently award results

using both Yardstick and (rolling)
Handicap Ratings. Can this be done in
Sailwave? i.e. a single entry of race
times but results calculated using the two
rating systems?

Thank you,

John Kennedy

BSC Treasurer


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Hi Ian

I see Huw has just posted while I was writing this. Huw is correct - Your
best approach would be to use the NHC in external mode where you can
control the algorithm that is used for the handicap modification

NHC (National Handicap for Cruisers) is a progressive handicap developed by
the RYA and Sailwave supports NHC in internal and external mode. In
Internal mode all the calculations are done using the fixed rules for NHC
and Excel is not used/needed - in external mode the results for each race
are sent to Excel fully automatically (Excel is automatically started and a
predefined template auto loaded) The new calculated rating is
automatically transferred back into the next race within Sailwave. So
although the calculation for the new handicap rating is done via Excel the
scorer does not have to use/interact with Excel at all. Just the person
defining the algorithm needs to understand how Excel to set it up.

The templates for the NHC algorithm are supplied with the Sailwave download
so have a play with that and you will see how it works - Any questions
please come back, but it is easy to use the only difficult part is setting
up the template which is once off task.

Jon

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777

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On 25 November 2014 at 09:30, Ian Grant ian.grant12@gmail.com [sailwave] < sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

John,

What method are you using to compute rolling handicaps?

ADSC also awards results using both a yardstick (PY) and a rolling
handicap (time on time). The latter are done using Excel spreadsheets and
I'm looking for a better way.

Will be glad to have any tips.

Ian Grant
Race secretary
Abu Dhabi Sailing Club

On 25 November 2014 at 10:36, john@jrk.id.au [sailwave] < > sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Broome Sailing Club currently uses "Finishing Line" software but looking
for something easier to use.

I downloaded Sailwave and ran my last seasons race results through it
using VYC Yardstick Rating system and the results tallied (thankfully!).

However, we currently award results using both Yardstick and (rolling)
Handicap Ratings. Can this be done in Sailwave? i.e. a single entry of race
times but results calculated using the two rating systems?

Thank you,

John Kennedy

BSC Treasurer

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Okay, “Alias” it is. I can see how to duplicate a boat/entrant and (in my case) I’ve put the duplicate in a different fleet.

However, then I’m lost.

Do I have to enter the time for each boat twice?

When I “Score Series” I can only enter one scoring system, not the two I require.

Do you know if there is a cheat-sheet or some such available? I’ve searched without success. Lots of items mention using Alias when results required by different Scoring Systems, but not how to.

Sorry if I’m being dumb :frowning:

Regards, John K

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Hi John

There is this, on the group here, which includes a link to a video.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailwave/conversations/messages/14030

I have also attached a sample that is using Aliasing, in this case NHC although it could be any other, so you can have a play with this one.

You only have to enter the time once, the time for the alias will be entered automatically.

Please don’t hesitate to ask if you still have a problem after looking at these.

Regards

Jon

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On 26 November 2014 at 01:54, john@jrk.id.au [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Okay, “Alias” it is. I can see how to duplicate a boat/entrant and (in my case) I’ve put the duplicate in a different fleet.

However, then I’m lost.

Do I have to enter the time for each boat twice?

When I “Score Series” I can only enter one scoring system, not the two I require.

Do you know if there is a cheat-sheet or some such available? I’ve searched without success. Lots of items mention using Alias when results required by different Scoring Systems, but not how to.

Sorry if I’m being dumb :frowning:

Regards, John K

Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

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Hi John,

I have a more complicated set-up involving multiple aliases, 2

rating systems (IRC & RYA NHC) and 2 scoring systems (Standard
Low Point and a High Point) if you want would like it.

I also did a file using multiple aliases so competitors could be

scored using 3 different ratings systems (IRC, RAY NHC & Club
rating system) and 2 different scoring systems (Standard Low Point
and a High Point).

A warning - if you or others do make use of the external calculation

mode using Excel beware there is a limit on the number of
competitors that the interface tansfers. Jon can be more specific.
But I did run into the problem.

Kind regards,
Huw
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On 26/11/2014 09:48, Jon Eskdale
[sailwave] wrote:

jon@sailwave.com

Hi John

            There is this, on the group here, which includes a

link to a video.

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailwave/conversations/messages/14030

            I have also attached a sample that is using Aliasing,

in this case NHC although it could be any other, so you
can have a play with this one.

            You only have to enter the time once, the time for

the alias will be entered automatically.

            Please don't hesitate to ask if you still have a

problem after looking at these.

Regards

Jon

Jon Eskdale
07976 709777

Skype “eskdale”

On 26 November 2014 at 01:54, john@jrk.id.au
[sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

                        Okay, "Alias" it is. I can see how to

duplicate a boat/entrant and (in my case)
I’ve put the duplicate in a different fleet.

However, then I’m lost.

                        Do I have to enter the time for each boat

twice?

                        When I "Score Series" I can only enter

one scoring system, not the two I require.

                        Do you know if there is a cheat-sheet or

some such available? I’ve searched without
success. Lots of items mention using Alias
when results required by different Scoring
Systems, but not how to.

Sorry if I’m being dumb :frowning:

Regards, John K


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Thanks everyone for you help and support. I’ll now go away and play (with some known results from last season) to see how I get on with Sailwave.

No doubt I’ll be back if/when I get stuck.

Regards,