Opti One design scoring

[MSchneider]

VICTORY!!!!

Thankyou Jon! my US colleague shot me an email and I just tried the update. Pefect!

I have no idea why the group list lags.
Let me run the event this weekend and get some feedback. I promised US Opti world a short cheat sheet on how to use Sailwave for Opti events and other Junior events. I will draft that an start a new thread for any Opti event scorekeepers to comment on.

RE excluding the other competitors... Yes... that was my plan.
RE seperate sheets... on reflection I agree with you.
Re Windows Messages.... I have no idea what this means. or how it works.... Is this a customizable coaching overlay that could help a casual sailwave scorer work through an event? That would be worth spending some time on.

Thanks again.... You continue the spectacular tradition of responding to the needs of the Sailing community... thanks again
Mark

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

I've put a new version on the Sailwave site under the Download beta its
version 2.11.0. Basically if you Score all competitors as one group and
select a sorting field it now publishes them as separate tables. You
change the publish order and select which ones are printed in the same
manor as you can when you score groups of competitors separately.

So you have a few options now. Your long reply only came in about an hour
and a half ago. I wouldn't join the published pages together keep them as
separate pages on the server and just link to them. Publishing them all in
one go you wouldn't be able to adjust the order of the both divisions and
sub divisions at the same time.

This version of Sailwave can be controlled by windows messages so if there
is a special sequence of events that are common I could automate that with
a separate program.

If you want to exclude a block of competitors use the Tools - set
competitor field and set the Exclude field to 1 for those. That might be
obvious to you but I've seen many people do it manually.

Ketts solution looks interesting - I'll have to try that

Let us know how it goes

Jon

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777

On 28 June 2013 00:29, MarkS <mschneid@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> See below
>
> >
> > So as I understand it Sailwave does every thing you need except that when
> > you select the option
> >
> > Score all competitors as one group - scoring system is applied once and
> you
> > sort the results by a specified field e.g. Division after scoring
> >
> > You would like then to be able to publish the divisions as separate
> tables
> > rather than as a single table with all the divisions following one after
> > the other as it currently does.
> >
> > I'm sure we can add that option for you.
> >
> > Let me know
>
> Hi Jon
> Yes, that could work. The limitation is that the blw file would have to
> contain only one class Opti (Red white blue) sub divisions... Opti Green is
> a separate class and could not be scored with Opti.
>
> I could make that work for the weekend.
>
> Long term... This would still be a difiult solution. a club will run
> juniors in a multiclass format and enter them all at registration...
> usually by hand into a blw file.. Sometimes they don't have a separate
> green fleet (beginners course) and so they would have one finish line
> scoring the two class Opti Green and Opti. (Red White blue sub divisions)
> They will collect finish positions form the 2or three race circles and
> enter finish position. They will hit score the regatta and get Opti Green
> and Opti overall scores plus laser and 420 scores in Score by Fleet. All
> will work properly and you will have a single Html file that looks great.
>
> Then they will have go back to the blw file... exclude Opti Green and all
> other sailors (Lasers, 420s) from the event.
> Score the regatta again overall by changing to score regatta as a single
> group and also ticking the box right below. That would then feed the
> results into your new print out solution which will generate a second html
> file for the special sub division scores.
>
> A better solution would be to add the the option to score by Fleet SUB
> divisions (RWB) to just the selected fleet eg Opti Fleet group score plus
> the sub division tables without having to make a second pass and combine
> html files for publishing.. (Obviously this differs then score by divisions
> in the score by fleet part of the program)
>
> Red White and Blue are age groups that are populated by the sailors Date
> of birth relative to the regatta date. I am told Sailwave can do this
> already (I have not looked into it) since I am given the RWB divisions by
> the regatta registration system.
>
> I don't know how they score masters and grand masters in adult events...
> do they usually rescore the division or just keep the rank scoring like
> Opti world??
>
> Thanks for the tip on entering sail numbers in the wizard... I have a
> separate usb numeric keypad to make the number entering easier on my
> laptop. I certainly missed this addition over the interval. I will try the
> tip this weekend.
>
> I have never used an html editor... so I have not tried John's suggestion.
> At worst ... I have Sat am to figure it out.
>
> Thanks Mark
>
>
> > If you haven't used the latest version of Sailwave - have a look at some
> of
> > the new features such as when you are entering the results through the
> > sailno wizard - use the + key instead of the enter key and it saves you
> > pressing the enter twice - you then use the enter if you want to enter a
> > scoring code rather than just the next position. And may be the Alternate
> > Sailno when they change sails.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jon Eskdale
> > Sailwave
> > 03333 443377
> > 07976 709777
> >
> >
> > On 27 June 2013 19:43, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > AHH.... NOOOOOOOOO .... HTML hacking on a hot saturday afternoon just
> to
> > > get seperate red white and blue scoresheets.. This does not sound like
> a
> > > plan. Certainly not something I want to do with at least one beer in
> > > hand.... Don't even mention Sunday!
> > >
> > > Jon, This is a truly terrible solution for sailwave scorekeepers. In my
> > > region alone. we have as many as three junior events a week during the
> > > summer and all events will have Opti Red White and Blue scored this way
> > > plus Opti Green, plus Laser radial, Laser and 420s.
> > > This will take two sailwave blw files... (Lasers, 420's and Opti
> Greens)
> > > and a second blw file for scoring Opti's RED WHITE and BLUE and
> OVERALL)
> > > And I will have to hack the html of the Opti overall sorted into
> divisions
> > > to generate red white and blue... THEN hack the OD scoring html file
> plus
> > > the opti overall file PLUS the hacked Red white and blue files to
> generate
> > > one html file to publish.
> > >
> > > Sadly, this is not a solution.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter - Mobile <jrculter@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > We like HTML-Kit tools. There's s free version.
> > > >
> > > > jrc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi John and Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > >In correspondance with US opti world.
> > > > >From what I can tell, US OPTI World protocal is to not distinguish
> red
> > > > >white and blue divisions in your overall scoring. The kids are
> > > > >competing in one class against each other EG. (1 to 50). You then
> > > > >award additional prizes in the age groups, red white and blue and
> you
> > > > >publish score sheet for these sub groups EG 1 to 15) BUT you keep
> the
> > > > >rank scoring from the overall score. (Unlike an adult class where
> the
> > > > >red fleet would be rescored against each other)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >US Opti world scores the Opti class overall Sailwave manages this
> ...
> > > > >no problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >US Opti world then scores three sub divisions Red White and Blue.
> > > > >Sailwave manges this no problem.... You have the default settings
> and
> > > > >simply check score competitors as one group. and then tick the
> button
> > > > >sort results by field after scoring. No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >the problem is getting this set of results Published in a convient
> and
> > > > >pretty manner. IE publish the sub divisions (red white and blue) AS
> > > > >IF they were fleets scored seperately (but using the rank ordered
> > > > >overall scores when competitors are scored as one big group.
> > > > >
> > > > >Opti world is confused if you score the red fleet sailors as if they
> > > > >were just one race... (score results by divsion red white or blue)
> > > > >(This is the format of all sailwave opti results that you see
> published
> > > > >on the web.
> > > > >
> > > > >This is going to really stink this weekend.
> > > > >Can you recomend an html editor that would allow me to chop up the
> HTML
> > > > >file.... or have a work around?
> > > > >
> > > > >This is a link to last years JO Opti scoring pdf file
> > > > >
> > >
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NmMyOTFjNTg5ZTZhNTVkZA
> > > > >
> > > > >I hate the java score format but it is doing the sub fleet scoring
> the
> > > > >way opti world desires.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks
> > > > >Mark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter <jrculter@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mark,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What we usually do is set up a division for the Optis and show the
> > > > >div as
> > > > >> Red, Blue or White. This is easier if you also enter the DOB for
> the
> > > > >> competitors. Then you can sort this list and easily enter the div
> (or
> > > > >> fleet, if you prefer). When you print the Opti overall, just go
> down
> > > > >the
> > > > >> list and look for the top Red, Blue and White boats.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I usually try to have separate files per circle, but there's no
> > > > >reason to
> > > > >> do that if you don't want to. A single file will suffice.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> jrc
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >> John Culter IRO CAN
> > > > >> Vancouver Canada
> > > > >> 604-908-3119
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, MarkS wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hi guys... more cobwebs to erase... (sucks getting old).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I need to score an Opti One design class with 1 start and three
> sub
> > > > >> > divisions. I can score overall by fleet (Opti) and I also need
> to
> > > > >score
> > > > >> > in Red White and Blue (Division) keeping the rank orders of the
> > > > >overall.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > And the regatta also has a different race circle of junior Laser
> > > > >Radials
> > > > >> > and C420s.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > So, from sailwave of yore... I need to check a box on score
> > > > >overall sort
> > > > >> > by divison which preserved the rank order of the opti overall
> > > > >results.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Do I need to click the multiple first seconds thirds box in
> global
> > > > >setup?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Do I need to have two blw files for the two circles... IE there
> is
> > > > >no way
> > > > >> > to score Opti R W and B, Opti overall, Lasers and C420's in one
> > > > >pass?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks
> > > > >> > Mark
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > > >> >
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[MSchneider]

Hi Jon

These are the bugs in the beta version of sailwave as of Sat Night.

Seed Competitors …the Clear button only clears the first column… not the second column.

Publish Notes on the competitor lists…. HTML Formating code appears as text.

When you Score the fleets, the scoring on the spreadsheet table does not change... it remains as entered. I think you get the total and nett correct tho.

Had to revert to old version… Then I closed it and used the beta for opening the blw file and publishing the Red White and blue results.

Very workable tho.. Thank god you flagged that enter tip... 150 competitors and 6 races can make you see stars.
Mark

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "MarkS" <mschneid@...> wrote:

VICTORY!!!!

Thankyou Jon! my US colleague shot me an email and I just tried the update. Pefect!

I have no idea why the group list lags.
Let me run the event this weekend and get some feedback. I promised US Opti world a short cheat sheet on how to use Sailwave for Opti events and other Junior events. I will draft that an start a new thread for any Opti event scorekeepers to comment on.

RE excluding the other competitors... Yes... that was my plan.
RE seperate sheets... on reflection I agree with you.
Re Windows Messages.... I have no idea what this means. or how it works.... Is this a customizable coaching overlay that could help a casual sailwave scorer work through an event? That would be worth spending some time on.

Thanks again.... You continue the spectacular tradition of responding to the needs of the Sailing community... thanks again
Mark

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> I've put a new version on the Sailwave site under the Download beta its
> version 2.11.0. Basically if you Score all competitors as one group and
> select a sorting field it now publishes them as separate tables. You
> change the publish order and select which ones are printed in the same
> manor as you can when you score groups of competitors separately.
>
> So you have a few options now. Your long reply only came in about an hour
> and a half ago. I wouldn't join the published pages together keep them as
> separate pages on the server and just link to them. Publishing them all in
> one go you wouldn't be able to adjust the order of the both divisions and
> sub divisions at the same time.
>
> This version of Sailwave can be controlled by windows messages so if there
> is a special sequence of events that are common I could automate that with
> a separate program.
>
> If you want to exclude a block of competitors use the Tools - set
> competitor field and set the Exclude field to 1 for those. That might be
> obvious to you but I've seen many people do it manually.
>
> Ketts solution looks interesting - I'll have to try that
>
> Let us know how it goes
>
> Jon
>
> Jon Eskdale
> Sailwave
> 03333 443377
> 07976 709777
>
>
> On 28 June 2013 00:29, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > See below
> >
> > >
> > > So as I understand it Sailwave does every thing you need except that when
> > > you select the option
> > >
> > > Score all competitors as one group - scoring system is applied once and
> > you
> > > sort the results by a specified field e.g. Division after scoring
> > >
> > > You would like then to be able to publish the divisions as separate
> > tables
> > > rather than as a single table with all the divisions following one after
> > > the other as it currently does.
> > >
> > > I'm sure we can add that option for you.
> > >
> > > Let me know
> >
> > Hi Jon
> > Yes, that could work. The limitation is that the blw file would have to
> > contain only one class Opti (Red white blue) sub divisions... Opti Green is
> > a separate class and could not be scored with Opti.
> >
> > I could make that work for the weekend.
> >
> > Long term... This would still be a difiult solution. a club will run
> > juniors in a multiclass format and enter them all at registration...
> > usually by hand into a blw file.. Sometimes they don't have a separate
> > green fleet (beginners course) and so they would have one finish line
> > scoring the two class Opti Green and Opti. (Red White blue sub divisions)
> > They will collect finish positions form the 2or three race circles and
> > enter finish position. They will hit score the regatta and get Opti Green
> > and Opti overall scores plus laser and 420 scores in Score by Fleet. All
> > will work properly and you will have a single Html file that looks great.
> >
> > Then they will have go back to the blw file... exclude Opti Green and all
> > other sailors (Lasers, 420s) from the event.
> > Score the regatta again overall by changing to score regatta as a single
> > group and also ticking the box right below. That would then feed the
> > results into your new print out solution which will generate a second html
> > file for the special sub division scores.
> >
> > A better solution would be to add the the option to score by Fleet SUB
> > divisions (RWB) to just the selected fleet eg Opti Fleet group score plus
> > the sub division tables without having to make a second pass and combine
> > html files for publishing.. (Obviously this differs then score by divisions
> > in the score by fleet part of the program)
> >
> > Red White and Blue are age groups that are populated by the sailors Date
> > of birth relative to the regatta date. I am told Sailwave can do this
> > already (I have not looked into it) since I am given the RWB divisions by
> > the regatta registration system.
> >
> > I don't know how they score masters and grand masters in adult events...
> > do they usually rescore the division or just keep the rank scoring like
> > Opti world??
> >
> > Thanks for the tip on entering sail numbers in the wizard... I have a
> > separate usb numeric keypad to make the number entering easier on my
> > laptop. I certainly missed this addition over the interval. I will try the
> > tip this weekend.
> >
> > I have never used an html editor... so I have not tried John's suggestion.
> > At worst ... I have Sat am to figure it out.
> >
> > Thanks Mark
> >
> >
> > > If you haven't used the latest version of Sailwave - have a look at some
> > of
> > > the new features such as when you are entering the results through the
> > > sailno wizard - use the + key instead of the enter key and it saves you
> > > pressing the enter twice - you then use the enter if you want to enter a
> > > scoring code rather than just the next position. And may be the Alternate
> > > Sailno when they change sails.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > > Jon Eskdale
> > > Sailwave
> > > 03333 443377
> > > 07976 709777
> > >
> > >
> > > On 27 June 2013 19:43, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > AHH.... NOOOOOOOOO .... HTML hacking on a hot saturday afternoon just
> > to
> > > > get seperate red white and blue scoresheets.. This does not sound like
> > a
> > > > plan. Certainly not something I want to do with at least one beer in
> > > > hand.... Don't even mention Sunday!
> > > >
> > > > Jon, This is a truly terrible solution for sailwave scorekeepers. In my
> > > > region alone. we have as many as three junior events a week during the
> > > > summer and all events will have Opti Red White and Blue scored this way
> > > > plus Opti Green, plus Laser radial, Laser and 420s.
> > > > This will take two sailwave blw files... (Lasers, 420's and Opti
> > Greens)
> > > > and a second blw file for scoring Opti's RED WHITE and BLUE and
> > OVERALL)
> > > > And I will have to hack the html of the Opti overall sorted into
> > divisions
> > > > to generate red white and blue... THEN hack the OD scoring html file
> > plus
> > > > the opti overall file PLUS the hacked Red white and blue files to
> > generate
> > > > one html file to publish.
> > > >
> > > > Sadly, this is not a solution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter - Mobile <jrculter@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark,
> > > > >
> > > > > We like HTML-Kit tools. There's s free version.
> > > > >
> > > > > jrc
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Hi John and Jon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In correspondance with US opti world.
> > > > > >From what I can tell, US OPTI World protocal is to not distinguish
> > red
> > > > > >white and blue divisions in your overall scoring. The kids are
> > > > > >competing in one class against each other EG. (1 to 50). You then
> > > > > >award additional prizes in the age groups, red white and blue and
> > you
> > > > > >publish score sheet for these sub groups EG 1 to 15) BUT you keep
> > the
> > > > > >rank scoring from the overall score. (Unlike an adult class where
> > the
> > > > > >red fleet would be rescored against each other)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >US Opti world scores the Opti class overall Sailwave manages this
> > ...
> > > > > >no problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >US Opti world then scores three sub divisions Red White and Blue.
> > > > > >Sailwave manges this no problem.... You have the default settings
> > and
> > > > > >simply check score competitors as one group. and then tick the
> > button
> > > > > >sort results by field after scoring. No problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >the problem is getting this set of results Published in a convient
> > and
> > > > > >pretty manner. IE publish the sub divisions (red white and blue) AS
> > > > > >IF they were fleets scored seperately (but using the rank ordered
> > > > > >overall scores when competitors are scored as one big group.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Opti world is confused if you score the red fleet sailors as if they
> > > > > >were just one race... (score results by divsion red white or blue)
> > > > > >(This is the format of all sailwave opti results that you see
> > published
> > > > > >on the web.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This is going to really stink this weekend.
> > > > > >Can you recomend an html editor that would allow me to chop up the
> > HTML
> > > > > >file.... or have a work around?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This is a link to last years JO Opti scoring pdf file
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NmMyOTFjNTg5ZTZhNTVkZA
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I hate the java score format but it is doing the sub fleet scoring
> > the
> > > > > >way opti world desires.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks
> > > > > >Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter <jrculter@> wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Mark,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> What we usually do is set up a division for the Optis and show the
> > > > > >div as
> > > > > >> Red, Blue or White. This is easier if you also enter the DOB for
> > the
> > > > > >> competitors. Then you can sort this list and easily enter the div
> > (or
> > > > > >> fleet, if you prefer). When you print the Opti overall, just go
> > down
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >> list and look for the top Red, Blue and White boats.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I usually try to have separate files per circle, but there's no
> > > > > >reason to
> > > > > >> do that if you don't want to. A single file will suffice.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> jrc
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ----------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > > >> John Culter IRO CAN
> > > > > >> Vancouver Canada
> > > > > >> 604-908-3119
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, MarkS wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > Hi guys... more cobwebs to erase... (sucks getting old).
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I need to score an Opti One design class with 1 start and three
> > sub
> > > > > >> > divisions. I can score overall by fleet (Opti) and I also need
> > to
> > > > > >score
> > > > > >> > in Red White and Blue (Division) keeping the rank orders of the
> > > > > >overall.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > And the regatta also has a different race circle of junior Laser
> > > > > >Radials
> > > > > >> > and C420s.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > So, from sailwave of yore... I need to check a box on score
> > > > > >overall sort
> > > > > >> > by divison which preserved the rank order of the opti overall
> > > > > >results.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Do I need to click the multiple first seconds thirds box in
> > global
> > > > > >setup?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Do I need to have two blw files for the two circles... IE there
> > is
> > > > > >no way
> > > > > >> > to score Opti R W and B, Opti overall, Lasers and C420's in one
> > > > > >pass?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Thanks
> > > > > >> > Mark
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
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[Sailwave]

Hi Mark

Sounds like you have a very busy time. As for the seeding will look at that really strange as I’m 99.9% sure I haven’t changed that - well at least deliberately.

I have been using version 2.10 myself for testing and once saw the grid format not change to display the scored points, although all the data was correct and there it was just in the wrong display mode - You can switch it manually though using:- View - Show results cells as - scored points, or the quick way press F6 p. I’ll see if I can reproduce it and fix it.

HTML code as text I’ve not tried that that yet on the later versions will give it a try

Thanks

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 30 June 2013 04:39, MarkS mschneid@msn.com wrote:

Hi Jon

These are the bugs in the beta version of sailwave as of Sat Night.

Seed Competitors …the Clear button only clears the first column… not the second column.

Publish Notes on the competitor lists…. HTML Formating code appears as text.

When you Score the fleets, the scoring on the spreadsheet table does not change… it remains as entered. I think you get the total and nett correct tho.

Had to revert to old version… Then I closed it and used the beta for opening the blw file and publishing the Red White and blue results.

Very workable tho… Thank god you flagged that enter tip… 150 competitors and 6 races can make you see stars.
Mark

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “MarkS” <mschneid@…> wrote:

VICTORY!!!

Thankyou Jon! my US colleague shot me an email and I just tried the update. Pefect!

I have no idea why the group list lags.

Let me run the event this weekend and get some feedback. I promised US Opti world a short cheat sheet on how to use Sailwave for Opti events and other Junior events. I will draft that an start a new thread for any Opti event scorekeepers to comment on.

RE excluding the other competitors… Yes… that was my plan.

RE seperate sheets… on reflection I agree with you.

Re Windows Messages… I have no idea what this means. or how it works… Is this a customizable coaching overlay that could help a casual sailwave scorer work through an event? That would be worth spending some time on.

Thanks again… You continue the spectacular tradition of responding to the needs of the Sailing community… thanks again

Mark

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:

Hi Mark,

I’ve put a new version on the Sailwave site under the Download beta its

version 2.11.0. Basically if you Score all competitors as one group and

select a sorting field it now publishes them as separate tables. You

change the publish order and select which ones are printed in the same

manor as you can when you score groups of competitors separately.

So you have a few options now. Your long reply only came in about an hour

and a half ago. I wouldn’t join the published pages together keep them as

separate pages on the server and just link to them. Publishing them all in

one go you wouldn’t be able to adjust the order of the both divisions and

sub divisions at the same time.

This version of Sailwave can be controlled by windows messages so if there

is a special sequence of events that are common I could automate that with

a separate program.

If you want to exclude a block of competitors use the Tools - set

competitor field and set the Exclude field to 1 for those. That might be

obvious to you but I’ve seen many people do it manually.

Ketts solution looks interesting - I’ll have to try that

Let us know how it goes

Jon

Jon Eskdale

Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 28 June 2013 00:29, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:

**

See below

So as I understand it Sailwave does every thing you need except that when

you select the option

Score all competitors as one group - scoring system is applied once and

you

sort the results by a specified field e.g. Division after scoring

You would like then to be able to publish the divisions as separate

tables

rather than as a single table with all the divisions following one after

the other as it currently does.

I’m sure we can add that option for you.

Let me know

Hi Jon

Yes, that could work. The limitation is that the blw file would have to

contain only one class Opti (Red white blue) sub divisions… Opti Green is

a separate class and could not be scored with Opti.

I could make that work for the weekend.

Long term… This would still be a difiult solution. a club will run

juniors in a multiclass format and enter them all at registration…

usually by hand into a blw file… Sometimes they don’t have a separate

green fleet (beginners course) and so they would have one finish line

scoring the two class Opti Green and Opti. (Red White blue sub divisions)

They will collect finish positions form the 2or three race circles and

enter finish position. They will hit score the regatta and get Opti Green

and Opti overall scores plus laser and 420 scores in Score by Fleet. All

will work properly and you will have a single Html file that looks great.

Then they will have go back to the blw file… exclude Opti Green and all

other sailors (Lasers, 420s) from the event.

Score the regatta again overall by changing to score regatta as a single

group and also ticking the box right below. That would then feed the

results into your new print out solution which will generate a second html

file for the special sub division scores.

A better solution would be to add the the option to score by Fleet SUB

divisions (RWB) to just the selected fleet eg Opti Fleet group score plus

the sub division tables without having to make a second pass and combine

html files for publishing… (Obviously this differs then score by divisions

in the score by fleet part of the program)

Red White and Blue are age groups that are populated by the sailors Date

of birth relative to the regatta date. I am told Sailwave can do this

already (I have not looked into it) since I am given the RWB divisions by

the regatta registration system.

I don’t know how they score masters and grand masters in adult events…

do they usually rescore the division or just keep the rank scoring like

Opti world??

Thanks for the tip on entering sail numbers in the wizard… I have a

separate usb numeric keypad to make the number entering easier on my

laptop. I certainly missed this addition over the interval. I will try the

tip this weekend.

I have never used an html editor… so I have not tried John’s suggestion.

At worst … I have Sat am to figure it out.

Thanks Mark

If you haven’t used the latest version of Sailwave - have a look at some

of

the new features such as when you are entering the results through the

sailno wizard - use the + key instead of the enter key and it saves you

pressing the enter twice - you then use the enter if you want to enter a

scoring code rather than just the next position. And may be the Alternate

Sailno when they change sails.

Jon

Jon Eskdale

Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 27 June 2013 19:43, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:

**

AHH… NOOOOOOOOO … HTML hacking on a hot saturday afternoon just

to

get seperate red white and blue scoresheets… This does not sound like

a

plan. Certainly not something I want to do with at least one beer in

hand… Don’t even mention Sunday!

Jon, This is a truly terrible solution for sailwave scorekeepers. In my

region alone. we have as many as three junior events a week during the

summer and all events will have Opti Red White and Blue scored this way

plus Opti Green, plus Laser radial, Laser and 420s.

This will take two sailwave blw files… (Lasers, 420’s and Opti

Greens)

and a second blw file for scoring Opti’s RED WHITE and BLUE and

OVERALL)

And I will have to hack the html of the Opti overall sorted into

divisions

to generate red white and blue… THEN hack the OD scoring html file

plus

the opti overall file PLUS the hacked Red white and blue files to

generate

one html file to publish.

Sadly, this is not a solution.

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter - Mobile <jrculter@>

wrote:

Mark,

We like HTML-Kit tools. There’s s free version.

jrc

MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:

Hi John and Jon.

In correspondance with US opti world.

From what I can tell, US OPTI World protocal is to not distinguish

red

white and blue divisions in your overall scoring. The kids are

competing in one class against each other EG. (1 to 50). You then

award additional prizes in the age groups, red white and blue and

you

publish score sheet for these sub groups EG 1 to 15) BUT you keep

the

rank scoring from the overall score. (Unlike an adult class where

the

red fleet would be rescored against each other)

US Opti world scores the Opti class overall Sailwave manages this

…

no problem.

US Opti world then scores three sub divisions Red White and Blue.

Sailwave manges this no problem… You have the default settings

and

simply check score competitors as one group. and then tick the

button

sort results by field after scoring. No problem.

the problem is getting this set of results Published in a convient

and

pretty manner. IE publish the sub divisions (red white and blue) AS

IF they were fleets scored seperately (but using the rank ordered

overall scores when competitors are scored as one big group.

Opti world is confused if you score the red fleet sailors as if they

were just one race… (score results by divsion red white or blue)

(This is the format of all sailwave opti results that you see

published

on the web.

This is going to really stink this weekend.

Can you recomend an html editor that would allow me to chop up the

HTML

file… or have a work around?

This is a link to last years JO Opti scoring pdf file

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NmMyOTFjNTg5ZTZhNTVkZA

I hate the java score format but it is doing the sub fleet scoring

the

way opti world desires.

Thanks

Mark

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter <jrculter@> wrote:

Mark,

What we usually do is set up a division for the Optis and show the

div as

Red, Blue or White. This is easier if you also enter the DOB for

the

competitors. Then you can sort this list and easily enter the div

(or

fleet, if you prefer). When you print the Opti overall, just go

down

the

list and look for the top Red, Blue and White boats.

I usually try to have separate files per circle, but there’s no

reason to

do that if you don’t want to. A single file will suffice.

jrc

---

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Vancouver Canada

604-908-3119

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, MarkS wrote:

Hi guys… more cobwebs to erase… (sucks getting old).

I need to score an Opti One design class with 1 start and three

sub

divisions. I can score overall by fleet (Opti) and I also need

to

score

in Red White and Blue (Division) keeping the rank orders of the

overall.

And the regatta also has a different race circle of junior Laser

Radials

and C420s.

So, from sailwave of yore… I need to check a box on score

overall sort

by divison which preserved the rank order of the opti overall

results.

Do I need to click the multiple first seconds thirds box in

global

setup?

Do I need to have two blw files for the two circles… IE there

is

no way

to score Opti R W and B, Opti overall, Lasers and C420’s in one

pass?

Thanks

Mark

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[MSchneider]

Score as one group sort by Division Print those divisons works well!

BUT it will suck a casual scorekeeper into making a big mistake. The results table is only valid AFTER you exclude all but the groups that you want and then score. Selecting the division box and the field DOES NOT automatically exclude competitors as you might initially think.

I suggest that you Flag this when you check … The sort by field… with a reminder to exclude all other competitors to get the scores that you want.…

So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions.. Masters Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you would have to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one group/divisions Then exclude all but 5o5's…. Score as one group/divisions.
The version 2.11 prints out the divisions in the order that you want very nicely….. However, the scoring pit fall will cause you some pain!!! (Don't ask me how I know)

A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World.. This is a very different world then adult regattas...Asking them to exclude competitors is a lot... They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage...

It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as the division on the publish result.
Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division ….. versus just the Division….. Blue Division

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@...> wrote:

Hi Mark

Sounds like you have a very busy time. As for the seeding will look at
that really strange as I'm 99.9% sure I haven't changed that - well at
least deliberately.

I have been using version 2.10 myself for testing and once saw the grid
format not change to display the scored points, although all the data was
correct and there it was just in the wrong display mode - You can switch it
manually though using:- View - Show results cells as - scored points, or
the quick way press F6 p. I'll see if I can reproduce it and fix it.

HTML code as text I've not tried that that yet on the later versions will
give it a try

Thanks

Jon

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave
03333 443377
07976 709777

On 30 June 2013 04:39, MarkS <mschneid@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi Jon
>
> These are the bugs in the beta version of sailwave as of Sat Night.
>
> Seed Competitors …the Clear button only clears the first column… not the
> second column.
>
> Publish Notes on the competitor lists…. HTML Formating code appears as
> text.
>
> When you Score the fleets, the scoring on the spreadsheet table does not
> change... it remains as entered. I think you get the total and nett correct
> tho.
>
> Had to revert to old version… Then I closed it and used the beta for
> opening the blw file and publishing the Red White and blue results.
>
> Very workable tho.. Thank god you flagged that enter tip... 150
> competitors and 6 races can make you see stars.
> Mark
>
>
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "MarkS" <mschneid@> wrote:
> >
> > VICTORY!!!!
> >
> > Thankyou Jon! my US colleague shot me an email and I just tried the
> update. Pefect!
> >
> > I have no idea why the group list lags.
> > Let me run the event this weekend and get some feedback. I promised US
> Opti world a short cheat sheet on how to use Sailwave for Opti events and
> other Junior events. I will draft that an start a new thread for any Opti
> event scorekeepers to comment on.
> >
> > RE excluding the other competitors... Yes... that was my plan.
> > RE seperate sheets... on reflection I agree with you.
> > Re Windows Messages.... I have no idea what this means. or how it
> works.... Is this a customizable coaching overlay that could help a casual
> sailwave scorer work through an event? That would be worth spending some
> time on.
> >
> > Thanks again.... You continue the spectacular tradition of responding to
> the needs of the Sailing community... thanks again
> > Mark
> >
> >
> > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale <jon@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > I've put a new version on the Sailwave site under the Download beta its
> > > version 2.11.0. Basically if you Score all competitors as one group and
> > > select a sorting field it now publishes them as separate tables. You
> > > change the publish order and select which ones are printed in the same
> > > manor as you can when you score groups of competitors separately.
> > >
> > > So you have a few options now. Your long reply only came in about an
> hour
> > > and a half ago. I wouldn't join the published pages together keep them
> as
> > > separate pages on the server and just link to them. Publishing them
> all in
> > > one go you wouldn't be able to adjust the order of the both divisions
> and
> > > sub divisions at the same time.
> > >
> > > This version of Sailwave can be controlled by windows messages so if
> there
> > > is a special sequence of events that are common I could automate that
> with
> > > a separate program.
> > >
> > > If you want to exclude a block of competitors use the Tools - set
> > > competitor field and set the Exclude field to 1 for those. That might
> be
> > > obvious to you but I've seen many people do it manually.
> > >
> > > Ketts solution looks interesting - I'll have to try that
> > >
> > > Let us know how it goes
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > Jon Eskdale
> > > Sailwave
> > > 03333 443377
> > > 07976 709777
> > >
> > >
> > > On 28 June 2013 00:29, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > See below
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So as I understand it Sailwave does every thing you need except
> that when
> > > > > you select the option
> > > > >
> > > > > Score all competitors as one group - scoring system is applied
> once and
> > > > you
> > > > > sort the results by a specified field e.g. Division after scoring
> > > > >
> > > > > You would like then to be able to publish the divisions as separate
> > > > tables
> > > > > rather than as a single table with all the divisions following one
> after
> > > > > the other as it currently does.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sure we can add that option for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me know
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jon
> > > > Yes, that could work. The limitation is that the blw file would have
> to
> > > > contain only one class Opti (Red white blue) sub divisions... Opti
> Green is
> > > > a separate class and could not be scored with Opti.
> > > >
> > > > I could make that work for the weekend.
> > > >
> > > > Long term... This would still be a difiult solution. a club will run
> > > > juniors in a multiclass format and enter them all at registration...
> > > > usually by hand into a blw file.. Sometimes they don't have a
> separate
> > > > green fleet (beginners course) and so they would have one finish line
> > > > scoring the two class Opti Green and Opti. (Red White blue sub
> divisions)
> > > > They will collect finish positions form the 2or three race circles
> and
> > > > enter finish position. They will hit score the regatta and get Opti
> Green
> > > > and Opti overall scores plus laser and 420 scores in Score by Fleet.
> All
> > > > will work properly and you will have a single Html file that looks
> great.
> > > >
> > > > Then they will have go back to the blw file... exclude Opti Green
> and all
> > > > other sailors (Lasers, 420s) from the event.
> > > > Score the regatta again overall by changing to score regatta as a
> single
> > > > group and also ticking the box right below. That would then feed the
> > > > results into your new print out solution which will generate a
> second html
> > > > file for the special sub division scores.
> > > >
> > > > A better solution would be to add the the option to score by Fleet
> SUB
> > > > divisions (RWB) to just the selected fleet eg Opti Fleet group score
> plus
> > > > the sub division tables without having to make a second pass and
> combine
> > > > html files for publishing.. (Obviously this differs then score by
> divisions
> > > > in the score by fleet part of the program)
> > > >
> > > > Red White and Blue are age groups that are populated by the sailors
> Date
> > > > of birth relative to the regatta date. I am told Sailwave can do this
> > > > already (I have not looked into it) since I am given the RWB
> divisions by
> > > > the regatta registration system.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how they score masters and grand masters in adult
> events...
> > > > do they usually rescore the division or just keep the rank scoring
> like
> > > > Opti world??
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the tip on entering sail numbers in the wizard... I have a
> > > > separate usb numeric keypad to make the number entering easier on my
> > > > laptop. I certainly missed this addition over the interval. I will
> try the
> > > > tip this weekend.
> > > >
> > > > I have never used an html editor... so I have not tried John's
> suggestion.
> > > > At worst ... I have Sat am to figure it out.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > If you haven't used the latest version of Sailwave - have a look
> at some
> > > > of
> > > > > the new features such as when you are entering the results through
> the
> > > > > sailno wizard - use the + key instead of the enter key and it
> saves you
> > > > > pressing the enter twice - you then use the enter if you want to
> enter a
> > > > > scoring code rather than just the next position. And may be the
> Alternate
> > > > > Sailno when they change sails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon Eskdale
> > > > > Sailwave
> > > > > 03333 443377
> > > > > 07976 709777
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 27 June 2013 19:43, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > **
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > AHH.... NOOOOOOOOO .... HTML hacking on a hot saturday afternoon
> just
> > > > to
> > > > > > get seperate red white and blue scoresheets.. This does not
> sound like
> > > > a
> > > > > > plan. Certainly not something I want to do with at least one
> beer in
> > > > > > hand.... Don't even mention Sunday!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jon, This is a truly terrible solution for sailwave
> scorekeepers. In my
> > > > > > region alone. we have as many as three junior events a week
> during the
> > > > > > summer and all events will have Opti Red White and Blue scored
> this way
> > > > > > plus Opti Green, plus Laser radial, Laser and 420s.
> > > > > > This will take two sailwave blw files... (Lasers, 420's and Opti
> > > > Greens)
> > > > > > and a second blw file for scoring Opti's RED WHITE and BLUE and
> > > > OVERALL)
> > > > > > And I will have to hack the html of the Opti overall sorted into
> > > > divisions
> > > > > > to generate red white and blue... THEN hack the OD scoring html
> file
> > > > plus
> > > > > > the opti overall file PLUS the hacked Red white and blue files to
> > > > generate
> > > > > > one html file to publish.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sadly, this is not a solution.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter - Mobile <jrculter@
> >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We like HTML-Kit tools. There's s free version.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jrc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Hi John and Jon.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >In correspondance with US opti world.
> > > > > > > >From what I can tell, US OPTI World protocal is to not
> distinguish
> > > > red
> > > > > > > >white and blue divisions in your overall scoring. The kids are
> > > > > > > >competing in one class against each other EG. (1 to 50). You
> then
> > > > > > > >award additional prizes in the age groups, red white and blue
> and
> > > > you
> > > > > > > >publish score sheet for these sub groups EG 1 to 15) BUT you
> keep
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >rank scoring from the overall score. (Unlike an adult class
> where
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >red fleet would be rescored against each other)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >US Opti world scores the Opti class overall Sailwave manages
> this
> > > > ...
> > > > > > > >no problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >US Opti world then scores three sub divisions Red White and
> Blue.
> > > > > > > >Sailwave manges this no problem.... You have the default
> settings
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >simply check score competitors as one group. and then tick the
> > > > button
> > > > > > > >sort results by field after scoring. No problem.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >the problem is getting this set of results Published in a
> convient
> > > > and
> > > > > > > >pretty manner. IE publish the sub divisions (red white and
> blue) AS
> > > > > > > >IF they were fleets scored seperately (but using the rank
> ordered
> > > > > > > >overall scores when competitors are scored as one big group.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Opti world is confused if you score the red fleet sailors as
> if they
> > > > > > > >were just one race... (score results by divsion red white or
> blue)
> > > > > > > >(This is the format of all sailwave opti results that you see
> > > > published
> > > > > > > >on the web.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >This is going to really stink this weekend.
> > > > > > > >Can you recomend an html editor that would allow me to chop
> up the
> > > > HTML
> > > > > > > >file.... or have a work around?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >This is a link to last years JO Opti scoring pdf file
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NmMyOTFjNTg5ZTZhNTVkZA
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >I hate the java score format but it is doing the sub fleet
> scoring
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >way opti world desires.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Thanks
> > > > > > > >Mark
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter <jrculter@>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Mark,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> What we usually do is set up a division for the Optis and
> show the
> > > > > > > >div as
> > > > > > > >> Red, Blue or White. This is easier if you also enter the
> DOB for
> > > > the
> > > > > > > >> competitors. Then you can sort this list and easily enter
> the div
> > > > (or
> > > > > > > >> fleet, if you prefer). When you print the Opti overall,
> just go
> > > > down
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > >> list and look for the top Red, Blue and White boats.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I usually try to have separate files per circle, but
> there's no
> > > > > > > >reason to
> > > > > > > >> do that if you don't want to. A single file will suffice.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> jrc
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> ----------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> John Culter IRO CAN
> > > > > > > >> Vancouver Canada
> > > > > > > >> 604-908-3119
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, MarkS wrote:
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > Hi guys... more cobwebs to erase... (sucks getting old).
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I need to score an Opti One design class with 1 start and
> three
> > > > sub
> > > > > > > >> > divisions. I can score overall by fleet (Opti) and I also
> need
> > > > to
> > > > > > > >score
> > > > > > > >> > in Red White and Blue (Division) keeping the rank orders
> of the
> > > > > > > >overall.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > And the regatta also has a different race circle of
> junior Laser
> > > > > > > >Radials
> > > > > > > >> > and C420s.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > So, from sailwave of yore... I need to check a box on
> score
> > > > > > > >overall sort
> > > > > > > >> > by divison which preserved the rank order of the opti
> overall
> > > > > > > >results.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Do I need to click the multiple first seconds thirds box
> in
> > > > global
> > > > > > > >setup?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Do I need to have two blw files for the two circles... IE
> there
> > > > is
> > > > > > > >no way
> > > > > > > >> > to score Opti R W and B, Opti overall, Lasers and C420's
> in one
> > > > > > > >pass?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks
> > > > > > > >> > Mark
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[Sailwave]

Hi Mark,

> Score as one group sort by Division Print those divisons works well!

Glad that is OK

> BUT it will suck a casual scorekeeper into making a big mistake. The results table is only valid AFTER you exclude all but the groups that you want and then score. Selecting the division box and the field DOES NOT automatically exclude competitors as you might initially think.

It has no way of knowing what you would want to exclude - Most events you not have other fleets in the same file if you are scoring all competitors in line and then sorting by division. It would be easier to have these in a separate file although I understand

> So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions… Masters Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you would have to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one group/divisions Then exclude all but 5o5’s…. Score as one group/divisions.

In practise at events that I score you have a fleet which is scored by fleet and then there are prizes for divisions - So we publish the results by fleet, competitors can then see their results and then we publish a prize table. I use the prize program I wrote a few years ago before I was working on the Sailwave code itself. Details of this are at SWPrize Program You could use this to print all the results of the divisions or just the ones you are giving prizes for. A nice feature of it is that you can specify the rules for your prizes e.g. only give a first prize if you have at least 3 competitors and a 2nd prize if you have 5 or more and a 3rd if you have 8 or more etc. If you specify prizes for a fleet that doesn’t have any competitors it just doesn’t publish them. So generally I use the same template for all events but sometimes just edit the rules as, if you have trophies made and it is young kids it is nice to give them to them rather than put them in the bin.

> A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World… This is a very different world then adult regattas…Asking them to exclude competitors is a lot… They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage…

If all the Opti World events follow a set format - then the best thing is I write a script to control Sailwave so that it can do all the excluding and scoring on a single button click

*> It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as the division on the publish result.

Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division …… versus just the Division…… Blue Division*

I don’t see how it would know what you were using as the division*-* Was it Fleet or Class. Though you will presumably have a column which should normally make it obvious.

Jon

···

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “MarkS” wrote:

Score as one group sort by Division Print those divisons works well!

BUT it will suck a casual scorekeeper into making a big mistake. The results table is only valid AFTER you exclude all but the groups that you want and then score. Selecting the division box and the field DOES NOT automatically exclude competitors as you might initially think.

I suggest that you Flag this when you check … The sort by field… with a reminder to exclude all other competitors to get the scores that you want.…

So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions… Masters Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you would have to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one group/divisions Then exclude all but 5o5’s…. Score as one group/divisions.
The version 2.11 prints out the divisions in the order that you want very nicely…… However, the scoring pit fall will cause you some pain!!! (Don’t ask me how I know)

A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World… This is a very different world then adult regattas…Asking them to exclude competitors is a lot… They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage…

It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as the division on the publish result.
Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division …… versus just the Division…… Blue Division

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale jon@ wrote:

Hi Mark

Sounds like you have a very busy time. As for the seeding will look at
that really strange as I’m 99.9% sure I haven’t changed that - well at
least deliberately.

I have been using version 2.10 myself for testing and once saw the grid
format not change to display the scored points, although all the data was
correct and there it was just in the wrong display mode - You can switch it
manually though using:- View - Show results cells as - scored points, or
the quick way press F6 p. I’ll see if I can reproduce it and fix it.

HTML code as text I’ve not tried that that yet on the later versions will
give it a try

Thanks

Jon

[MSchneider]

It has no way of knowing what you would want to exclude - Most events
you not have other fleets in the same file if you are scoring all
competitors in line and then sorting by division. It would be easier

to

have these in a separate file although I understand
> So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing
classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions..

Masters

Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you would have
to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one group/divisions Then
exclude all but 5o5's…. Score as one group/divisions.
In practise at events that I score you have a fleet which is scored by
fleet and then there are prizes for divisions - So we publish the
results by fleet, competitors can then see their results and then we
publish a prize table. I use the prize program I wrote a few years

ago

before I was working on the Sailwave code itself. Details of this are
at SWPrize Program
  You could use
this to print all the results of the divisions or just the ones you

are

giving prizes for. A nice feature of it is that you can specify the
rules for your prizes e.g. only give a first prize if you have at

least

3 competitors and a 2nd prize if you have 5 or more and a 3rd if you
have 8 or more etc. If you specify prizes for a fleet that doesn't

have

any competitors it just doesn't publish them. So generally I use the
same template for all events but sometimes just edit the rules as, if
you have trophies made and it is young kids it is nice to give them to
them rather than put them in the bin.

Ha... I will try the SWPrize program. However, for general use for a
simple US junior regatta I think we must have a simple KISS solution.

> A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World.. This is a very
different world then adult regattas...Asking them to exclude

competitors

is a lot... They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage...
If all the Opti World events follow a set format - then the best thing
is I write a script to control Sailwave so that it can do all the
excluding and scoring on a single button click

That would be perfect... According to the national US office.. you
always score the Opticlass the same way. Overall and with the age
division splits retabulated. A single button that not require too much
knowledge and experience as a scorekeeper should do it... Especially if
the scorekeeper puts all of the classes into one blw file.

> It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as

the

division on the publish result.
> Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division ….. versus
just the Division….. Blue Division

I don't see how it would know what you were using as the division -

Was

it Fleet or Class. Though you will presumably have a column which
should normally make it obvious.

I understand This is a request to make the printout pretty and do it
easily and automatically.
Yes you can publish the Fleet in the table of the selected division (eg
Masters)..
Perhaps when you tick the box you have a pull down menu for the Title
(Fleet, class etc) and then the current pull down for Division (Master,
Grandmasters, Woman) which creates the three new scoresheets.
This is a bit different then a prize table.

I would suggest a warning ballon that opens if you hover over that
button reminding you to exclude all but the group you want to get sub
divisions of.

Mark

Jon

>
> Score as one group sort by Division Print those divisons works well!
>
> BUT it will suck a casual scorekeeper into making a big mistake.
The results table is only valid AFTER you exclude all but the groups
that you want and then score. Selecting the division box and the

field

DOES NOT automatically exclude competitors as you might initially

think.

>
> I suggest that you Flag this when you check … The sort by
field… with a reminder to exclude all other competitors to get the
scores that you want.…
>
> So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing
classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions..
Masters Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you
would have to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one

group/divisions

Then exclude all but 5o5's…. Score as one group/divisions.
> The version 2.11 prints out the divisions in the order that you

want

very nicely….. However, the scoring pit fall will cause you some
pain!!! (Don't ask me how I know)
>
> A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World.. This is a very
different world then adult regattas...Asking them to exclude

competitors

is a lot... They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage...
>
> It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as

the

division on the publish result.
> Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division …..

versus

just the Division….. Blue Division
>
>
> >
> > Hi Mark
> >
> > Sounds like you have a very busy time. As for the seeding will

look

at
> > that really strange as I'm 99.9% sure I haven't changed that -

well

at
> > least deliberately.
> >
> > I have been using version 2.10 myself for testing and once saw the
grid
> > format not change to display the scored points, although all the
data was
> > correct and there it was just in the wrong display mode - You can
switch it
> > manually though using:- View - Show results cells as - scored
points, or
> > the quick way press F6 p. I'll see if I can reproduce it and fix
it.
> >
> > HTML code as text I've not tried that that yet on the later

versions

···

--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "MarkS" wrote:
> --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale jon@ wrote:
will
> > give it a try
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jon
> >
>

[Sailwave]

Mark,

Is there any documentation as to the formats of the events?

I see Sailwave is being used for the European Championships of the optimists http://www.optieuro2013.com/results/ in Hungary

Thanks

Jon

···

Jon Eskdale
Sailwave

03333 443377

07976 709777

On 2 July 2013 01:08, MarkS mschneid@msn.com wrote:

It has no way of knowing what you would want to exclude - Most events

you not have other fleets in the same file if you are scoring all

competitors in line and then sorting by division. It would be easier

to

have these in a separate file although I understand

So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing

classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions…

Masters

Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you would have

to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one group/divisions Then

exclude all but 5o5’s…. Score as one group/divisions.

In practise at events that I score you have a fleet which is scored by

fleet and then there are prizes for divisions - So we publish the

results by fleet, competitors can then see their results and then we

publish a prize table. I use the prize program I wrote a few years

ago

before I was working on the Sailwave code itself. Details of this are

at SWPrize Program

You could use

this to print all the results of the divisions or just the ones you

are

giving prizes for. A nice feature of it is that you can specify the

rules for your prizes e.g. only give a first prize if you have at

least

3 competitors and a 2nd prize if you have 5 or more and a 3rd if you

have 8 or more etc. If you specify prizes for a fleet that doesn’t

have

any competitors it just doesn’t publish them. So generally I use the

same template for all events but sometimes just edit the rules as, if

you have trophies made and it is young kids it is nice to give them to

them rather than put them in the bin.

Ha… I will try the SWPrize program. However, for general use for a

simple US junior regatta I think we must have a simple KISS solution.

A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World… This is a very

different world then adult regattas…Asking them to exclude

competitors

is a lot… They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage…

If all the Opti World events follow a set format - then the best thing

is I write a script to control Sailwave so that it can do all the

excluding and scoring on a single button click

That would be perfect… According to the national US office… you

always score the Opticlass the same way. Overall and with the age

division splits retabulated. A single button that not require too much

knowledge and experience as a scorekeeper should do it… Especially if

the scorekeeper puts all of the classes into one blw file.

It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as

the

division on the publish result.

Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division …… versus

just the Division…… Blue Division

I don’t see how it would know what you were using as the division -

Was

it Fleet or Class. Though you will presumably have a column which

should normally make it obvious.

I understand This is a request to make the printout pretty and do it

easily and automatically.

Yes you can publish the Fleet in the table of the selected division (eg

Masters)…

Perhaps when you tick the box you have a pull down menu for the Title

(Fleet, class etc) and then the current pull down for Division (Master,

Grandmasters, Woman) which creates the three new scoresheets.

This is a bit different then a prize table.

I would suggest a warning ballon that opens if you hover over that

button reminding you to exclude all but the group you want to get sub

divisions of.

Mark

Jon

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, “MarkS” wrote:

Score as one group sort by Division Print those divisons works well!

BUT it will suck a casual scorekeeper into making a big mistake.

The results table is only valid AFTER you exclude all but the groups

that you want and then score. Selecting the division box and the

field

DOES NOT automatically exclude competitors as you might initially

think.

I suggest that you Flag this when you check … The sort by

field… with a reminder to exclude all other competitors to get the

scores that you want.…

So, if you had a common Divison…. Eg Masters for three racing

classes… and you want to score Laser and then by divisions…

Masters Woman, Grand Masters AND also 5o5s in the same way… you

would have to exclude all but lasers…. Score as one

group/divisions

Then exclude all but 5o5’s…. Score as one group/divisions.

The version 2.11 prints out the divisions in the order that you

want

very nicely…… However, the scoring pit fall will cause you some

pain!!! (Don’t ask me how I know)

A better solution is needed for scoring Opti World… This is a very

different world then adult regattas…Asking them to exclude

competitors

is a lot… They will happily tick the boxes and generate garbage…

It would be terrific if the scoresheet listed the Class as well as

the

division on the publish result.

Eg… Optimist Blue Divison Laser Masters Division ……

versus

just the Division…… Blue Division

— In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Jon Eskdale jon@ wrote:

Hi Mark

Sounds like you have a very busy time. As for the seeding will

look

at

that really strange as I’m 99.9% sure I haven’t changed that -

well

at

least deliberately.

I have been using version 2.10 myself for testing and once saw the

grid

format not change to display the scored points, although all the

data was

correct and there it was just in the wrong display mode - You can

switch it

manually though using:- View - Show results cells as - scored

points, or

the quick way press F6 p. I’ll see if I can reproduce it and fix

it.

HTML code as text I’ve not tried that that yet on the later

versions

will

give it a try

Thanks

Jon

[Art_Engel2]

Interesting. Two comments:

1. Our local Opti representative says we should NEVER show the age
fleets in separate tables. All competitors are to be shown in a single
table. [We follow that instruction. Los Angeles, USA]

I looked at the US Opti website results for 2012. All regattas showed
the Red, Blue and White fleets as one giant group. Of the 7+ events I
looked at, one event also showed the fleets resorted (it was in Sailwave
and shown in a single table). I would conclude that showing the age
fleets separately seems to be done only occasionally and doesn't seem to
be required or even encouraged. I could find no document on how to score
Opti races or how to present results.

2. The word "retabulated" can mean "recalculated" but I don't think that
is meant here. On the US Opti website I only saw one event where the age
groups were shown sorted separately (but in the same table). There was
no recalculation of scores. So, I would say that recalculation (i.e.,
one meaning of retabulate) is NOT appropriate. For Sailwave, I think
that means excluding competitors won't work as I believe excluded
competitors are NOT included when calculating points. What you would
want is a "Don't publish competitors" option rather than an "exclude
competitors" option but frankly it would be used so infrequently it
hardly seems work implementing.

Art

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On 7/1/2013 5:08 PM, MarkS wrote:

That would be perfect... According to the national US office.. you
always score the Opticlass the same way. Overall and with the age
division splits retabulated. A single button that not require too much
knowledge and experience as a scorekeeper should do it... Especially if
the scorekeeper puts all of the classes into one blw file.

[MSchneider]

Interesting. Two comments:

1. Our local Opti representative says we should NEVER show the age
fleets in separate tables. All competitors are to be shown in a single
table. [We follow that instruction. Los Angeles, USA]

I looked at the US Opti website results for 2012. All regattas showed
the Red, Blue and White fleets as one giant group. Of the 7+ events I
looked at, one event also showed the fleets resorted (it was in Sailwave
and shown in a single table). I would conclude that showing the age
fleets separately seems to be done only occasionally and doesn't seem to
be required or even encouraged. I could find no document on how to score
Opti races or how to present results.

True for me as well... I spoke with Genoa at USODA to figure this out.

The answer is .... it depends on the region.. In my region last year presented the information like this.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NDFiNDkwNTRlZTM1ZTFkYQ

So, by word of mouth from Geona... USODA hard liners would prefer to publish the results of the Optimist class with NO Age group divisions noted.
At the END of the regatta, you publish the results with the age divisions... Red White and Blue. Seperate tables did not seem to be an issue for her. The fleets are NOT recalculated... the RWB results are retabulated...

Opti world has another faction that allows green fleeters to remain green for years.. (so long as they don't win) AND they support the kids competing for Red White and Blue prizes.

My regions publishes the RWB splits on Saturday night by tradition.... Since I was running out of room on the bulletin board I published Optimist overall listing the division on Sat... but not a seperate score table.

Overall Opti
http://www.bcsailing.org/junior%20olympics/results.htm

RWB splits
http://www.bcsailing.org/junior%20olympics/RWB_results.htm

notice the scores and points are identical... That is why I use the word retabulated.

2. The word "retabulated" can mean "recalculated" but I don't think that
is meant here. On the US Opti website I only saw one event where the age
groups were shown sorted separately (but in the same table). There was
no recalculation of scores. So, I would say that recalculation (i.e.,
one meaning of retabulate) is NOT appropriate. For Sailwave, I think
that means excluding competitors won't work as I believe excluded
competitors are NOT included when calculating points. What you would
want is a "Don't publish competitors" option rather than an "exclude
competitors" option but frankly it would be used so infrequently it
hardly seems work implementing.

The scoring and printing can be easily done by an expert user of sailwave using 2.11 beta. The standard Sailwave 2.9 would do this scoring but not generate a pretty score sheet... I would have settled for a single long table of Optis properly scored and sorted. I assert that it can and should be easier for a non expert to score an Opti Junior regatta correctly.

It is too easy right now for a Opti regatta to be rescored on division and that is wrong per Opti world. (Not what is shown above) Not understanding what this rescore by division means and how it differs from the overall score is too easy

It is too easy right not for an Opti regatta to be scored overall and Divisions retabulated into result score sheets that are also wrong... UNLESS other classes in the blw file are excluded... If a blw file is only Opti class it works as promised... Note.. it cannot have an Opti Green fleet... a sperate begininer class or that will screw it up). Bottom line... I made this mistake in the heat of battle forgetting to exclude competitors... Time is unforgiving and you notice when somebody sees the screw up after awards are done... = PIA. ..

An Opti Button would solve these user generated problems.
So, what ever custom your region follows can be accomplished.
Eg.
Opti Overall... show division... Overall ... do not show division
Opti Red White and Blue seperate score sheets using 2.11
Opti Red White and blue resorted listed in one long score sheet sequentially using SW 2.9 format.

Opti world in my regions also awards Top Girl Overall and within each Age Division. (not sure why they don't go top girl three deep but they don't) They also award mid fleet awards in everything as well.

These prize are rarely recognized on the web site since the prizes are just circled on a score sheet and annoucned and then they evaporate.

Opti world does not want a kid to pick their age division and they use the birthday relative to the Regatta date to sort that one...
I saw something about Sailwave doing this... That would be great for walk up registration.

Oh... and Opti moms are ahhhh..... "unique"
So ends my trip to Opti world.... and a memorable trip it was!
Mark

Art

> That would be perfect... According to the national US office.. you
> always score the Opticlass the same way. Overall and with the age
> division splits retabulated. A single button that not require too much
> knowledge and experience as a scorekeeper should do it... Especially if
> the scorekeeper puts all of the classes into one blw file.

I am positive that a single button solution would work for most situations.

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--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, Art Engel <artengel123@...> wrote:

On 7/1/2013 5:08 PM, MarkS wrote: