Odd Scoring Situation and a Resolution

Hi SUG Members,

Last week I was scoring the Zhik 29er World Championship at the new

Plas Heli facility in Pwllheli, North Wales and an unusual scoring
issue arose.

A Request for Redress was submitted to the Jury for consideration

and their decision was to award average points to the competitor for
two races, e.g . RDGa. The scoring code was changed from DNC
to RDGa for both races and the series was re-scored. This was where
the issue arose.

When the series was re-scored unexpected things happened, I can not

remember the all the effects but two were in one race the leader was
scored 2 points instead of 1 point and in the other race the leader
was scored 0.5 points not 1 point. Somewhere deep in Sailwave the
scoring logic does not expect to encounter a situation where a boat
is given redress via RDGa code when it does not have a finish place.

**The solution** is to give the boat in question a finish place,

any will do but makes sense to make it last place for the race then
switch to the scoring code for the boat using the radio buttons in
the ‘Edit result’ window for the boat/competitor. Then when the
series is re-scored everything is OK.

Kind regards,

Huw
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It scores correctly using version 2.19.0.

Peter van Muyden

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On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:59 AM, nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd and the next competitor gets 3 points. Help!

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick

I am also using 2.19.4

Notice that races with one “OOD” code result in 0.5 points for first place and 1 extra point for all other places…

If you edit the OOD results there is nothing in the “Elapsed time” field - as you would expect.

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However if you enter a decimal number in that field and leave the “Code” field selected;

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then “Rescore” the problem is resolved for that race. You need to do it for each race exhibiting 0.5 points for first place.

Over to Jon…?

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On 17 August 2015 at 18:59, nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd and the next competitor gets 3 points. Help!

​​

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick

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Nick,

I can not explain what is going on but I have found a work around.

In the attached file I have put a dummy elapsed time for each
occurrence of OOD. I did this using the following steps for each
occurrence of OOD code:

  • right click cell with OOD code and select edit result

  •     click elapsed time radio button and entered dummy time of
    

    59.59

  • click code radio button

  • click OK
    Then I scored the series.

    As I said Jon is looking at the issue and is aware of of Peter van
    Muyden’s comment about working is Sailwave 2-19-0. Unfortunately,
    Jon has on issue with his server which he is having to resolve
    before he can look for code differences between 2-19-0 and following
    versions to try and identify when and where the issue arose.

    Tomorrow if Jon is not able to find the problem area I will track
    back through Sailwave versions 2-19-1, 2-19-2 and 2-19-3 to see if
    they exhibit he same problem. So helping Jon narrow the issue down.

    Kind regards,

    Huw

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nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

          Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd and

the next competitor gets 3 points. Help!

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick


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We just upgraded to 2.19.4 and spotted the same 0.5pts for 1st error when using our fixed 3pts for OD code

I managed a work around by un checking This is a code where rule A6.2 applies in the properties tab

image1.jpeg

Hope this helps resolve the issue

William Carruthers

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On 17/08/2015 18:59,
[sailwave] wrote:

nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

          Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd and

the next competitor gets 3 points. Help!

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick


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Hi Nick,

Jon finally sorted out his PC problems late last night and

determined that a change in Sailwave version 2-19-1 seems to be the
cause. Further investigation is being undertaken.

The change that seems to have caused the scoring problems reported

by you and a couple of others was to address and highly unusual but
possible situation when using the PHRF ToD rating system where the
corrected time could be negative. The PHRF ToD formula “Corrected =
Elapsed - (Rating*Distance)”.

Jon is planning to release a new version soon with the code

introduced in version 2-19-1 removed. More work will be done on
investigating the potential for Corrected times under PHRF ToD to be
negative. Perhaps Art Engel could help our understanding.

Kind regards,
Huw
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On 17/08/2015 22:54, Huw Pearce
[sailwave] wrote:

huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk

Nick,

          I can not explain what is going on but I have found a work

around. In the attached file I have put a dummy elapsed
time for each occurrence of OOD. I did this using the
following steps for each occurrence of OOD code:

  • right click cell with OOD code and select edit result

  •             click elapsed time radio button and entered dummy time
    

    of 59.59

  • click code radio button

  • click OK
    Then I scored the series.

          As I said Jon is looking at the issue and is aware of of
    

Peter van Muyden’s comment about working is Sailwave 2-19-0.
Unfortunately, Jon has on issue with his server which he is
having to resolve before he can look for code differences
between 2-19-0 and following versions to try and identify
when and where the issue arose.

        Tomorrow if Jon is not able to find the problem area I will

track back through Sailwave versions 2-19-1, 2-19-2 and
2-19-3 to see if they exhibit he same problem. So helping
Jon narrow the issue down.

        Kind regards,

        Huw

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          On 17/08/2015 18:59, [sailwave] wrote:

nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

              Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd

and the next competitor gets 3 points. Help!

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick


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I suppose it is possible in theory to have negative corrected times but
I wouldn't expect it in practice.

My area (Southern California PHRF) has handicaps from -135 to 270. To
come up with a negative corrected time, the -135 boat would have to have
an average speed around the course of 3600/135 = 26.7 kts. A boat with a
rating of -150 would need an average speed of 24 kts (3600/150 = 24).
Neither seems likely, though certainly possible. In general, bigger
boats with such high performance don't sail under PHRF, which started as
a system aimed at much slower and lower performance boats.

The anomaly is created by the choice of a base (or 0-rated) boat. With
~50 years of history I don't see the base boat being changed so the
problem won't be going away. But, not sure I'd worry much about it now.
My advice would be delete it for now and put it back in when you can get
it working properly.

Art

PS - I think the IRC base boat (rates 1.000) has a PHRF rating of around 90.

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On 8/18/2015 12:42 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Hi Nick,

Jon finally sorted out his PC problems late last night and determined
that a change in Sailwave version 2-19-1 seems to be the cause. Further
investigation is being undertaken.

The change that seems to have caused the scoring problems reported by
you and a couple of others was to address and highly unusual but
possible situation when using the PHRF ToD rating system where the
corrected time could be negative. The PHRF ToD formula "Corrected =
Elapsed - (Rating*Distance)".

Jon is planning to release a new version soon with the code introduced
in version 2-19-1 removed. More work will be done on investigating the
potential for Corrected times under PHRF ToD to be negative. Perhaps Art
Engel could help our understanding.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 17/08/2015 22:54, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] wrote:

Nick,

I can not explain what is going on but I have found a work around. In
the attached file I have put a dummy elapsed time for each occurrence
of OOD. I did this using the following steps for each occurrence of
OOD code:

  * right click cell with OOD code and select edit result
  * click elapsed time radio button and entered dummy time of 59.59
  * click code radio button
  * click OK

Then I scored the series.

As I said Jon is looking at the issue and is aware of of Peter van
Muyden's comment about working is Sailwave 2-19-0. Unfortunately, Jon
has on issue with his server which he is having to resolve before he
can look for code differences between 2-19-0 and following versions to
try and identify when and where the issue arose.

Tomorrow if Jon is not able to find the problem area I will track back
through Sailwave versions 2-19-1, 2-19-2 and 2-19-3 to see if they
exhibit he same problem. So helping Jon narrow the issue down.

Kind regards,
Huw

On 17/08/2015 18:59, nick.pearce@dsl.pipex.com [sailwave] wrote:

Huw

I have the same problem in the attached file.

Some competitors have a point of 0.5 there is no 2nd and the next
competitor gets 3 points. Help!

I am using 2.19.4

Have a look at the 1st, 6th and 17th competitors.

Nick

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