I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring system. I set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I entered the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each boat in all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see that the NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat, staying the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat coming in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked in on race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am mistaken!!
I've previously analyzed the RYA NHC documentation in detail and I
believe you are correct.
I haven't actually tried scoring with the new NHC system yet. I wonder
if you could provide your BLW file. I'm guessing there is a glitch
somewhere as I don't think that the results of a previous race should
later change just because that race is not used (i.e., is discarded) for
purposes of series scoring, regardless of how personal handicaps are
being determined.
Art
···
On 3/31/2013 2:10 PM, John wrote:
I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring system. I set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I entered the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each boat in all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see that the NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat, staying the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat coming in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked in on race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am mistaken!!
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Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as this
information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge, to
the calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
available I am sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report
back.
It would be useful to know if the version you are using is the one
available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has only
so far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have
not been made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out
another issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a
newer revision.
Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013 RYA
Youth Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this
week.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHCscoring system. I set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode)
for 3 boats in a 5 race series. I set all initial
Handicap’s to 1 and for each race I entered the same start
time and an end time 1 minute later for each boat in all
races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see
that the NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the
winning boat, staying the same for the boat coming second
and reducing for the boat coming in 3rd. This all changed
though when the first discard kicked in on race 3.
Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus
restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
read the details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don’t see
anything about changing the handicap if discards are
applied, or maybe I am mistaken!!
Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site yesterday it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st discard to race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard back to cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap number did not reappear.
This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem from a new series and I now have a different problem in which the lead boat in race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1. Quite mad. The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further examination.
Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@...> wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as this
information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge, to the
calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file available I am
sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.It would be useful to know if the version you are using is the one
available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has only so
far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have not been
made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out another
issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a newer revision.Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013 RYA Youth
Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
>
> I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring system. I
> set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race
> series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I entered
> the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each boat in
> all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see that the
> NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat, staying
> the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat coming
> in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked in on
> race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus
> restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the
> details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about
> changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am mistaken!!
>
>
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got at https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE
and should be the latest version available! You will need the
following files as well to go with latest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
application icon on windows explorer or right click and select
properties. FYI - The latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today before
the results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
(2013 RYA Youth Championships).
Kind regards,
Huw
[](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE)
···
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave WebSite yesterday it is version 2.9.4. I played around by
delaying the 1st discard to race 5 and this corrected the
problem I then put the discard back to cut in at race 3
and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap number
did not reappear.This morning I started from scratch to recreate theproblem from a new series and I now have a different
problem in which the lead boat in race 3 has had its
handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1. Quite mad. The
problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I
enter values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for
further examination.Regards, John --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com ,Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an
effect as this > information is not passed through, to the best of my
knowledge, to the > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW
file available I am > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report
back.It would be useful to know if the version you are
using is the one > available on the Sailwave web site or a later
revision that has only so > far been made available via this SUG. The later
revisions have not been > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to
sort out another > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before
uploading a newer revision.Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the
2013 RYA Youth > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual
this week.Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:I just loaded the new BETA version to test the
NHC scoring system. I > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3
boats in a 5 race > > series. I set all initial Handicap’s to 1 and
for each race I entered > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute
later for each boat in > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every
race. I could see that the > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the
winning boat, staying > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing
for the boat coming > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first
discard kicked in on > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned
back to 1 thus > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about?
When I read the > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don’t see
anything about > > changing the handicap if discards are applied,
or maybe I am mistaken!!
<huw.pearce@…>
Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
What does SWHelper do?
Please excuse my ignorance
Regards,
John.
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@...> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got at
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the latest
version available! You will need the following files as well to go with
latest SWHelper:* https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
* https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xlsTo see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the application
icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties. FYI - The
latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today before the
results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs (2013 RYA
Youth Championships).Kind regards,
Huw
<https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
>
> Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site yesterday
> it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st discard to
> race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard back to
> cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap
> number did not reappear.
>
> This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem from a new
> series and I now have a different problem in which the lead boat in
> race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1. Quite mad.
> The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter
> values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further examination.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as this
> > information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge, to the
> > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file available I am
> > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> >
> > It would be useful to know if the version you are using is the one
> > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has only so
> > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have not been
> > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out another
> > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a newer
> revision.
> >
> > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013 RYA Youth
> > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > >
> > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring system. I
> > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race
> > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I entered
> > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each boat in
> > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see that
> the
> > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat, staying
> > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat coming
> > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked in on
> > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus
> > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the
> > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about
> > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am
> mistaken!!
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
version of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0.
Please obtain the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same
problem.
-
Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
-
place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under theSailwave folder
SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
file and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
passes the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems
you have experienced. If not let us know.Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
while.Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old. What does SWHelper do? Please excuse my ignorance Regards, John. --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com ,Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you
have the latest > version of SWHelper file which can be got at > and should be the latest > version available! You will need the following files
as well to go with > latest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over
the application > icon on windows explorer or right click and select
properties. FYI - The > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later
today before the > results start coming ashore from the race teams here
in Largs (2013 RYA > Youth Championships).Kind regards,
Huw
<>
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the
Sailwave Web Site yesterday > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying
the 1st discard to > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put
the discard back to > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of
incorrect NHC handicap > > number did not reappear.This morning I started from scratch to recreate
the problem from a new > > series and I now have a different problem in
which the lead boat in > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from
the value 1. Quite mad. > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to
the order I enter > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file
for further examination.Regards,
John
— In , > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to
have an effect as thisinformation is not passed through, to the
best of my knowledge, to thecalculation routine. If you care to make
your .BLW file available I amsure Jon will and Art will take a look and
report back.It would be useful to know if the version
you are using is the oneavailable on the Sailwave web site or a
later revision that has only sofar been made available via this SUG. The
later revisions have not beenmade available on the web site as Jon is
trying to sort out anotherissue, not related to NHC functionality,
before uploading a newer > > revision.Jon is in Largs this week helping with
scoring at the 2013 RYA YouthNationals, so may not be quite as
responsive as usual this week.Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:I just loaded the new BETA version to
test the NHC scoring system. Iset up as a club NHC (not Regatta
mode) for 3 boats in a 5 raceseries. I set all initial Handicap’s
to 1 and for each race I enteredthe same start time and an end time 1
minute later for each boat inall races,i.e. consistant results for
every race. I could see that > > theNHC handicap was gradually increasing
for the winning boat, stayingthe same for the boat coming second
and reducing for the boat comingin 3rd. This all changed though when
the first discard kicked in onrace 3. Suddenly the lead boat
handicap returned back to 1 thusrestoring his dominance. What is that
all about? When I read thedetails of the NHC on the RYA site, I
don’t see anything aboutchanging the handicap if discards are
applied, or maybe I am > > mistaken!!
<huw.pearce@…>
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
Hi Hugh,
OK I understand. I'll try this out and let you know how I get on.
Thanks for your help and support.
Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@...> wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original version
of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please obtain
the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.* Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
* place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
folderSWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW file
and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or passes
the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
have experienced. If not let us know.Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
>
> Hi Huw,
>
> My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
>
> What does SWHelper do?
>
> Please excuse my ignorance
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
> > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the latest
> > version available! You will need the following files as well to go with
> > latest SWHelper:
> >
> > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> >
> >
> > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the application
> > icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties. FYI -
> The
> > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> >
> > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today before the
> > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs (2013 RYA
> > Youth Championships).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
> yesterday
> > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st discard to
> > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard back to
> > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap
> > > number did not reappear.
> > >
> > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem from a
> new
> > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead boat in
> > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1. Quite mad.
> > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter
> > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
> examination.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as this
> > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge,
> to the
> > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> available I am
> > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > >
> > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using is the one
> > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has
> only so
> > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have
> not been
> > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out another
> > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a newer
> > > revision.
> > > >
> > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013 RYA Youth
> > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Huw
> > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
> system. I
> > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race
> > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I
> entered
> > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
> boat in
> > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see
> that
> > > the
> > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
> staying
> > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat
> coming
> > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked
> in on
> > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus
> > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the
> > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about
> > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am
> > > mistaken!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Hi Hugh,
I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed the blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and supporting xls files have the necessary fix.
If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC will it automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or will this need to be done manually for now?
I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if it throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA version.
Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@...> wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original version
of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please obtain
the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.* Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
* place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
folderSWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW file
and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or passes
the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
have experienced. If not let us know.Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
>
> Hi Huw,
>
> My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
>
> What does SWHelper do?
>
> Please excuse my ignorance
>
> Regards,
>
> John.
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
> > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the latest
> > version available! You will need the following files as well to go with
> > latest SWHelper:
> >
> > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> >
> >
> > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the application
> > icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties. FYI -
> The
> > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> >
> > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today before the
> > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs (2013 RYA
> > Youth Championships).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
> yesterday
> > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st discard to
> > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard back to
> > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap
> > > number did not reappear.
> > >
> > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem from a
> new
> > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead boat in
> > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1. Quite mad.
> > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter
> > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
> examination.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as this
> > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge,
> to the
> > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> available I am
> > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > >
> > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using is the one
> > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has
> only so
> > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have
> not been
> > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out another
> > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a newer
> > > revision.
> > > >
> > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013 RYA Youth
> > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Huw
> > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
> system. I
> > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 race
> > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I
> entered
> > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
> boat in
> > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see
> that
> > > the
> > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
> staying
> > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat
> coming
> > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked
> in on
> > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1 thus
> > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I read the
> > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about
> > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am
> > > mistaken!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Hi John,
Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
cured.
Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
Hi Hugh,
I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems tohave fixed the blw file that I posted so I guess these
latest Helper and supporting xls files have the necessary
fix.If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave onanother PC will it automatically also install the latest
SWHelper.exe and xls files or will this need to be done
manually for now?I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have nowand see if it throws up any other issues. I guess that
this is the idea of a BETA version.Regards, John --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com ,Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is
the original version > of the NHC functionality, the latest version is
1.0.18.0. Please obtain > the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same
problem.
- Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the
sailwave.exe
- place the two .XLS files in the templates folder
under the Sailwave
folderSWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the
Sailwave .BLW file > and performs either internally (faster) the NHC
calculations or passes > the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides
all the NHC > functionality.Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome
the problems you > have experienced. If not let us know.Just starting to get results in so may be slower to
respond for a while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite
old.What does SWHelper do?
Please excuse my ignorance
Regards,
John.
— In , > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing
- do you have the latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got
atand should be the latest
version available! You will need the
following files as well to go withlatest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have,
hover over the applicationicon on windows explorer or right click and
select properties. FYI - > > Thelatest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload
file later today before theresults start coming ashore from the race
teams here in Largs (2013 RYAYouth Championships).
Kind regards,
Huw
<>
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:Yes I downloaded the BETA version from
the Sailwave Web Site > > yesterdayit is version 2.9.4. I played around
by delaying the 1st discard torace 5 and this corrected the problem
I then put the discard back tocut in at race 3 and the original
fault of incorrect NHC handicapnumber did not reappear.
This morning I started from scratch to
recreate the problem from a > > newseries and I now have a different
problem in which the lead boat inrace 3 has had its handicap reduced to
0 from the value 1. Quite mad.The problems I am seeing appear to be
related to the order I entervalues. I will see how I can upload
the blw file for further > > examination.Regards,
John
— In > > ,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:Hi John,
I would not expect a discard
cutting in to have an effect as thisinformation is not passed
through, to the best of my knowledge, > > to thecalculation routine. If you care
to make your .BLW file > > available I amsure Jon will and Art will take a
look and report back.It would be useful to know if the
version you are using is the oneavailable on the Sailwave web
site or a later revision that has > > only sofar been made available via this
SUG. The later revisions have > > not beenmade available on the web site as
Jon is trying to sort out anotherissue, not related to NHC
functionality, before uploading a newerrevision.
Jon is in Largs this week helping
with scoring at the 2013 RYA YouthNationals, so may not be quite as
responsive as usual this week.Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:I just loaded the new BETA
version to test the NHC scoring > > system. Iset up as a club NHC (not
Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5 raceseries. I set all initial
Handicap’s to 1 and for each race I > > enteredthe same start time and an
end time 1 minute later for each > > boat inall races,i.e. consistant
results for every race. I could see > > thatthe
NHC handicap was gradually
increasing for the winning boat, > > stayingthe same for the boat coming
second and reducing for the boat > > comingin 3rd. This all changed
though when the first discard kicked > > in onrace 3. Suddenly the lead
boat handicap returned back to 1 thusrestoring his dominance.
What is that all about? When I read thedetails of the NHC on the
RYA site, I don’t see anything aboutchanging the handicap if
discards are applied, or maybe I ammistaken!!
<huw.pearce@…>
sailwave@yahoogroups.commailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE
sailwave@yahoogroups.com
mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.commailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
Hi Hugh,
Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have been doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race but with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with and NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected time appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying with C= E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing something here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get the corrected time?
I'll upload an example series result pdf
Kind Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@...> wrote:
Hi John,
Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been cured.
Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed the
> blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and supporting
> xls files have the necessary fix.
>
> If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC will it
> automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
> will this need to be done manually for now?
>
> I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if it
> throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
> version.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original version
> > of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please obtain
> > the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
> >
> > * Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
> > * place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
> > folder
> >
> > SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW file
> > and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or passes
> > the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
> >
> > Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
> > functionality.
> >
> > Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
> > have experienced. If not let us know.
> >
> > Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a while.
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Huw,
> > >
> > > My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
> > >
> > > What does SWHelper do?
> > >
> > > Please excuse my ignorance
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John.
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
> > > > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the
> latest
> > > > version available! You will need the following files as well to
> go with
> > > > latest SWHelper:
> > > >
> > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
> application
> > > > icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties.
> FYI -
> > > The
> > > > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> > > >
> > > > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
> before the
> > > > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
> (2013 RYA
> > > > Youth Championships).
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Huw
> > > > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > > > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
> > > yesterday
> > > > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
> discard to
> > > > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard
> back to
> > > > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap
> > > > > number did not reappear.
> > > > >
> > > > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
> from a
> > > new
> > > > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
> boat in
> > > > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
> Quite mad.
> > > > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter
> > > > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
> > > examination.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as
> this
> > > > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge,
> > > to the
> > > > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> > > available I am
> > > > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using is
> the one
> > > > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has
> > > only so
> > > > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have
> > > not been
> > > > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out
> another
> > > > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a
> newer
> > > > > revision.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013
> RYA Youth
> > > > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
> > > system. I
> > > > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5
> race
> > > > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each race I
> > > entered
> > > > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
> > > boat in
> > > > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see
> > > that
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
> > > staying
> > > > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat
> > > coming
> > > > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked
> > > in on
> > > > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1
> thus
> > > > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
> read the
> > > > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything about
> > > > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am
> > > > > mistaken!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Hi John,
Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using for each Race/Competitor
If you press “F6” then “r” Sailwave will display the ratings used for each calculation.
I’m not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn’t appear to be the rating that is being used
Look forward to hearing from you
Jon
···
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 April 2013 18:24, John johnlstokes2002@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Hi Hugh,
Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have been doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race but with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with and NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected time appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying with C= E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing something here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get the corrected time?
I’ll upload an example series result pdf
Kind Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@…> wrote:
Hi John,
Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been cured.
Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
Hi Hugh,
I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed the
blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and supporting
xls files have the necessary fix.
If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC will it
automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
will this need to be done manually for now?
I’ll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if it
throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
version.
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original version
of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please obtain
the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
- Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
- place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
folder
SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW file
and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or passes
the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.
Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
have experienced. If not let us know.
Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
What does SWHelper do?
Please excuse my ignorance
Regards,
John.
mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got at
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the
latest
version available! You will need the following files as well to
go with
latest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
application
icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties.
FYI -
The
latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
before the
results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
(2013 RYA
Youth Championships).
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
yesterday
it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
discard to
race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard
back to
cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC handicap
number did not reappear.
This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
from a
new
series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
boat in
race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
Quite mad.
The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I enter
values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
examination.
Regards,
John
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as
this
information is not passed through, to the best of my knowledge,
to the
calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
available I am
sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
It would be useful to know if the version you are using is
the one
available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that has
only so
far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions have
not been
made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out
another
issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a
newer
revision.
Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013
RYA Youth
Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this week.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
system. I
set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5
race
series. I set all initial Handicap’s to 1 and for each race I
entered
the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
boat in
all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could see
that
the
NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
staying
the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the boat
coming
in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard kicked
in on
race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1
thus
restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
read the
details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don’t see anything about
changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I am
mistaken!!
OK Jon,
I'll upload a screen shot of F6 then r view. It will be uploaded as a Word doc page.
Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:
Hi John,
Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using
for each Race/Competitor
If you press "F6" then "r" Sailwave will display the ratings used for each
calculation.I'm not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn't appear to be the
rating that is being usedLook forward to hearing from you
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777On 1 April 2013 18:24, John <johnlstokes2002@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have been
> doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a
> period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by
> continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race but
> with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with and
> NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected time
> appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the
> calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying with C=
> E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing something
> here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed
> time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get the
> corrected time?
>
> I'll upload an example series result pdf
>
> Kind Regards,
>
>
> John
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
> cured.
> >
> > Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
> > files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Hugh,
> > >
> > > I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed the
> > > blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and supporting
> > > xls files have the necessary fix.
> > >
> > > If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC will it
> > > automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
> > > will this need to be done manually for now?
> > >
> > > I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if it
> > > throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
> > > version.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
> version
> > > > of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please
> obtain
> > > > the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
> > > >
> > > > * Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
> > > > * place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
> > > > folder
> > > >
> > > > SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
> file
> > > > and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
> passes
> > > > the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
> > > >
> > > > Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
> > > > functionality.
> > > >
> > > > Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
> > > > have experienced. If not let us know.
> > > >
> > > > Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
> while.
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Huw
> > > > On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Huw,
> > > > >
> > > > > My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does SWHelper do?
> > > > >
> > > > > Please excuse my ignorance
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > John.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
> >,
>
> > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the
> latest
> > > > > > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > > > > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the
> > > latest
> > > > > > version available! You will need the following files as well to
> > > go with
> > > > > > latest SWHelper:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
> > > application
> > > > > > icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties.
> > > FYI -
> > > > > The
> > > > > > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
> > > before the
> > > > > > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
> > > (2013 RYA
> > > > > > Youth Championships).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > > > > > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
> > > > > yesterday
> > > > > > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
> > > discard to
> > > > > > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard
> > > back to
> > > > > > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC
> handicap
> > > > > > > number did not reappear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
> > > from a
> > > > > new
> > > > > > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
> > > boat in
> > > > > > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
> > > Quite mad.
> > > > > > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I
> enter
> > > > > > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
> > > > > examination.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as
> > > this
> > > > > > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my
> knowledge,
> > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> > > > > available I am
> > > > > > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using is
> > > the one
> > > > > > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that
> has
> > > > > only so
> > > > > > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions
> have
> > > > > not been
> > > > > > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out
> > > another
> > > > > > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a
> > > newer
> > > > > > > revision.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013
> > > RYA Youth
> > > > > > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this
> week.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
> > > > > system. I
> > > > > > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5
> > > race
> > > > > > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each
> race I
> > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
> > > > > boat in
> > > > > > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could
> see
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
> > > > > staying
> > > > > > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the
> boat
> > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard
> kicked
> > > > > in on
> > > > > > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1
> > > thus
> > > > > > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
> > > read the
> > > > > > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see anything
> about
> > > > > > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I
> am
> > > > > > > mistaken!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
Hi John,
I downloaded and ran your blw but I don’t get the same times as you - See screen shots below
I think mine look OK I’ve put yours below just for easy reference - I agree yours are not correct although I don’t understand how you generated them as when I generated them they seem correct. The calculation of corrected time from the rating and elapsed time is done by the standard Sailwave code and has nothing to do with the NHC code. The NHC code generates the ratings but does not do the calculation of the corrected time and the positions.
···
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 April 2013 20:06, John johnlstokes2002@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
OK Jon,
I’ll upload a screen shot of F6 then r view. It will be uploaded as a Word doc page.
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@…> wrote:
Hi John,
Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using
for each Race/Competitor
If you press “F6” then “r” Sailwave will display the ratings used for each
calculation.
I’m not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn’t appear to be the
rating that is being used
Look forward to hearing from you
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 April 2013 18:24, John <johnlstokes2002@…> wrote:
**
Hi Hugh,
Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have been
doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a
period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by
continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race but
with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with and
NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected time
appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the
calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying with C=
E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing something
here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed
time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get the
corrected time?
I’ll upload an example series result pdf
Kind Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
cured.
Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
Hi Hugh,
I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed the
blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and supporting
xls files have the necessary fix.
If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC will it
automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
will this need to be done manually for now?
I’ll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if it
throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
version.
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
version
of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please
obtain
the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
- Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
- place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the Sailwave
folder
SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
file
and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
passes
the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.
Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the problems you
have experienced. If not let us know.
Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
What does SWHelper do?
Please excuse my ignorance
Regards,
John.
mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the
latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got at
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be the
latest
version available! You will need the following files as well to
go with
latest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
application
icon on windows explorer or right click and select properties.
FYI -
The
latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
before the
results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
(2013 RYA
Youth Championships).
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web Site
yesterday
it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
discard to
race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the discard
back to
cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC
handicap
number did not reappear.
This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
from a
new
series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
boat in
race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
Quite mad.
The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order I
enter
values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for further
examination.
Regards,
John
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an effect as
this
information is not passed through, to the best of my
knowledge,
to the
calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
available I am
sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
It would be useful to know if the version you are using is
the one
available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision that
has
only so
far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions
have
not been
made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort out
another
issue, not related to NHC functionality, before uploading a
newer
revision.
Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the 2013
RYA Youth
Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual this
week.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC scoring
system. I
set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in a 5
race
series. I set all initial Handicap’s to 1 and for each
race I
entered
the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for each
boat in
all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I could
see
that
the
NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning boat,
staying
the same for the boat coming second and reducing for the
boat
coming
in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard
kicked
in on
race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back to 1
thus
restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
read the
details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don’t see anything
about
changing the handicap if discards are applied, or maybe I
am
mistaken!!
Well that is strange, I am running your BETA version 2.9.4 with the latest SWHelper and xls files. Is it because I am running it in Windows 7?
One odd thing I get when I run this version of Sailwave is that it always asks if I want to load a later version of sailwave but the version it offers me is the older 2.8.5 so I decline.
What do you think I should do now?
Regards,
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:
Hi John,
I downloaded and ran your blw but I don't get the same times as you - See
screen shots belowI think mine look OK I've put yours below just for easy reference - I agree
yours are not correct although I don't understand how you generated them as
when I generated them they seem correct. The calculation of corrected time
from the rating and elapsed time is done by the standard Sailwave code and
has nothing to do with the NHC code. The NHC code generates the ratings
but does not do the calculation of the corrected time and the positions.Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777On 1 April 2013 20:06, John <johnlstokes2002@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> OK Jon,
>
> I'll upload a screen shot of F6 then r view. It will be uploaded as a Word
> doc page.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using
> > for each Race/Competitor
> > If you press "F6" then "r" Sailwave will display the ratings used for
> each
> > calculation.
> >
> > I'm not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn't appear to be the
> > rating that is being used
> >
> > Look forward to hearing from you
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > Jon Eskdale
> > Sailwave
> > 03333 443377
> > 07976 709777
> >
> >
> > On 1 April 2013 18:24, John <johnlstokes2002@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Hugh,
> > >
> > > Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have
> been
> > > doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a
> > > period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by
> > > continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race
> but
> > > with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with
> and
> > > NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected
> time
> > > appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the
> > > calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying
> with C=
> > > E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing
> something
> > > here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed
> > > time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get
> the
> > > corrected time?
> > >
> > > I'll upload an example series result pdf
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi John,
> > > >
> > > > Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
> > > cured.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
> > > > files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards,
> > > > Huw
> > > > On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Hugh,
> > > > >
> > > > > I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed
> the
> > > > > blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and
> supporting
> > > > > xls files have the necessary fix.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC
> will it
> > > > > automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
> > > > > will this need to be done manually for now?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if
> it
> > > > > throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
> > > > > version.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
> >,
> > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
> > > version
> > > > > > of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please
> > > obtain
> > > > > > the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
> > > > > > * place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the
> Sailwave
> > > > > > folder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
> > > file
> > > > > > and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
> > > passes
> > > > > > the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
> > > > > > functionality.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the
> problems you
> > > > > > have experienced. If not let us know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
> > > while.
> > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Huw,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What does SWHelper do?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please excuse my ignorance
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > John.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
> > > >,
> > >
> > > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the
> > > latest
> > > > > > > > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > > > > > > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be
> the
> > > > > latest
> > > > > > > > version available! You will need the following files as well
> to
> > > > > go with
> > > > > > > > latest SWHelper:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > > > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
> > > > > application
> > > > > > > > icon on windows explorer or right click and select
> properties.
> > > > > FYI -
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
> > > > > before the
> > > > > > > > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
> > > > > (2013 RYA
> > > > > > > > Youth Championships).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > > > > > > > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web
> Site
> > > > > > > yesterday
> > > > > > > > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
> > > > > discard to
> > > > > > > > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the
> discard
> > > > > back to
> > > > > > > > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC
> > > handicap
> > > > > > > > > number did not reappear.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
> > > > > from a
> > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
> > > > > boat in
> > > > > > > > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
> > > > > Quite mad.
> > > > > > > > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order
> I
> > > enter
> > > > > > > > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for
> further
> > > > > > > examination.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an
> effect as
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my
> > > knowledge,
> > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> > > > > > > available I am
> > > > > > > > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using
> is
> > > > > the one
> > > > > > > > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision
> that
> > > has
> > > > > > > only so
> > > > > > > > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions
> > > have
> > > > > > > not been
> > > > > > > > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort
> out
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before
> uploading a
> > > > > newer
> > > > > > > > > revision.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the
> 2013
> > > > > RYA Youth
> > > > > > > > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual
> this
> > > week.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC
> scoring
> > > > > > > system. I
> > > > > > > > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in
> a 5
> > > > > race
> > > > > > > > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each
> > > race I
> > > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for
> each
> > > > > > > boat in
> > > > > > > > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I
> could
> > > see
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning
> boat,
> > > > > > > staying
> > > > > > > > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for
> the
> > > boat
> > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard
> > > kicked
> > > > > > > in on
> > > > > > > > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back
> to 1
> > > > > thus
> > > > > > > > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
> > > > > read the
> > > > > > > > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see
> anything
> > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or
> maybe I
> > > am
> > > > > > > > > mistaken!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
I'm sorted I think. I rebooted the PC and all calcs seem to work in club and regatta modes.
Sorry to be a pain
John
···
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "John" <johnlstokes2002@...> wrote:
Well that is strange, I am running your BETA version 2.9.4 with the latest SWHelper and xls files. Is it because I am running it in Windows 7?
One odd thing I get when I run this version of Sailwave is that it always asks if I want to load a later version of sailwave but the version it offers me is the older 2.8.5 so I decline.
What do you think I should do now?
Regards,
John
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I downloaded and ran your blw but I don't get the same times as you - See
> screen shots below
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I think mine look OK I've put yours below just for easy reference - I agree
> yours are not correct although I don't understand how you generated them as
> when I generated them they seem correct. The calculation of corrected time
> from the rating and elapsed time is done by the standard Sailwave code and
> has nothing to do with the NHC code. The NHC code generates the ratings
> but does not do the calculation of the corrected time and the positions.
>
>
>
>
>
> Jon Eskdale
> Sailwave
> 03333 443377
> 07976 709777
>
>
> On 1 April 2013 20:06, John <johnlstokes2002@> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > OK Jon,
> >
> > I'll upload a screen shot of F6 then r view. It will be uploaded as a Word
> > doc page.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi John,
> > >
> > > Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using
> > > for each Race/Competitor
> > > If you press "F6" then "r" Sailwave will display the ratings used for
> > each
> > > calculation.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn't appear to be the
> > > rating that is being used
> > >
> > > Look forward to hearing from you
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > Jon Eskdale
> > > Sailwave
> > > 03333 443377
> > > 07976 709777
> > >
> > >
> > > On 1 April 2013 18:24, John <johnlstokes2002@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Hugh,
> > > >
> > > > Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have
> > been
> > > > doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a
> > > > period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by
> > > > continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race
> > but
> > > > with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with
> > and
> > > > NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected
> > time
> > > > appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the
> > > > calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying
> > with C=
> > > > E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing
> > something
> > > > here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed
> > > > time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get
> > the
> > > > corrected time?
> > > >
> > > > I'll upload an example series result pdf
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi John,
> > > > >
> > > > > Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
> > > > cured.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
> > > > > files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > Huw
> > > > > On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Hugh,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed
> > the
> > > > > > blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and
> > supporting
> > > > > > xls files have the necessary fix.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC
> > will it
> > > > > > automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
> > > > > > will this need to be done manually for now?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if
> > it
> > > > > > throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
> > > > > > version.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
> > >,
> > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
> > > > version
> > > > > > > of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please
> > > > obtain
> > > > > > > the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > * Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
> > > > > > > * place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the
> > Sailwave
> > > > > > > folder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
> > > > file
> > > > > > > and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
> > > > passes
> > > > > > > the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
> > > > > > > functionality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the
> > problems you
> > > > > > > have experienced. If not let us know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
> > > > while.
> > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Huw,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What does SWHelper do?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please excuse my ignorance
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > John.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:
> > sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > >,
> > > >
> > > > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the
> > > > latest
> > > > > > > > > version of SWHelper file which can be got at
> > > > > > > > > https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be
> > the
> > > > > > latest
> > > > > > > > > version available! You will need the following files as well
> > to
> > > > > > go with
> > > > > > > > > latest SWHelper:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc3.xls
> > > > > > > > > * https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/swnhc4.xls
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
> > > > > > application
> > > > > > > > > icon on windows explorer or right click and select
> > properties.
> > > > > > FYI -
> > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
> > > > > > before the
> > > > > > > > > results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
> > > > > > (2013 RYA
> > > > > > > > > Youth Championships).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > > > <https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE>
> > > > > > > > > On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web
> > Site
> > > > > > > > yesterday
> > > > > > > > > > it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
> > > > > > discard to
> > > > > > > > > > race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the
> > discard
> > > > > > back to
> > > > > > > > > > cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC
> > > > handicap
> > > > > > > > > > number did not reappear.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
> > > > > > from a
> > > > > > > > new
> > > > > > > > > > series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
> > > > > > boat in
> > > > > > > > > > race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
> > > > > > Quite mad.
> > > > > > > > > > The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order
> > I
> > > > enter
> > > > > > > > > > values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for
> > further
> > > > > > > > examination.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > John
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi John,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an
> > effect as
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > information is not passed through, to the best of my
> > > > knowledge,
> > > > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > > > calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
> > > > > > > > available I am
> > > > > > > > > > > sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It would be useful to know if the version you are using
> > is
> > > > > > the one
> > > > > > > > > > > available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision
> > that
> > > > has
> > > > > > > > only so
> > > > > > > > > > > far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > not been
> > > > > > > > > > > made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort
> > out
> > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > issue, not related to NHC functionality, before
> > uploading a
> > > > > > newer
> > > > > > > > > > revision.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the
> > 2013
> > > > > > RYA Youth
> > > > > > > > > > > Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual
> > this
> > > > week.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > Huw
> > > > > > > > > > > On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC
> > scoring
> > > > > > > > system. I
> > > > > > > > > > > > set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in
> > a 5
> > > > > > race
> > > > > > > > > > > > series. I set all initial Handicap's to 1 and for each
> > > > race I
> > > > > > > > entered
> > > > > > > > > > > > the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for
> > each
> > > > > > > > boat in
> > > > > > > > > > > > all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I
> > could
> > > > see
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning
> > boat,
> > > > > > > > staying
> > > > > > > > > > > > the same for the boat coming second and reducing for
> > the
> > > > boat
> > > > > > > > coming
> > > > > > > > > > > > in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard
> > > > kicked
> > > > > > > > in on
> > > > > > > > > > > > race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back
> > to 1
> > > > > > thus
> > > > > > > > > > > > restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
> > > > > > read the
> > > > > > > > > > > > details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don't see
> > anything
> > > > about
> > > > > > > > > > > > changing the handicap if discards are applied, or
> > maybe I
> > > > am
> > > > > > > > > > mistaken!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
No problem John, Glad its working - look forward to hearing from you on how you get on. Any problems don’t hesitate to ask - there is always room for improvements and always keen to hear how people use it.
Jon
···
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 2 April 2013 11:58, John johnlstokes2002@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I’m sorted I think. I rebooted the PC and all calcs seem to work in club and regatta modes.
Sorry to be a pain
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “John” <johnlstokes2002@…> wrote:
Well that is strange, I am running your BETA version 2.9.4 with the latest SWHelper and xls files. Is it because I am running it in Windows 7?
One odd thing I get when I run this version of Sailwave is that it always asks if I want to load a later version of sailwave but the version it offers me is the older 2.8.5 so I decline.
What do you think I should do now?
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
Hi John,
I downloaded and ran your blw but I don’t get the same times as you - See
screen shots below
I think mine look OK I’ve put yours below just for easy reference - I agree
yours are not correct although I don’t understand how you generated them as
when I generated them they seem correct. The calculation of corrected time
from the rating and elapsed time is done by the standard Sailwave code and
has nothing to do with the NHC code. The NHC code generates the ratings
but does not do the calculation of the corrected time and the positions.
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 April 2013 20:06, John <johnlstokes2002@> wrote:
**
OK Jon,
I’ll upload a screen shot of F6 then r view. It will be uploaded as a Word
doc page.
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
Hi John,
Could you do a screen shot or publish the Ratings that Sailwave is using
for each Race/Competitor
If you press “F6” then “r” Sailwave will display the ratings used for
each
calculation.
I’m not sure what the NHC1 is displaying as this doesn’t appear to be the
rating that is being used
Look forward to hearing from you
Jon
Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777
On 1 April 2013 18:24, John <johnlstokes2002@> wrote:
**
Hi Hugh,
Now having thought I have a working BETA sailwave app for NHC I have
been
doing more experimental tests. I did a test to check convergence over a
period of races for the club and the regatta mode NHC1 and NHC2 by
continuing to enter the same elapsed times for each boat in each race
but
with a 1 minute difference between each boat, all boats starting with
and
NHC# of 1.000 I found for club mode convergence to the same corrected
time
appeared to be achieved faster than regatta mode. When I looked at the
calculated corrected times however I found that it is not complying
with C=
E x NHC# with the one exception where NHC# = 1.000. Am I missing
something
here or am I being stupid. Is it a simple multiplication of the elapsed
time in seconds with the NHC# or is there some other factoring to get
the
corrected time?
I’ll upload an example series result pdf
Kind Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Pleased hear that the problems you have been having so far have been
cured.
Unfortunately you will have to install the SWHelper.exe and two .XLS
files on a new PC, the install of Sailwave does not install them.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 13:41, John wrote:
Hi Hugh,
I downloaded and install the 3 files and that seems to have fixed
the
blw file that I posted so I guess these latest Helper and
supporting
xls files have the necessary fix.
If I install the latest BETA version of Sailwave on another PC
will it
automatically also install the latest SWHelper.exe and xls files or
will this need to be done manually for now?
I’ll do some more dummy test results on what I have now and see if
it
throws up any other issues. I guess that this is the idea of a BETA
version.
Regards,
John
— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com <mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Yes the version of SWHelper you have been using is the original
version
of the NHC functionality, the latest version is 1.0.18.0. Please
obtain
the 3 files listed below and see if you have the same problem.
- Place the SWHelper.exe in the same folder as the sailwave.exe
- place the two .XLS files in the templates folder under the
Sailwave
folder
SWHelper is the utility that extracts data from the Sailwave .BLW
file
and performs either internally (faster) the NHC calculations or
passes
the data into Excel so the calculations are visible.
Simplistically, SWHelper is the utility that provides all the NHC
functionality.
Hope this helps and that the newer versions overcome the
problems you
have experienced. If not let us know.
Just starting to get results in so may be slower to respond for a
while.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:59, John wrote:
Hi Huw,
My SWHelper is version 1.0.9.0, obviously quite old.
What does SWHelper do?
Please excuse my ignorance
Regards,
John.
mailto:sailwave%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:
sailwave%40yahoogroups.com
,
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
Thanks for the information. One other thing - do you have the
latest
version of SWHelper file which can be got at
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/220425/SWHelper.EXE and should be
the
latest
version available! You will need the following files as well
to
go with
latest SWHelper:
To see which version of SWHelper you have, hover over the
application
icon on windows explorer or right click and select
properties.
FYI -
The
latest version of SWHelper 1.0.18.
Jon is hoping to have alook at your upload file later today
before the
results start coming ashore from the race teams here in Largs
(2013 RYA
Youth Championships).
Kind regards,
Huw
On 01/04/2013 11:01, John wrote:
Yes I downloaded the BETA version from the Sailwave Web
Site
yesterday
it is version 2.9.4. I played around by delaying the 1st
discard to
race 5 and this corrected the problem I then put the
discard
back to
cut in at race 3 and the original fault of incorrect NHC
handicap
number did not reappear.
This morning I started from scratch to recreate the problem
from a
new
series and I now have a different problem in which the lead
boat in
race 3 has had its handicap reduced to 0 from the value 1.
Quite mad.
The problems I am seeing appear to be related to the order
I
enter
values. I will see how I can upload the blw file for
further
examination.
Regards,
John
Huw Pearce <huw.pearce@> wrote:
Hi John,
I would not expect a discard cutting in to have an
effect as
this
information is not passed through, to the best of my
knowledge,
to the
calculation routine. If you care to make your .BLW file
available I am
sure Jon will and Art will take a look and report back.
It would be useful to know if the version you are using
is
the one
available on the Sailwave web site or a later revision
that
has
only so
far been made available via this SUG. The later revisions
have
not been
made available on the web site as Jon is trying to sort
out
another
issue, not related to NHC functionality, before
uploading a
newer
revision.
Jon is in Largs this week helping with scoring at the
2013
RYA Youth
Nationals, so may not be quite as responsive as usual
this
week.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 31/03/2013 22:10, John wrote:
I just loaded the new BETA version to test the NHC
scoring
system. I
set up as a club NHC (not Regatta mode) for 3 boats in
a 5
race
series. I set all initial Handicap’s to 1 and for each
race I
entered
the same start time and an end time 1 minute later for
each
boat in
all races,i.e. consistant results for every race. I
could
see
that
the
NHC handicap was gradually increasing for the winning
boat,
staying
the same for the boat coming second and reducing for
the
boat
coming
in 3rd. This all changed though when the first discard
kicked
in on
race 3. Suddenly the lead boat handicap returned back
to 1
thus
restoring his dominance. What is that all about? When I
read the
details of the NHC on the RYA site, I don’t see
anything
about
changing the handicap if discards are applied, or
maybe I
am
mistaken!!