Mark,
We run Opti events and I have encountered this issue. I believe the solution can be handled in the Publish Results dialog and leave the scoring functions unaffected.
First, score the groups separately by Fleet. This will give you all of your overall classes (OptiRBW, OptiGrn, Laser, 420, etc.), then publish as usual.
Then, add a new publish function check box below the "Publish forms used", called "Publish separate tables by field" and have a "Select field" drop down below that. When checked, whatever results are specified in the Publish function will be further subdivided into multiple tables by whatever field is selected, say, "Division".
Thus, you would select ONLY OptiRBW from the "Include these scored groups" and check the "Publish separate tables by field" box and select field "Division", which has the R/B/W labels.
Boom! Separate tables for Opti R, B & W with overall scores maintained - AND you're not messing with the other multi-class results.
The only problem I see with this is that "R-B-W" is not in alphabetical order, so maybe you need to publish the subdivided tables with page breaks and re-order them in HTML.
Regards,
Kett
PS - This function could also be used for breaking-out Masters/Grand Masters divisions, gender divisions, etc.
--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, "MarkS" <mschneid@> wrote:
>
> See below
>
>
> >
> > So as I understand it Sailwave does every thing you need except that when
> > you select the option
> >
> > Score all competitors as one group - scoring system is applied once and you
> > sort the results by a specified field e.g. Division after scoring
> >
> > You would like then to be able to publish the divisions as separate tables
> > rather than as a single table with all the divisions following one after
> > the other as it currently does.
> >
> > I'm sure we can add that option for you.
> >
> > Let me know
>
> Hi Jon
> Yes, that could work. The limitation is that the blw file would have to contain only one class Opti (Red white blue) sub divisions... Opti Green is a separate class and could not be scored with Opti.
>
> I could make that work for the weekend.
>
> Long term... This would still be a difiult solution. a club will run juniors in a multiclass format and enter them all at registration... usually by hand into a blw file.. Sometimes they don't have a separate green fleet (beginners course) and so they would have one finish line scoring the two class Opti Green and Opti. (Red White blue sub divisions) They will collect finish positions form the 2or three race circles and enter finish position. They will hit score the regatta and get Opti Green and Opti overall scores plus laser and 420 scores in Score by Fleet. All will work properly and you will have a single Html file that looks great.
>
> Then they will have go back to the blw file... exclude Opti Green and all other sailors (Lasers, 420s) from the event.
> Score the regatta again overall by changing to score regatta as a single group and also ticking the box right below. That would then feed the results into your new print out solution which will generate a second html file for the special sub division scores.
>
> A better solution would be to add the the option to score by Fleet SUB divisions (RWB) to just the selected fleet eg Opti Fleet group score plus the sub division tables without having to make a second pass and combine html files for publishing.. (Obviously this differs then score by divisions in the score by fleet part of the program)
>
> Red White and Blue are age groups that are populated by the sailors Date of birth relative to the regatta date. I am told Sailwave can do this already (I have not looked into it) since I am given the RWB divisions by the regatta registration system.
>
> I don't know how they score masters and grand masters in adult events... do they usually rescore the division or just keep the rank scoring like Opti world??
>
> Thanks for the tip on entering sail numbers in the wizard... I have a separate usb numeric keypad to make the number entering easier on my laptop. I certainly missed this addition over the interval. I will try the tip this weekend.
>
> I have never used an html editor... so I have not tried John's suggestion. At worst ... I have Sat am to figure it out.
>
> Thanks Mark
>
>
> > If you haven't used the latest version of Sailwave - have a look at some of
> > the new features such as when you are entering the results through the
> > sailno wizard - use the + key instead of the enter key and it saves you
> > pressing the enter twice - you then use the enter if you want to enter a
> > scoring code rather than just the next position. And may be the Alternate
> > Sailno when they change sails.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > Jon Eskdale
> > Sailwave
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> >
> > On 27 June 2013 19:43, MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > AHH.... NOOOOOOOOO .... HTML hacking on a hot saturday afternoon just to
> > > get seperate red white and blue scoresheets.. This does not sound like a
> > > plan. Certainly not something I want to do with at least one beer in
> > > hand.... Don't even mention Sunday!
> > >
> > > Jon, This is a truly terrible solution for sailwave scorekeepers. In my
> > > region alone. we have as many as three junior events a week during the
> > > summer and all events will have Opti Red White and Blue scored this way
> > > plus Opti Green, plus Laser radial, Laser and 420s.
> > > This will take two sailwave blw files... (Lasers, 420's and Opti Greens)
> > > and a second blw file for scoring Opti's RED WHITE and BLUE and OVERALL)
> > > And I will have to hack the html of the Opti overall sorted into divisions
> > > to generate red white and blue... THEN hack the OD scoring html file plus
> > > the opti overall file PLUS the hacked Red white and blue files to generate
> > > one html file to publish.
> > >
> > > Sadly, this is not a solution.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter - Mobile <jrculter@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mark,
> > > >
> > > > We like HTML-Kit tools. There's s free version.
> > > >
> > > > jrc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > MarkS <mschneid@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Hi John and Jon.
> > > > >
> > > > >In correspondance with US opti world.
> > > > >From what I can tell, US OPTI World protocal is to not distinguish red
> > > > >white and blue divisions in your overall scoring. The kids are
> > > > >competing in one class against each other EG. (1 to 50). You then
> > > > >award additional prizes in the age groups, red white and blue and you
> > > > >publish score sheet for these sub groups EG 1 to 15) BUT you keep the
> > > > >rank scoring from the overall score. (Unlike an adult class where the
> > > > >red fleet would be rescored against each other)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >US Opti world scores the Opti class overall Sailwave manages this ...
> > > > >no problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >US Opti world then scores three sub divisions Red White and Blue.
> > > > >Sailwave manges this no problem.... You have the default settings and
> > > > >simply check score competitors as one group. and then tick the button
> > > > >sort results by field after scoring. No problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >the problem is getting this set of results Published in a convient and
> > > > >pretty manner. IE publish the sub divisions (red white and blue) AS
> > > > >IF they were fleets scored seperately (but using the rank ordered
> > > > >overall scores when competitors are scored as one big group.
> > > > >
> > > > >Opti world is confused if you score the red fleet sailors as if they
> > > > >were just one race... (score results by divsion red white or blue)
> > > > >(This is the format of all sailwave opti results that you see published
> > > > >on the web.
> > > > >
> > > > >This is going to really stink this weekend.
> > > > >Can you recomend an html editor that would allow me to chop up the HTML
> > > > >file.... or have a work around?
> > > > >
> > > > >This is a link to last years JO Opti scoring pdf file
> > > > >
> > > https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=Y2J5cmFqdW5pb3JzYWlsaW5nLm9yZ3x3d3d8Z3g6NmMyOTFjNTg5ZTZhNTVkZA
> > > > >
> > > > >I hate the java score format but it is doing the sub fleet scoring the
> > > > >way opti world desires.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks
> > > > >Mark
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >--- In sailwave@yahoogroups.com, John Culter <jrculter@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Mark,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> What we usually do is set up a division for the Optis and show the
> > > > >div as
> > > > >> Red, Blue or White. This is easier if you also enter the DOB for the
> > > > >> competitors. Then you can sort this list and easily enter the div (or
> > > > >> fleet, if you prefer). When you print the Opti overall, just go down
> > > > >the
> > > > >> list and look for the top Red, Blue and White boats.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I usually try to have separate files per circle, but there's no
> > > > >reason to
> > > > >> do that if you don't want to. A single file will suffice.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> jrc
> > > > >>
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> > > > >> John Culter IRO CAN
> > > > >> Vancouver Canada
> > > > >> 604-908-3119
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013, MarkS wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Hi guys... more cobwebs to erase... (sucks getting old).
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I need to score an Opti One design class with 1 start and three sub
> > > > >> > divisions. I can score overall by fleet (Opti) and I also need to
> > > > >score
> > > > >> > in Red White and Blue (Division) keeping the rank orders of the
> > > > >overall.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > And the regatta also has a different race circle of junior Laser
> > > > >Radials
> > > > >> > and C420s.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > So, from sailwave of yore... I need to check a box on score
> > > > >overall sort
> > > > >> > by divison which preserved the rank order of the opti overall
> > > > >results.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Do I need to click the multiple first seconds thirds box in global
> > > > >setup?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Do I need to have two blw files for the two circles... IE there is
> > > > >no way
> > > > >> > to score Opti R W and B, Opti overall, Lasers and C420's in one
> > > > >pass?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Thanks
> > > > >> > Mark
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
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