In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
program?
Thanks,
Tim J.
Sailing Captain
Bald Eagle Yacht Club
Hi Tim,
Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply after 1,2,3 etc
races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis. So a
discard profile for 50% might look like this 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the calculation of
50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round(races/2+1).
Regards,
Colin
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From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@yahoo.com]
Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
program?
Thanks,
Tim J.
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Bald Eagle Yacht Club
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Hi Colin,
I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to qualify
for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply after
1,2,3 etc
races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).
Regards,
ColinFrom: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Participation RequirementIn our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
program?Thanks,
Tim J.
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Tim,
For 7 races, four to count, the discard profile should be 0,0,1,1,2,2,3. In
other words after two races all count, after 3, two count, after 4, three
count........ after 7 four count.
I hope this helps
Richard
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From: "hobie541" <hobie541@yahoo.com>
To: <sailwave@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 12:45 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
Hi Colin,
I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to qualify
for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
— In sailwave@y…, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s…> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
>
> The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply after
1,2,3 etc
> races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
> discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
> 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> To: sailwave@y…
> Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
>
>
> In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
> given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
> program?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim J.
> Sailing Captain
> Bald Eagle Yacht Club
>
>
>
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Hi Tim,
OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
talking about qualification; as your original message said in fact,
so apologies for that!
Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave. You can
hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the same
thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your score) and
then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by hand - and
include the notes field in the results. It is something I am going
to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it now.
To help with the implementation could those users that need a
qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to the
group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution - there are
various ways to approach it...
Regards,
Colin
--- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
Hi Colin,
I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to qualify
for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
>
> The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply
after
···
1,2,3 etc
> races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
> discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
> 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> To: sailwave@y…
> Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
>
>
> In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
> given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
> program?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim J.
> Sailing Captain
> Bald Eagle Yacht Club
>
>
>
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Hi
The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
" In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take part in at least
half the races in the Series"
Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@yahoo.co.uk]
Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
Hi Tim,
OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
talking about qualification; as your original message said in fact,
so apologies for that!
Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave. You can
hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the same
thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your score) and
then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by hand - and
include the notes field in the results. It is something I am going
to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it now.
To help with the implementation could those users that need a
qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to the
group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution - there are
various ways to approach it...
Regards,
Colin
--- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
Hi Colin,
I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to qualify
for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
>
> The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply
after
1,2,3 etc
> races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
> discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
> 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> To: sailwave@y…
> Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
>
>
> In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
> given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
> program?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim J.
> Sailing Captain
> Bald Eagle Yacht Club
>
>
>
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Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise...? CJ.
--- In sailwave@y..., "West Kirby SC" <website@w...> wrote:
Hi
The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
" In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take part in
at least
half the races in the Series"
Paul
From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y…]
Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementHi Tim,
OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
talking about qualification; as your original message said in fact,
so apologies for that!Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave. You can
hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the same
thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your score) and
then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by hand -
and
include the notes field in the results. It is something I am going
to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it now.To help with the implementation could those users that need a
qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to the
group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution - there are
various ways to approach it...Regards,
Colin--- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
> Hi Colin,
>
> I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
> implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
> races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
qualify
> for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
> in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
> but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
>
> Thanks for your help!
>
> Tim J.
>
> — In sailwave@y…, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s…> wrote:
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
> >
> > The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply
after
> 1,2,3 etc
> > races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
> So a
> > discard profile for 50% might look like this
> 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> > depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
> calculation of
> > 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
> (races/2+1).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> > Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> > To: sailwave@y…
> > Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
> >
> >
> > In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify
for a
> > given series. Is there a way to account for this in the
Sailwave
> > program?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tim J.
> > Sailing Captain
> > Bald Eagle Yacht Club
> >
> >
> >
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At Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way round, I have got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC 100pts so at the end of the series ‘technically’ everbody qualifies however anyone who has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the discard profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the prizes. This also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed to ‘qualify’ i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score in the hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the 200s means 2 more races required to qualify…etc (If you have big fleets or lots of races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works in practice have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
Hope this helps
Nygel
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
` Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise…? CJ.— In sailwave@y…, “West Kirby SC” <website@w…> wrote:
Hi
The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
" In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take part in
at least
half the races in the Series"Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y…]
Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementHi Tim,
OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
talking about qualification; as your original message said in fact,
so apologies for that!Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave. You can
hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the same
thing (i.e. so it’s impossible to win with a DNC in your score) and
then put a ‘did not qualify’ message in the notes field by hand -
and
include the notes field in the results. It is something I am going
to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it now.To help with the implementation could those users that need a
qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to the
group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution - there are
various ways to approach it…Regards,
Colin— In sailwave@y…, “hobie541” <hobie541@y…> wrote:
Hi Colin,
I’m not sure I made myself clear, or I don’t understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
qualifyfor that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
— In sailwave@y…, “Colin Jenkins” <colin@s…> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
The “discard profile” defines the number of discard to apply
after
1,2,3 etcraces have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).Regards,
Colin-----Original Message-----
From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Participation RequirementIn our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify
for agiven series. Is there a way to account for this in the
Sailwaveprogram?
Thanks,
Tim J.
Sailing Captain
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Tim,
Try this - set the DNC (did not compete) points score to 100 (or some
other large value). The points accrued for DNC have the same effect as
disqualification.
Someone elese put this much better than I do - maybe try looking in the
user group archives for old messages on this subject.
Nick Cheetham.
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From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@yahoo.com]
Sent: 22 April 2002 00:46
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
Hi Colin,
I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to qualify
for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to apply after
1,2,3 etc
races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).
Regards,
Colin-----Original Message-----
From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Participation RequirementIn our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify for a
given series. Is there a way to account for this in the Sailwave
program?Thanks,
Tim J.
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As I have argued in the past, I think this is a very practical approach since it does not add the complication of qualification as such and achieves the same result. CJ
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Sent: 22 April 2002 19:23
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
At Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way round, I have got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC 100pts so at the end of the series ‘technically’ everbody qualifies however anyone who has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the discard profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the prizes. This also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed to ‘qualify’ i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score in the hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the 200s means 2 more races required to qualify…etc (If you have big fleets or lots of races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works in practice have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
Hope this helps
Nygel
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From:
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Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
` Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise…? CJ.— In sailwave@y…, “West Kirby SC” <website@w…> wrote:
Hi
The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
" In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take part in
at least
half the races in the Series"Paul
-----Original Message-----
From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y…]
Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementHi Tim,
OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
talking about qualification; as your original message said in fact,
so apologies for that!Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave. You can
hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the same
thing (i.e. so it’s impossible to win with a DNC in your score) and
then put a ‘did not qualify’ message in the notes field by hand -
and
include the notes field in the results. It is something I am going
to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it now.To help with the implementation could those users that need a
qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to the
group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution - there are
various ways to approach it…Regards,
Colin— In sailwave@y…, “hobie541” <hobie541@y…> wrote:
Hi Colin,
I’m not sure I made myself clear, or I don’t understand how to
implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series of 7
races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
qualifyfor that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only raced
in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard profile,
but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!Thanks for your help!
Tim J.
— In sailwave@y…, “Colin Jenkins” <colin@s…> wrote:
Hi Tim,
Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
The “discard profile” defines the number of discard to apply
after
1,2,3 etcraces have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series basis.
So a
discard profile for 50% might look like this
0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
calculation of
50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
(races/2+1).Regards,
Colin-----Original Message-----
From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Participation RequirementIn our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to qualify
for agiven series. Is there a way to account for this in the
Sailwaveprogram?
Thanks,
Tim J.
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Yes, that will work, but it makes the math look pretty darn goofy.
I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.
For example:
If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or exclude
participant.
Make a simple profile addition, just like the discards. That way
the math ain't goofy, and it's easy to follow. Otherwise, for the
time being, I'll just have to manually exclude them. A friend of
mine saw my question about this on catsailor, and suggested I just
use Excel, but I'd really to give this program a try!
Get that feature added before Memorial Day so I don't have to write
formulas for Excel!
Thanks, man!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
As I have argued in the past, I think this is a very practical
approach
since it does not add the complication of qualification as such
and achieves
the same result. CJ
From: Nygel Gardner [mailto:nygel.gardner@n…]
Sent: 22 April 2002 19:23
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementAt Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way
round, I have
got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC
100pts so at
the end of the series 'technically' everbody qualifies however
anyone who
has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the
discard
profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the
prizes. This
also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for
competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed
to 'qualify'
i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score in
the
hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the
200s means 2
more races required to qualify......etc (If you have big fleets
or lots of
races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works
in practice
have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
Hope this helps
Nygel
From: sailwave2
To: sailwave@y...
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:38 AM
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementThanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise...? CJ.--- In sailwave@y..., "West Kirby SC" <website@w...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
>
> " In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take
part in
at least
> half the races in the Series"
>
> Paul
>
>
> From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y…]
> Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
> To: sailwave@y…
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
> talking about qualification; as your original message said in
fact,
> so apologies for that!
>
> Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave.
You can
> hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the
same
> thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your
score) and
> then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by
hand -
and
> include the notes field in the results. It is something I am
going
> to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it
now.
>
> To help with the implementation could those users that need a
> qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to
the
> group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution -
there are
> various ways to approach it...
>
> Regards,
> Colin
>
> --- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Colin,
> >
> > I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how
to
> > implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series
of 7
> > races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
qualify
> > for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only
raced
> > in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard
profile,
> > but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
> >
> > Thanks for your help!
> >
> > Tim J.
> >
> > --- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> > > Hi Tim,
> > >
> > > Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
> > >
> > > The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to
apply
> after
> > 1,2,3 etc
> > > races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series
basis.
> > So a
> > > discard profile for 50% might look like this
> > 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> > > depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
> > calculation of
> > > 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
> > (races/2+1).
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Colin
> > >
> > >
> > > From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> > > Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> > > To: sailwave@y…
> > > Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
> > >
> > >
> > > In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to
qualify
for a
> > > given series. Is there a way to account for this in the
Sailwave
> > > program?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Tim J.
> > > Sailing Captain
> > > Bald Eagle Yacht Club
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.sailwave.com/
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I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.
For example: If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or exclude
participant.<
Do you mean give non-qualifiers DSQ in each race they sailed - if so the
series would then have to be rescored and other (qualified) positions may
swap around because of tie-break situations etc. I would prefer to leave
the series results as they are and just shuffle non-qualifiers to the bottom
and mark their final *position* as DidNotQualify (DNQ), as other posters
have suggested; i.e. their points stay intact. This way non-qualifiers see
how they did in the series. i.e. it's just a presentation thing really.
Would this fit in with your SIs?
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Yes, that's what I meant, just shuffle them to the bottom, but keep
points in tact. That's what our previous Sailing Captain did by
using Excel.
Yes, it would fit our SIs.
Thanks,
Tim
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
>I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.
For example: If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or
exclude
participant.<
Do you mean give non-qualifiers DSQ in each race they sailed - if
so the
series would then have to be rescored and other (qualified)
positions may
swap around because of tie-break situations etc. I would prefer
to leave
the series results as they are and just shuffle non-qualifiers to
the bottom
and mark their final *position* as DidNotQualify (DNQ), as other
posters
have suggested; i.e. their points stay intact. This way non-
qualifiers see
how they did in the series. i.e. it's just a presentation thing
really.
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Hi Hobie541,
I second your view. I would like to
convert to Sailwave from the scoring program I am
currently using (which has a participation requirement feature) but having to
take care of the final scoring step manually seems like a step backwards.
Regards
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-----Original Message-----
From: hobie541
[mailto:hobie541@yahoo.com]
Sent**:** Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:28 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re:
Participation Requirement
Yes, that will work, but it makes the math look pretty darn goofy.
I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.
For example:
If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or exclude
participant.
Make a simple profile addition, just like the discards. That way
the math ain't goofy, and it's easy to follow. Otherwise, for the
time being, I'll just have to manually exclude them. A friend of
mine saw my question about this on catsailor, and suggested I just
use Excel, but I'd really to give this program a try!
Get that feature added before Memorial Day so I don't have to write
formulas for Excel!
Thanks, man!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> As I have argued in the past, I think this is a very practical
approach
> since it does not add the complication of qualification as such
and achieves
> the same result. CJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nygel Gardner [mailto:nygel.gardner@n...]
> Sent: 22 April 2002 19:23
> To: sailwave@y...
> Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> At Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way
round, I have
> got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC
100pts so at
> the end of the series 'technically' everbody qualifies however
anyone who
> has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the
discard
> profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the
prizes. This
> also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for
> competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed
to 'qualify'
> i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score in
the
> hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the
200s means 2
> more races required to qualify......etc (If you have big fleets
or lots of
> races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works
in practice
> have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Nygel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sailwave2
> To: sailwave@y...
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:38 AM
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
> software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
> eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
> somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise...? CJ.
>
> --- In sailwave@y..., "West Kirby SC" <website@w...> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
> >
> > " In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take
part in
> at least
> > half the races in the Series"
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y...]
> > Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
> > To: sailwave@y...
> > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
> > talking about qualification; as your original message said in
fact,
> > so apologies for that!
> >
> > Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave.
You can
> > hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the
same
> > thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your
score) and
> > then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by
hand -
> and
> > include the notes field in the results. It is something I am
going
> > to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it
now.
> >
> > To help with the implementation could those users that need a
> > qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to
the
> > group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution -
there are
> > various ways to approach it...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Colin
> >
> > --- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how
to
> > > implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series
of 7
> > > races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
> qualify
> > > for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only
raced
> > > in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard
profile,
> > > but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > Tim J.
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
> > > >
> > > > The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to
apply
> > after
> > > 1,2,3 etc
> > > > races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series
basis.
> > > So a
> > > > discard profile for 50% might look like this
> > > 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> > > > depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
> > > calculation of
> > > > 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
> > > (races/2+1).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y...]
> > > > Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> > > > To: sailwave@y...
> > > > Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to
qualify
> for a
> > > > given series. Is there a way to account for this in the
> Sailwave
> > > > program?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Tim J.
> > > > Sailing Captain
> > > > Bald Eagle Yacht Club
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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I am confused. Are you (George and
Hobie541) suggesting that competitors who actually compete in races get
rescored as DSQ if they fail to compete in enough races? I don’t think
that is fair to the other competitors in the event. For example, if I foul
another competitor and take a 20% penalty, does that penalty go away if that
boat fails to qualify for the series? I agree with giving DNC a high score and
leaving it at that.
-Bill Hunt
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J/105 Fleet 23 (www.j105.org/fleet23)
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-----Original Message-----
From: George Gardner
[mailto:gog4@tiac.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April
23, 2002 12:14 PM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re:
Participation Requirement
Hi Hobie541,
I second your view. I
would like to convert to Sailwave from the scoring program I am currently using
(which has a participation requirement feature) but having to take care of the
final scoring step manually seems like a step backwards.
Regards
-----Original Message-----
From: hobie541
[mailto:hobie541@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April
23, 2002 12:28 AM
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation
Requirement
Yes, that will work, but it makes the math look pretty darn goofy.
I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.
For example:
If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or exclude
participant.
Make a simple profile addition, just like the discards. That way
the math ain't goofy, and it's easy to follow. Otherwise, for the
time being, I'll just have to manually exclude them. A friend of
mine saw my question about this on catsailor, and suggested I just
use Excel, but I'd really to give this program a try!
Get that feature added before Memorial Day so I don't have to write
formulas for Excel!
Thanks, man!
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> As I have argued in the past, I think this is a very practical
approach
> since it does not add the complication of qualification as such
and achieves
> the same result. CJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nygel Gardner [mailto:nygel.gardner@n...]
> Sent: ``22 April 2002`` ``19:23
> To: sailwave@y...
> Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> At Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way
round, I have
> got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC
100pts so at
> the end of the series 'technically' everbody qualifies however
anyone who
> has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the
discard
> profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the
prizes. This
> also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for
> competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed
to 'qualify'
> i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score in
the
> hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the
200s means 2
> more races required to qualify......etc (If you have big fleets
or lots of
> races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works
in practice
> have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Nygel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: sailwave2
> To: sailwave@y...
> Sent: ``Monday, April 22, 2002`` ``11:38 AM
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the scoring
> software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
> eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
> somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise...? CJ.
>
> --- In sailwave@y..., "``West Kirby`` SC" <website@w...> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The ``West Kirby`` sailing instruction say about qualification
> >
> > " In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take
part in
> at least
> > half the races in the Series"
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y...]
> > Sent: ``22 April 2002`` ``10:22
> > To: sailwave@y...
> > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you are
> > talking about qualification; as your original message said in
fact,
> > so apologies for that!
> >
> > Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave.
You can
> > hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves the
same
> > thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your
score) and
> > then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by
hand -
> and
> > include the notes field in the results. It is something I am
going
> > to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it
now.
> >
> > To help with the implementation could those users that need a
> > qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs to
the
> > group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution -
there are
> > various ways to approach it...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Colin
> >
> > --- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand how
to
> > > implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series
of 7
> > > races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
> qualify
> > > for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who only
raced
> > > in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard
profile,
> > > but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > Tim J.
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
> > > >
> > > > The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to
apply
> > after
> > > 1,2,3 etc
> > > > races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per series
basis.
> > > So a
> > > > discard profile for 50% might look like this
> > > 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> > > > depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
> > > calculation of
> > > > 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
> > > (races/2+1).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y...]
> > > > Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> > > > To: sailwave@y...
> > > > Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to
qualify
> for a
> > > > given series. Is there a way to account for this in the
> Sailwave
> > > > program?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Tim J.
> > > > Sailing Captain
> > > > Bald Eagle Yacht Club
> > > >
> > > >
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Our club has a requirement in its bylaws that you must sail in half
the races to compete for the trophy in a given series. The spirit
of the rule is that you must be present to win.
What really isn't fair is if, for example, a competitor in a seven
race series (a hotshot racer) get's three firsts, doesn't race in
the other four races, and still has a good mathematical chance of
beating someone who participated in the required number of races.
And really, if you give a high DNC score, and leave it at that, you
accomplish the same thing, but you make everyone's math look goofy
just for the sake of disqualifying the few people who didn't race in
enough races.
Tim J.
BEYC Sailing Captain
www.beyc.org
--- In sailwave@y..., "Bill Hunt" <jwhunt3@m...> wrote:
I am confused. Are you (George and Hobie541) suggesting that
competitors
who actually compete in races get rescored as DSQ if they fail to
compete in enough races? I don't think that is fair to the other
competitors in the event. For example, if I foul another
competitor and
take a 20% penalty, does that penalty go away if that boat fails to
qualify for the series? I agree with giving DNC a high score and
leaving
it at that.
-Bill Hunt
Boothbay Harbor Yacht Club (www.bhyc.net <http://www.bhyc.net/> )
J/105 Fleet 23 (www.j105.org/fleet23)
From: George Gardner [mailto:gog4@t…]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:14 PM
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementHi Hobie541,
I second your view. I would like to convert to Sailwave from the
scoring
program I am currently using (which has a participation requirement
feature) but having to take care of the final scoring step manually
seems like a step backwards.Regards
From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:28 AM
To: sailwave@y…
Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation RequirementYes, that will work, but it makes the math look pretty darn
goofy.
I would be much happier if you could add an if then statement to
your code, as another poster suggested.For example:
If number of races particpated in <50%, then DSQ or exclude
participant.Make a simple profile addition, just like the discards. That way
the math ain't goofy, and it's easy to follow. Otherwise, for the
time being, I'll just have to manually exclude them. A friend of
mine saw my question about this on catsailor, and suggested I just
use Excel, but I'd really to give this program a try!Get that feature added before Memorial Day so I don't have to
write
formulas for Excel!
Thanks, man!
Tim J.
— In sailwave@y…, "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s…> wrote:
> As I have argued in the past, I think this is a very practical
approach
> since it does not add the complication of qualification as such
and achieves
> the same result. CJ
>
> From: Nygel Gardner [mailto:nygel.gardner@n…]
> Sent: 22 April 2002 19:23
> To: sailwave@y…
> Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> At Burghfield I have approached the subject from the other way
round, I have
> got the SIs re-written to match Sailwave!! I give every DNC
100pts so at
> the end of the series 'technically' everbody qualifies however
anyone who
> has not done the required minimum of races - as specified in the
discard
> profile - will have such a high score they will not be in the
prizes. This
> also has an interesting by-product in that it is very easy for
> competitors/organisers to see how many more races were needed
to 'qualify'
> i.e. all competitors scoreing less than 100 qualify, a score
in
the
> hundreds means 1 more race required to qualify, a score in the
200s means 2
> more races required to qualify......etc (If you have big fleets
or lots of
> races you may need to change DNC = 1000). To see how this works
in practice
> have a look at www.geocities.com/bscresults
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Nygel
>
> From: sailwave2
> To: sailwave@y...
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:38 AM
> Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
>
>
> Thanks - what would your expectations be (in any) of the
scoring
> software - should is just mark those competitors that are not
> eligible for a prize of actually shuffle their results around
> somehow - do your SIs sepcify what to do points-wise…? CJ.
>
> — In sailwave@y…, "West Kirby SC" <website@w…> wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The West Kirby sailing instruction say about qualification
> >
> > " In order to qualify for a Series Prize, a boat must take
part in
> at least
> > half the races in the Series"
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > From: sailwave2 [mailto:sailwave2@y…]
> > Sent: 22 April 2002 10:22
> > To: sailwave@y…
> > Subject: [sailwave] Re: Participation Requirement
> >
> > Hi Tim,
> >
> > OK, I misunderstood you; I was talking about discards; you
are
> > talking about qualification; as your original message said
in
fact,
> > so apologies for that!
> >
> > Presently, no there is no qualification stuff in Sailwave.
You can
> > hack it by making the score for DNC very big - it achieves
the
same
> > thing (i.e. so it's impossible to win with a DNC in your
score) and
> > then put a 'did not qualify' message in the notes field by
hand -
> and
> > include the notes field in the results. It is something I
am
going
> > to automate when I can. A number of users have asked for it
now.
> >
> > To help with the implementation could those users that need a
> > qualification facility, post the relevant but of their SIs
to
the
> > group so that I can make sure of a good generic solution -
there are
> > various ways to approach it...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Colin
> >
> > --- In sailwave@y..., "hobie541" <hobie541@y...> wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I'm not sure I made myself clear, or I don't understand
how
to
> > > implement your suggestion. I put together a sample series
of 7
> > > races. Therefore, you need to race in four of the races to
> qualify
> > > for that series. So, it needs to disqualify anyone who
only
raced
> > > in three races or less. I tried pasting in your discard
profile,
> > > but the wrong sailors still one in my sample race!
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help!
> > >
> > > Tim J.
> > >
> > > --- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin@s...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Tim,
> > > >
> > > > Edit+ScoringSystem then the SeriesScoring tab.
> > > >
> > > > The "discard profile" defines the number of discard to
apply
> > after
> > > 1,2,3 etc
> > > > races have been sailed, and it is defined on a per
series
basis.
> > > So a
> > > > discard profile for 50% might look like this
> > > 0,0,1,2,2,3,3,4,4,5,5 etc. It
> > > > depends if your SI specify truncating or rounding for the
> > > calculation of
> > > > 50%; i.e. 7 can map to 3 or 4. In our club we use Round
> > > (races/2+1).
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Colin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: hobie541 [mailto:hobie541@y…]
> > > > Sent: 20 April 2002 07:12
> > > > To: sailwave@y…
> > > > Subject: [sailwave] Participation Requirement
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In our club, you have to sail in 50% of the races to
qualify
> for a
> > > > given series. Is there a way to account for this in the
> Sailwave
> > > > program?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Tim J.
> > > > Sailing Captain
> > > > Bald Eagle Yacht Club
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.sailwave.com/
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Hi Tim,
And really, if you give a high DNC score, and leave it at that, you
accomplish the same thing, but you make everyone's math look goofy
just for the sake of disqualifying the few people who didn't race in
enough races.<
I promised George I'd do the qualification/participation requirement as he
defined some months ago. I personally don't think that using a high number
of points for DNC makes the scores look odd at all and think it's a
perfectly reasonable approach.
Regards,
Colin
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Hi Colin,
George's statement:
"What would be helpful is to add a race qualification profile like
the discard profile to the series profile and then after finishing
series scoring in the usual way, check to see if boats have met the
participation (qualification) requirement. Change the series rank of
boats that have not met the requirement to DNQ (Did Not Qualify)
Then resort the order finish for the series and provide new series
rankings. The output of the series scoring should show all the boats
that participated in the series even if they sailed in only one race
and did not qualify. Competitors like to see how they might have
done if they had qualified."
Is that how you plan on doing it? Because if it is, then that's
great, as that's exactly what I want! That's also exactly what our
club's previous sailing captain did when he was using an Excel
spreadsheet to do the scoring.
As for the math looking goofy, how 'bout we just agree to
disagree? 
There's too many stubborn engineers in our club!
Thanks for your help, Colin!
Regards,
Tim J.
--- In sailwave@y..., "Colin Jenkins" <colin.jenkins@m...> wrote:
Hi Tim,
>And really, if you give a high DNC score, and leave it at that,
you
accomplish the same thing, but you make everyone's math look goofy
just for the sake of disqualifying the few people who didn't race
in
enough races.<
I promised George I'd do the qualification/participation
requirement as he
defined some months ago. I personally don't think that using a
high number
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