Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
···
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Oh dear Jon…
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248.
Ian
···
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Hi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon
···
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh dear Jon…
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
···
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
Hi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh dear Jon…
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Hi Ian,
If you want to have a play just make a copy of your existing blw file
Create aliases for boats you want to use the NHC(PY Progressive) - See the Video on this Group of how to do this easily
Set the rating system to NHC for the new fleet - internal is easiest and Rescore - thats all there is to it.
Jon
···
On 8 December 2014 at 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
Hi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh dear Jon…
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux
to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to
install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works
under WINE; hadn’t thought to do�� this before!
I haven't heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac
reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian
[sailwave] wrote:
So �Jon,�
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases andthen …
Sorry �I'm playing on a mac now and have to use a pcfor sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info
when i close down.
Ian
To: From: Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
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Jon
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07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 December
2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk
[sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
wrote:
�
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Our Std lasers sail off1108 , radials off 1110
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Ian
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 8 Dec 201414:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave]Re: Personal handicap
system� HiIan,
Yes thatis the idea -
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version of
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If you want to
try it create
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If youuse the
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JonEskdale
07976 709777
Skype“eskdale”
On 7December 2014
at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk
[sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com
wrote:�
Jon, �
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**
**
Hi Hew,
Using Wine bottler, thought I’d done it as per the latest instructions, but doesn’t play. It could be that the mac is running on 10.6.8 and needs to be upgraded. Not too brilliant on computers, usually muddle through. I’ll get to the Apple shop in Liverpool and use their genius bar soon, they’ve told me that they will have a look and see if they can upgrade and get it playing. There again, Its fine using the laptop pc for sailwave, so its dedicated to that…
Ian Crosby SC
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
···
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: From:Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
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Hi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Oh dear Jon…
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work.
Ian Crosby SC
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Hello Jon,
As the new race secretary for Abu Dhabi sailing club, I am trying to come up to speed. We previously have been using spreadsheets for scoring and I am looking for something better. I like Sailwave’s features, friendly interface and support.
We sail mixed fleets of single-hander (mostly Lasers) and double-handed dinghies (Kestrel and RS400) on many weekends through the year. There are six or seven club series over days which are usually non-consecutive.
We use the dinghy PN ratings to account for the performance of different classes of boat in each fleet. Also, to suit the different levels of sailing ability among members, some series are scored with progressive handicaps. A few series are scored twice, once with PN ratings only and once with progressive handicaps, with prizes for the best “scratch” and the best handicapped performances. There is usually also a series of pursuit races where the progressive handicaps are translated into individual start time increments.
I have studied Sailwave and generally get how to use it. I still have a few questions though, which I’ve chosen to put all together rather than in separate messages:
-
When I scored a trial series using the “PY” scoring system, I found the results sheet shows ratings for each competitor that vary between races. Sailwave is using the variable race rating to calculate the corrected times. This is not what I was expecting for PY scoring. I expected a constant rating for each class of boat would be used in each race, i.e. CT=ET/PN. For instance, the PN for the RS400 is 947. Yet, in Race 11 RS400 Sail No. DHH22 has a rating of 0.974, 3% greater that the PN. I would like to know how to set up the scoring so the constant PN rating for each boat is applied to every race in the series? (Sorry Yahoo won't let me attach the blw file.) -
A progressive personal handicap “PH” has been popular in the past at ADSC. This PH is equivalent to NCH=PH*PN, where PN is the rating for each boat class and NCH is the progressive handicap calculated by Sailwave. That is, PH is a progressive handicap calculated on the basis of PN corrected times rather than raw elapsed times. In essence, PH reflects personal sailing ability after correction for boat performance. For many competitors PH ranged from roughly 90% to 110%--lower numbers indicate greater skill in the fleet. As this method appealed to members more than a single number which blends boat performance and personal skill, I would like to know whether anyone knows a convenient way of calculating PH and publishing it in the results? -
Last, I am interested in whether races sailed in different series can count toward the progressive handicap in Sailwave? For example, on one week the club sails races 1 & 2 in Series A, the next week races 1 & 2 in Series B, and the week after races 3 & 4 in Series A. Is there a way to base progressive handicaps on consecutive races in different series like this example? Or do we need to live with separate handicaps for each series?
Sorry for writing so much and will be glad to have any advice you can offer on these three Qs.
Many thanks in advance
Ian Grant
ADSC race secretary
Hi Jon,
Curious about the personal handicap system scoring possibilities in Sailwave. We have been using the USS Portsmouth system. Of course some folks would like to use a personalized system (isn’t there always some degree of dissatisfaction with whatever rating system utilized?). At any rate, I do not see the RYA HHC or PY Progressive as options in the Rating Systems tab in Sailwave. Is that because I’m using an older version (v 2.02 build 6)?
Thanks,
Greg
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
···
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:02 AM, “‘Alphonse P. Guardino’ alphonse@optonline.net [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works under WINE; hadn’t thought to do this before!
I haven’t heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Oh dear Jon… **
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
**Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248. **
Ian
**To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
**
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work. **
Ian Crosby SC
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Hi Greg,
Yes 2.02 is very old now - Just go and grab yourself the latest version from the Sailwave site. Have a play with the sample NHC in external mode and then you can modify the Excel template to perform the custom calculation
Jon
···
On 13 December 2014 at 20:03, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Curious about the personal handicap system scoring possibilities in Sailwave. We have been using the USS Portsmouth system. Of course some folks would like to use a personalized system (isn’t there always some degree of dissatisfaction with whatever rating system utilized?). At any rate, I do not see the RYA HHC or PY Progressive as options in the Rating Systems tab in Sailwave. Is that because I’m using an older version (v 2.02 build 6)?
Thanks,
Greg
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:02 AM, “‘Alphonse P. Guardino’ alphonse@optonline.net [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works under WINE; hadn’t thought to do this before!
I haven’t heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Oh dear Jon… **
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
**Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248. **
Ian
**To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
**
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work. **
Ian Crosby SC
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Hi Ian,
-
You must have something configure incorrectly as Sailwave will not normally change the PY across races for a standard PY scoring system. You can manually change them for such occasions where you might have a dingy sailing Single handed instead of Dual handed or a boat sailing with or without a spinnaker. If you post via email yahoo normally lets you attach a blw. But if you would like just email it to me jon@sailwave.com and I’ll have a look
-
The later versions of Sailwave support personal handicap based on the NHC rules however by supplying your own template you can specify the calculations to be used. Have a play with the NHC in external mode and then modify the template to your requirements. The latest Beta version can also publish the next rating that will be used along with the results. So I think Sailwave is capable of all your requirements
-
Yes you can import results from other series into a new series so you can then perform the Series calculations
Jon
···
On 13 December 2014 at 12:01, ian.grant12@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hello Jon,
As the new race secretary for Abu Dhabi sailing club, I am trying to come up to speed. We previously have been using spreadsheets for scoring and I am looking for something better. I like Sailwave’s features, friendly interface and support.
We sail mixed fleets of single-hander (mostly Lasers) and double-handed dinghies (Kestrel and RS400) on many weekends through the year. There are six or seven club series over days which are usually non-consecutive.
We use the dinghy PN ratings to account for the performance of different classes of boat in each fleet. Also, to suit the different levels of sailing ability among members, some series are scored with progressive handicaps. A few series are scored twice, once with PN ratings only and once with progressive handicaps, with prizes for the best “scratch” and the best handicapped performances. There is usually also a series of pursuit races where the progressive handicaps are translated into individual start time increments.
I have studied Sailwave and generally get how to use it. I still have a few questions though, which I’ve chosen to put all together rather than in separate messages:
When I scored a trial series using the “PY” scoring system, I found the results sheet shows ratings for each competitor that vary between races. Sailwave is using the variable race rating to calculate the corrected times. This is not what I was expecting for PY scoring. I expected a constant rating for each class of boat would be used in each race, i.e. CT=ET/PN. For instance, the PN for the RS400 is 947. Yet, in Race 11 RS400 Sail No. DHH22 has a rating of 0.974, 3% greater that the PN. I would like to know how to set up the scoring so the constant PN rating for each boat is applied to every race in the series? (Sorry Yahoo won't let me attach the blw file.)
A progressive personal handicap “PH” has been popular in the past at ADSC. This PH is equivalent to NCH=PH*PN, where PN is the rating for each boat class and NCH is the progressive handicap calculated by Sailwave. That is, PH is a progressive handicap calculated on the basis of PN corrected times rather than raw elapsed times. In essence, PH reflects personal sailing ability after correction for boat performance. For many competitors PH ranged from roughly 90% to 110%--lower numbers indicate greater skill in the fleet. As this method appealed to members more than a single number which blends boat performance and personal skill, I would like to know whether anyone knows a convenient way of calculating PH and publishing it in the results?
Last, I am interested in whether races sailed in different series can count toward the progressive handicap in Sailwave? For example, on one week the club sails races 1 & 2 in Series A, the next week races 1 & 2 in Series B, and the week after races 3 & 4 in Series A. Is there a way to base progressive handicaps on consecutive races in different series like this example? Or do we need to live with separate handicaps for each series?
Sorry for writing so much and will be glad to have any advice you can offer on these three Qs.
Many thanks in advance
Ian Grant
ADSC race secretary
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Ian,
1. You must have something configure incorrectly as Sailwave will not
normally change the PY across races for a standard PY scoring system. You
can manually change them for such occasions where you might have a dingy
sailing Single handed instead of Dual handed or a boat sailing with or
without a spinnaker. If you post via email yahoo normally lets you attach a
blw. But if you would like just email it to me jon@sailwave.com and I'll
have a look2. The later versions of Sailwave support personal handicap based on the
NHC rules however by supplying your own template you can specify the
calculations to be used. Have a play with the NHC in external mode and then
modify the template to your requirements. The latest Beta version can also
publish the next rating that will be used along with the results. So I
think Sailwave is capable of all your requirements3. Yes you can import results from other series into a new series so you
can then perform the Series calculationsJon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"Hello Jon,
As the new race secretary for Abu Dhabi sailing club, I am trying to come
up to speed. We previously have been using spreadsheets for scoring and
I am looking for something better. I like Sailwave’s features, friendly
interface and support.We sail mixed fleets of single-hander (mostly Lasers) and double-handed
dinghies (Kestrel and RS400) on many weekends through the year. There are
six or seven club series over days which are usually non-consecutive.We use the dinghy PN ratings to account for the performance of different
classes of boat in each fleet.Also, to suit the different levels of
sailing ability among members, some series are scored with progressive
handicaps. A few series are scored twice, once with PN ratings only and
once with progressive handicaps, with prizes for the best “scratch” and the
best handicapped performances. There is usually also a series of pursuit
races where the progressive handicaps are translated into individual start
time increments.I have studied Sailwave and generally get how to use it. I still have a
few questions though, which I've chosen to put all together rather than in
separate messages:1.When I scored a trial series using the “PY” scoring system, I found
the results sheet shows ratings for each competitor that vary between races.Sailwave
is using the variable race rating to calculate the corrected times. This
is not what I was expecting for PY scoring. I expected a constant rating
for each class of boat would be used in each race, i.e. CT=ET/PN. For
instance, the PN for the RS400 is 947. Yet, in Race 11 RS400 Sail No.
DHH22 has a rating of 0.974, 3% greater that the PN. I would like to know
how to set up the scoring so the constant PN rating for each boat is
applied to every race in the series? (Sorry Yahoo won't let me attach the
blw file.)2.A progressive personal handicap “PH” has been popular in the past at
ADSC. This PH is equivalent to NCH=PH*PN, where PN is the rating for each
boat class and NCH is the progressive handicap calculated by Sailwave. That
is, PH is a progressive handicap calculated on the basis of PN corrected
times rather than raw elapsed times. In essence, PH reflects personal
sailing ability after correction for boat performance. For many
competitors PH ranged from roughly 90% to 110%--lower numbers indicate
greater skill in the fleet. As this method appealed to members more than
a single number which blends boat performance and personal skill, I would
like to know whether anyone knows a convenient way of calculating PH and
publishing it in the results?3.Last, I am interested in whether races sailed in different series can
count toward the progressive handicap in Sailwave? For example, on one
week the club sails races 1 & 2 in Series A, the next week races 1 & 2 in
Series B, and the week after races 3 & 4 in Series A. Is there a way to
base progressive handicaps on consecutive races in different series like
this example?Or do we need to live with separate handicaps for each
series?Sorry for writing so much and will be glad to have any advice you can
offer on these three Qs.Many thanks in advance
Ian Grant
ADSC race secretary
···
On 14 December 2014 at 05:49, Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave] < sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
On 13 December 2014 at 12:01, ian.grant12@gmail.com [sailwave] < > sailwave@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Jon,
Wanted to follow up. I updated the version of sailwave, opened a series sailed last year, changed the rating system to RYC HHC and then tried to score it with the external/debug mode checked.Sailwave is expecting Excel, but I use the Open Office spreadsheet program. Is there are way to make it work with Open Office?
Greg
Hi Greg,
Yes 2.02 is very old now - Just go and grab yourself the latest version from the Sailwave site. Have a play with the sample NHC in external mode and then you can modify the Excel template to perform the custom calculation
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
···
On Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:37 PM, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 13 December 2014 at 20:03, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Curious about the personal handicap system scoring possibilities in Sailwave. We have been using the USS Portsmouth system. Of course some folks would like to use a personalized system (isn’t there always some degree of dissatisfaction with whatever rating system utilized?). At any rate, I do not see the RYA HHC or PY Progressive as options in the Rating Systems tab in Sailwave. Is that because I’m using an older version (v 2.02 build 6)?
Thanks,
Greg
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:02 AM, “‘Alphonse P. Guardino’ alphonse@optonline.net [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works under WINE; hadn’t thought to do this before!
I haven’t heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Oh dear Jon… **
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
**Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248. **
Ian
**To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
**
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work. **
Ian Crosby SC
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Hi Greg,
For the external mode it is Excel only currently as it uses the COM automation of Excel.
Jon
···
On 16 January 2015 at 03:04, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Wanted to follow up. I updated the version of sailwave, opened a series sailed last year, changed the rating system to RYC HHC and then tried to score it with the external/debug mode checked.Sailwave is expecting Excel, but I use the Open Office spreadsheet program. Is there are way to make it work with Open Office?
Greg
On Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:37 PM, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Greg,
Yes 2.02 is very old now - Just go and grab yourself the latest version from the Sailwave site. Have a play with the sample NHC in external mode and then you can modify the Excel template to perform the custom calculation
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 13 December 2014 at 20:03, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Curious about the personal handicap system scoring possibilities in Sailwave. We have been using the USS Portsmouth system. Of course some folks would like to use a personalized system (isn’t there always some degree of dissatisfaction with whatever rating system utilized?). At any rate, I do not see the RYA HHC or PY Progressive as options in the Rating Systems tab in Sailwave. Is that because I’m using an older version (v 2.02 build 6)?
Thanks,
Greg
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:02 AM, “‘Alphonse P. Guardino’ alphonse@optonline.net [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works under WINE; hadn’t thought to do this before!
I haven’t heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Oh dear Jon… **
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
**Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248. **
Ian
**To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
**
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work. **
Ian Crosby SC
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07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
OK thanks.
Hi Greg,
For the external mode it is Excel only currently as it uses the COM automation of Excel.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
···
On Friday, January 16, 2015 12:44 AM, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 16 January 2015 at 03:04, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Wanted to follow up. I updated the version of sailwave, opened a series sailed last year, changed the rating system to RYC HHC and then tried to score it with the external/debug mode checked.Sailwave is expecting Excel, but I use the Open Office spreadsheet program. Is there are way to make it work with Open Office?
Greg
On Saturday, December 13, 2014 12:37 PM, “Jon Eskdale jon@sailwave.com [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Greg,
Yes 2.02 is very old now - Just go and grab yourself the latest version from the Sailwave site. Have a play with the sample NHC in external mode and then you can modify the Excel template to perform the custom calculation
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
On 13 December 2014 at 20:03, greg krutzikowsky krutz_sky@yahoo.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Jon,
Curious about the personal handicap system scoring possibilities in Sailwave. We have been using the USS Portsmouth system. Of course some folks would like to use a personalized system (isn’t there always some degree of dissatisfaction with whatever rating system utilized?). At any rate, I do not see the RYA HHC or PY Progressive as options in the Rating Systems tab in Sailwave. Is that because I’m using an older version (v 2.02 build 6)?
Thanks,
Greg
On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:02 AM, “‘Alphonse P. Guardino’ alphonse@optonline.net [sailwave]” sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Huw,
I don’t use Sailwave a lot. But I am using it on a Mac.
The application I used was called Winebottler, available free at http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
As to Excel, I use the Microsoft Office 2011 for Mac.
And I’ve had no problem with exporting sailwave series info to the clipboard for pasting into the Mac version of Excel.
Regards,
Al Guardino
Great South Bay YRA Season Scoring Chair
Long Island, New York
On Dec 8, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Huw Pearce huw.pearce@bcs.org.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Hi Ian,
What are using to run Sailwave under on the Mac? I use WINE on Linux to run Sailwave and it remembers all my Sailwave info. Will have to install Excel under WINE and see if the NHC external mode works under WINE; hadn’t thought to do this before!
I haven’t heard of any of the other few using Sailwave on a Mac reporting a similar issue.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 08/12/2014 16:09, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] wrote:
So Jon,
Start a new series and copy my info in as aliases and then …
Sorry I’m playing on a mac now and have to use a pc for sailwave as the mac doesn’t retain any sailwave info when i close down.
Ian
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 15:50:55 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap systemHi Ian,
RYA NHC (or similar version also to named PY Progressive) has 3 options when you select it in Sailwave.
- Option 1 - Internal where all calculations are done without using Excel
- Advantage no Excel needed
- Faster
- Option 2 - External Debug where the calculations are done by Sailwave automatically passing the results to Excel into which it loads a preconfigure template with the calculation rules. Then automatically reading the new Rating/Handicap back into Sailwave
- Advantage all the calculation can be seen and verified
- But needs Excel and is slower
- Option 3 - Custom External where the calculations are done by Excel as in option 2 but you supply your own template so the rules that are used to adjust the ratings are fully within your own control
- This no longer conforms to NHC standard
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 8 December 2014 at 15:40, Ian middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Oh dear Jon… **
Your second paragraph has now foxed me ! whats an External debug ? I’d really love to try and use the progressive py. I’ve already started changing the PYs for our regular club boats, but some sailors are better than others and gain massively from the moved PYs.
**Our Std lasers sail off 1108 , radials off 1110 and solos off 1124 which gives us some closer elapsed times. But then we have a 2.4m which has started to come out using 1248. **
Ian
**To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 14:08:12 +0000
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap system
**
Hi Ian,
Yes that is the idea - The current version of Sailwave will support it. If you want to try it create a set of Aliases and set their rating system to NHC and it should work. The idea is this will be called PY Progressive.
If you use the External debug system then you will see the PY numbers will get converted to their equivalent TCF for use in the standard template and then converted back to PY to go back in the Sailwave file. If it is popular may be we could create a template that uses PY numbers directly rather than converting them in the future.
Jon
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype "eskdale"
On 7 December 2014 at 19:59, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
**Jon, are you suggesting that the PY progressive will work on the dinghy PY system ? I’d love to have a go at it , if it will work. **
Ian Crosby SC
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I’ve run the progressive personal handicap now for a couple of months. The last series finished before the New Year and our Frostbite started Sunday gone.
I’m doing results using both " normal sailwave " and the “progressive”.
How do I figure our which handicap to use to start a new progressive series. The previous series had 26 races and the new will use 30 races weather permitting.
Ian
Hi Ian - You use the ratings from the old series - The ones that would have been used for the next race in the old series if there had been another race.
If you take the old series which will consist of n races + 1 where n is the number of races. The +1 race will contain the new ratings. So make a copy of the file and delete all the races except the +1 race this will now be race 1 of the new series and will contain all the correct ratings already for you. Remember to add enough new races + 1
Jon
···
On 21 January 2015 at 14:19, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I’ve run the progressive personal handicap now for a couple of months. The last series finished before the New Year and our Frostbite started Sunday gone.
I’m doing results using both " normal sailwave " and the “progressive”.
How do I figure our which handicap to use to start a new progressive series. The previous series had 26 races and the new will use 30 races weather permitting.
Ian
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”
Hi Jon
Just to say. Sorted ! I can now see the PY that will be used for the first race on the next weekend. It’s actually bringing interest back. I’m now being asked to print off this PY and put it on the results board for the members to see before going out. Scary but nobody is trying for a bad result to drop their PY YET!
Ian
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On 21 January 2015 at 14:19, middies3@hotmail.co.uk [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
I’ve run the progressive personal handicap now for a couple of months. The last series finished before the New Year and our Frostbite started Sunday gone.
I’m doing results using both " normal sailwave " and the “progressive”.
How do I figure our which handicap to use to start a new progressive series. The previous series had 26 races and the new will use 30 races weather permitting.
Ian
Jon Eskdale
07976 709777
Skype “eskdale”