I feel a bit silly as I should be able to do this!
We have started our new season and I have a personal handicap series in conjunction with our yardstick series, but I cannot get SW to calculate the personal handicap for the one fleet (Sabre Handicap)
I have 4 fleets, all but the Sabre Handicap is to use the handicap scoring, but I cannot get SW to recognise teh different fleets.
Can you help, please?
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:
This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:
Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,
Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
Hi Rob,
While I am not familiar with the rating system you are using, I have received this message when the fleet value for the competitor didn’t match the fleet value in my race/scoring information.
Peggy
Peggy Powers
STOTT PILATES Certified instructor
ACE Certified Personal Trainer
CORE Instructor
310-344-7410
···
On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:55 PM, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race
will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to
have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score
the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed,
even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you
send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating
set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different
handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is
achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the firstrace will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you
need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when
you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating
to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file ifyou send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default
rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on differenthandicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this
is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
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On 22/10/2017 01:55, [sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring
system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using
the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH
class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my
ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that I have twooverrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated Regards, Rob Morton Pambula, NSW, Australia
Thanks Peggy,
My fleets do match.
Regards,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 13:24
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Hi Rob,
While I am not familiar with the rating system you are using, I have received this message when the fleet value for the competitor didn’t match the fleet value in my race/scoring information.
Peggy
Peggy Powers
STOTT PILATES Certified instructor
ACE Certified Personal Trainer
CORE Instructor
310-344-7410
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On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:55 PM, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] sailwave@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
Thanks Huw,
I do understand all you have stated.
I have the extra, non sailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
I have used aliases as you state.
Please find my sailwave file (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
Regards,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
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Hi Rob,
Great you had all the points covered that I raised.
I have a attached my modified Sailwave >BLW file and a
modified VYCPN.CSV file, although you will never find the change
in the CSV file!
What have I done?
CSV file
I have inserted a completely new line for the Manly Graduate by
completely re-typing the line and then deleting the line that was
already there. Although in Notepad I cannot see anything wrong
with the line originally in your file, making this change removes
the warning error that Sailwave cannot find a rating for the Manly
Graduate. I have seen this happen a couple of times in the past.
Sailwave.BLW
-
over ride that auto sets the ratingremoved the check box on the rating tab for the Sabre PH fleet -
rating tab for Sabre PH over rideset the check box on 'inherit' on the bottom right of the -
the Sabre PH competitors to 127Used Tools | Set competitor field to set the rating field for
I hope this all makes sense and you find useful.
One other thing when I display race ratings that boat 'Crewless ’
a Devoti D One has a different rating set for Race PS03 of 103.2
Kind regards,
Huw
···
On 22/10/2017 09:02, ‘Rob Morton -
GMail’ [sailwave] wrote:
Thanks Huw,
I do understand all youhave stated.
I have the extra, nonsailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
I have used aliases asyou state.
Please find my sailwavefile (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
Regards,
Rob
RobMorton
PambulaNSW Australia
From:
[] Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal
handicap
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system.Only the first race will be scored using the base
rating. Also not that you need to have one more
race than will be actually sailed so when you
score the last race there is somewhere for the
new rating to be placed, even though it will not
be used.
If you would like I will take a look at yourSailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be
able to see how the default rating set-up is
configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats ondifferent handicap systems and only have to enter
finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 08:12, HuwPearce wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system.Only the first race will be scored using the
base rating. Also not that you need to have one
more race than will be actually sailed so when
you score the last race there is somewhere for
the new rating to be placed, even though it will
not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at yourSailwave file if you send it to me. I will then
be able to see how the default rating set-up is
configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats ondifferent handicap systems and only have to
enter finish times once, this is achieved using
aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com
[sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the
scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’
fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of
calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the
Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite
the class being in my ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that Ihave two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated Regards, Rob Morton Pambula, NSW, Australia
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Subject:
Thanks Huw,
This is getting down to nitty gritty, I think.
What you have done has solved my problem, of course. Thank you very much!
I am yet to completely ponder the changes! Interestingly, I did not have an issue with the Manly Graduate in the scoring, but I will try to remember your fix if I find another issue with an inability to find the rating for a class.
The Devoti D One was sailing 2 up so as per the Victorian Yardstick, he gets a yardstick change of 4.2%, hence the change 
Thanks yet again for your help with such a great program!
Best Wishes,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 20:08
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap [2 Attachments]
Hi Rob,
Great you had all the points covered that I raised.
I have a attached my modified Sailwave >BLW file and a modified VYCPN.CSV file, although you will never find the change in the CSV file!
What have I done?
CSV file
I have inserted a completely new line for the Manly Graduate by completely re-typing the line and then deleting the line that was already there. Although in Notepad I cannot see anything wrong with the line originally in your file, making this change removes the warning error that Sailwave cannot find a rating for the Manly Graduate. I have seen this happen a couple of times in the past.
Sailwave.BLW
-
removed the check box on the rating tab for the Sabre PH fleet over ride that auto sets the rating
-
set the check box on ‘inherit’ on the bottom right of the rating tab for Sabre PH over ride
-
Used Tools | Set competitor field to set the rating field for the Sabre PH competitors to 127
I hope this all makes sense and you find useful.
One other thing when I display race ratings that boat ‘Crewless’ a Devoti D One has a different rating set for Race PS03 of 103.2
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 09:02, ‘Rob Morton - GMail’ robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
Thanks Huw,
I do understand all you have stated.
I have the extra, non sailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
I have used aliases as you state.
Please find my sailwave file (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
Regards,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
Virus-free. www.avast.com
Hi Rob,
I am in my second season of using RYA NHC system for doing PH.
Please note the formula for NHC is e * r (where e is elapsed time and r is the rating). When I checked the results I got some results that were different to what I expected.
My fleet are mixed classes.
VYC is (e * 100)/ r.
Where all the competitors have the same class I have no idea if the errors will be the same for all competitors.
You could start all competitors with a rating of 1 or .787 which is 127 converted to give the same rating correction factor in the NHC system. The formula to convert VYC to TCF is 100/r.
Have fun sailing.
Kind regards JohnL.
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 22 October 2017 19:58
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Thanks Huw,
This is getting down to nitty gritty, I think.
What you have done has solved my problem, of course. Thank you very much!
I am yet to completely ponder the changes! Interestingly, I did not have an issue with the Manly Graduate in the scoring, but I will try to remember your fix if I find another issue with an inability to find the rating for a class.
The Devoti D One was sailing 2 up so as per the Victorian Yardstick, he gets a yardstick change of 4.2%, hence the chan! ge
Thanks yet again for your help with such a great program!
Best Wishes,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 20:08
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap [2 Attachments]
Hi Rob,
Great you had all the points covered that I raised.
I have a attached my modified Sailwave >BLW file and a modified VYCPN.CSV file, although you will never find the change in the CSV file!
What have I done?
CSV file
I have inserted a completely new line for the Manly Graduate by completely re-typing the line and then deleting the line that was already there. Although in Notepad I cannot see anything wrong with the line originally in your file, making this change removes the warning! error that Sailwave cannot find a rating for the Manly Graduate. I have seen this happen a couple of times in the past.
Sailwave.BLW
-
removed the check box on the rating tab for the Sabre PH fleet over ride that auto sets the rating
-
set the check box on ‘inherit’ on the bottom right of the rating tab for Sabre PH over ride
-
Used Tools | Set competitor field to set the rating field for the Sabre PH competitors to 127
I hope this all makes sense and you find useful.
One other thing when I display race ratings that boat ‘Crewless’ a Devoti D One has a different rating set for Race PS03 of 103.2
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 09:02, ‘Rob Morton - GMail’ ro! bert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
Thanks Huw,
I do understand all you have stated.
I have the extra, non sailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
I have used aliases as you state.
Please find my sailwave file (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
Regards,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configu! red.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
Kind rega! rds,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the ‘Sabre Handicap’ fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
See:
This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
See:
Any ideas now would be appreciated
Regards,Rob Morton
Pambula, NSW, Australia
Virus-! free. www.avast.com
If External mode is selected for Sailwave NHC, the Excel template
will convert from Portsmouth or VHC and back for the updated
ratings.
···
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei South Africa
On 2017-10-23 12:02, 'john'
[sailwave] wrote:
Hi Rob,
I am in mysecond season of using RYA NHC system for doing PH.
Please notethe formula for NHC is e * r (where e is elapsed time
and r is the rating). When I checked the results I
got some results that were different to what I
expected.
My fleet aremixed classes.
VYC is (e *100)/ r.
Where all thecompetitors have the same class I have no idea if the
errors will be the same for all competitors.
You couldstart all competitors with a rating of 1 or .787 which
is 127 converted to give the same rating correction
factor in the NHC system. The formula to convert VYC
to TCF is 100/r.
Have funsailing.
Kind regardsJohnL.
From:
[] 22 October 2017 19:58RE: [sailwave] Re: Personal
handicap
Thanks Huw,
This is getting down to nittygritty, I think.
What you have done has solvedmy problem, of course. Thank you very much!
I am yet to completely ponderthe changes! Interestingly, I did not have an
issue with the Manly Graduate in the scoring,
but I will try to remember your fix if I find
another issue with an inability to find the
rating for a class.
The Devoti D One was sailing2 up so as per the Victorian Yardstick, he gets
a yardstick change of 4.2%, hence the chan! ge
Thanks yet again for yourhelp with such a great program!
Best Wishes,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
From:
[] Sunday, 22 October 2017 20:08
Re: [sailwave] Re:
Personal handicap [2 Attachments]
Hi Rob,
Great you had all the points covered thatI raised.
I have a attached my modified SailwaveBLW file and a modified VYCPN.CSV
file, although you will never find the
change in the CSV file!
What have I done?
CSV file
I have inserted a completely new line forthe Manly Graduate by completely re-typing
the line and then deleting the line that
was already there. Although in Notepad I
cannot see anything wrong with the line
originally in your file, making this
change removes the warning! error that
Sailwave cannot find a rating for the
Manly Graduate. I have seen this happen a
couple of times in the past.
Sailwave.BLW
removed the check
fleet over ride that auto sets the
ratingset the check box
rating tab for Sabre PH over rideUsed Tools | Set
for the Sabre PH competitors to 127
I hope this all makes sense and you find
useful.
One other thing when I display raceratings that boat 'Crewless ’ a
Devoti D One has a different rating set
for Race PS03 of 103.2
Kind regards,
Huw
On 22/10/2017 09:02,‘Rob Morton - GMail’ ro!
bert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave]
wrote:
Thanks Huw,
I do understandall you have stated.
I have the extra,non sailed race for the handicaps to
be placed.
I have usedaliases as you state.
Please find mysailwave file (& my rating
files, just in case) attached.
Regards,
Rob
RobMorton
PambulaNSW Australia
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: Sunday, 22
October 2017 18:14
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave]
Re: Personal handicap
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is a progressivehandicap system. Only the
first race will be scored
using the base rating. Also
not that you need to have one
more race than will be
actually sailed so when you
score the last race there is
somewhere for the new rating
to be placed, even though it
will not be used.
If you would like I will takea look at your Sailwave file
if you send it to me. I will
then be able to see how the
default rating set-up is
configu! red.
Remember that you can score agroup of boats on different
handicap systems and only have
to enter finish times once,
this is achieved using
aliases.
Kind regards,
Huw
On22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce
wrote:
Hi Rob,
The RYA NHC is aprogressive handicap system.
Only the first race will be
scored using the base
rating. Also not that you
need to have one more race
than will be actually sailed
so when you score the last
race there is somewhere for
the new rating to be placed,
even though it will not be
used.
If you would like I willtake a look at your Sailwave
file if you send it to me. I
will then be able to see how
the default rating set-up is
configured.
Remember that you can scorea group of boats on
different handicap systems
and only have to enter
finish times once, this is
achieved using aliases.
Kind rega! rds,
Huw
On22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com
[sailwave] wrote:
Dear all,
I think I have now
appropriately changed
the scoring system for
the ‘Sabre Handicap’
fleet to RYA NHC, using
the internal mode of
calculation.
The program does not
allow my rating for the
Sabre - PH class to
stick at 127, despite
the class being in my
ratings file.
See:This is my fleet setup.It states that I have
two overrides, RatSys
and RatAB.
See:Any ideas now would beappreciated
Regards,Rob Morton Pambula, NSW, Australia
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jladewig@tpg.com.au
sailwave@yahoogroups.commailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
**To:**sailwave@yahoogroups.com
**Subject:**sailwave@yahoogroups.commailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Sent:
**To:**sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Hi Malcom,
Thanks for your comments.
I did my testing about 18 months ago using VYC and cannot remember the exact results. I have not tried the Portsmouth ratings
I used both internal and external NHC systems, I was getting different results for each system.
When I asked the question I was advised to use a TCF rating.
I think using a TCF rating will ensure the results are accurate.
Of course if you want to vary the adjustment factors then external is the only option.
Rob,
If you start using 1 as the initial rating for the Sabres then you should soon have boats both above and below 1, and any difference *100 will be the percentage difference, and should be easier for competitors to understand
Kind regards JohnL.
···
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 23 October 2017 22:19
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
If External mode is selected for Sailwave NHC, the Excel template will convert from Portsmouth or VHC and back for the updated ratings.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei South Africa
On 2017-10-23 12:02, 'john' jladewig@tpg.com.au [sailwave] wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I am in my second season of using RYA NHC system for doing PH.
>
> Please note the formula for NHC is e * r (where e is elapsed time and r is the rating). When I checked the results I got some results that were different to what I expected.
> My fleet are mixed classes.
> VYC is (e * 100)/ r.
> Where all the competitors have the same class I have no idea if the errors will be the same for all competitors.
> You could start all competitors with a rating of 1 or .787 which is 127 converted to give the same rating correction factor in the NHC system. The formula to convert VYC to TCF is 100/r.
>
> Have fun sailing.
>
> Kind regards JohnL.
>
> **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> **Sent:** 22 October 2017 19:58
> **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> **Subject:** RE: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
> Thanks Huw,
> This is getting down to nitty gritty, I think.
> What you have done has solved my problem, of course. Thank you very much!
> I am yet to completely ponder the changes! Interestingly, I did not have an issue with the Manly Graduate in the scoring, but I will try to remember your fix if I find another issue with an inability to find the rating for a class.
> The Devoti D One was sailing 2 up so as per the Victorian Yardstick, he gets a yardstick change of 4.2%, hence the chan! ge 😊
> Thanks yet again for your help with such a great program!
> Best Wishes,
> Rob
> Rob Morton
> Pambula NSW Australia
> **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> **Sent:** Sunday, 22 October 2017 20:08
> **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> **Subject:** Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap [2 Attachments]
> Hi Rob,
> Great you had all the points covered that I raised.
> I have a attached my modified Sailwave >BLW file and a modified VYCPN.CSV file, although you will never find the change in the CSV file!
> What have I done?
> **CSV file**
> I have inserted a completely new line for the Manly Graduate by completely re-typing the line and then deleting the line that was already there. Although in Notepad I cannot see anything wrong with the line originally in your file, making this change removes the warning! error that Sailwave cannot find a rating for the Manly Graduate. I have seen this happen a couple of times in the past.
> **Sailwave.BLW**
> - removed the check box on the rating tab for the Sabre PH fleet over ride that auto sets the rating
> - set the check box on 'inherit' on the bottom right of the rating tab for Sabre PH over ride
> - Used Tools | Set competitor field to set the rating field for the Sabre PH competitors to 127
> I hope this all makes sense and you find useful.
> One other thing when I display race ratings that boat '*Crewless*' a Devoti D One has a different rating set for Race PS03 of 103.2
> Kind regards,
> Huw
> On 22/10/2017 09:02, 'Rob Morton - GMail' ro! bert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
> > Thanks Huw,
> > I do understand all you have stated.
> > I have the extra, non sailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
> > I have used aliases as you state.
> > Please find my sailwave file (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> > Rob Morton
> > Pambula NSW Australia
> > **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> > **Sent:** Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
> > **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > **Subject:** Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
> > Hi Rob,
> > The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
> > If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configu! red.
> > Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
> > > Hi Rob,
> > > The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
> > > If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
> > > Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
> > > Kind rega! rds,
> > > Huw
> > > On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the 'Sabre Handicap' fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
> > > > The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
> > > > See:
> > > > <img border="0" width="459" height="236" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D34CAB.DA3E4930" alt="Image removed
> > > > by sender.">
> > > > This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
> > > > See:
> > > > <img border="0" width="485" height="416" id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D34CAB.DA3E4930" alt="Image removed
> > > > by sender.">
> > > > Any ideas now would be appreciated
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rob Morton
> > > > Pambula, NSW, Australia
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</details>Thanks John,
I have changed the staring ratings to be 100/VY, so there is some ease of assessment of the ratings.
That seems to work well.
Cheers,
Rob
Rob Morton
Pambula NSW Australia
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From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2017 10:46
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
Hi Malcom,
Thanks for your comments.
I did my testing about 18 months ago using VYC and cannot remember the exact results. I have not tried the Portsmouth ratings
I used both internal and external NHC systems, I was getting different results for each system.
When I asked the question I was advised to use a TCF rating.
I think using a TCF rating will ensure the results are accurate.
Of course if you want to vary the adjustment factors then external is the only option.
Rob,
If you start using 1 as the initial rating for the Sabres then you should soon have boats both above and below 1, and any difference *100 will be the percentage difference, and should be easier for competitors to understand
Kind regards JohnL.
From: sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 23 October 2017 22:19
To: sailwave@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
If External mode is selected for Sailwave NHC, the Excel template will convert from Portsmouth or VHC and back for the updated ratings.
regards,
Malcolm Osborne
Rondevlei South Africa
On 2017-10-23 12:02, 'john' jladewig@tpg.com.au [sailwave] wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I am in my second season of using RYA NHC system for doing PH.
>
> Please note the formula for NHC is e * r (where e is elapsed time and r is the rating). When I checked the results I got some results that were different to what I expected.
> My fleet are mixed classes.
> VYC is (e * 100)/ r.
> Where all the competitors have the same class I have no idea if the errors will be the same for all competitors.
> You could start all competitors with a rating of 1 or .787 which is 127 converted to give the same rating correction factor in the NHC system. The formula to convert VYC to TCF is 100/r.
>
> Have fun sailing.
>
> Kind regards JohnL.
>
> **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> **Sent:** 22 October 2017 19:58
> **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> **Subject:** RE: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
> Thanks Huw,
> This is getting down to nitty gritty, I think.
> What you have done has solved my problem, of course. Thank you very much!
> I am yet to completely ponder the changes! Interestingly, I did not have an issue with the Manly Graduate in the scoring, but I will try to remember your fix if I find another issue with an inability to find the rating for a class.
> The Devoti D One was sailing 2 up so as per the Victorian Yardstick, he gets a yardstick change of 4.2%, hence the chan! ge 😊
> Thanks yet again for your help with such a great program!
> Best Wishes,
> Rob
> Rob Morton
> Pambula NSW Australia
> **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> **Sent:** Sunday, 22 October 2017 20:08
> **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> **Subject:** Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap [2 Attachments]
> Hi Rob,
> Great you had all the points covered that I raised.
> I have a attached my modified Sailwave >BLW file and a modified VYCPN.CSV file, although you will never find the change in the CSV file!
> What have I done?
> **CSV file**
> I have inserted a completely new line for the Manly Graduate by completely re-typing the line and then deleting the line that was already there. Although in Notepad I cannot see anything wrong with the line originally in your file, making this change removes the warning! error that Sailwave cannot find a rating for the Manly Graduate. I have seen this happen a couple of times in the past.
> **Sailwave.BLW**
> - removed the check box on the rating tab for the Sabre PH fleet over ride that auto sets the rating
> - set the check box on 'inherit' on the bottom right of the rating tab for Sabre PH over ride
> - Used Tools | Set competitor field to set the rating field for the Sabre PH competitors to 127
> I hope this all makes sense and you find useful.
> One other thing when I display race ratings that boat '*Crewless*' a Devoti D One has a different rating set for Race PS03 of 103.2
> Kind regards,
> Huw
> On 22/10/2017 09:02, 'Rob Morton - GMail' ro! bert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
> > Thanks Huw,
> > I do understand all you have stated.
> > I have the extra, non sailed race for the handicaps to be placed.
> > I have used aliases as you state.
> > Please find my sailwave file (& my rating files, just in case) attached.
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> > Rob Morton
> > Pambula NSW Australia
> > **From:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com [mailto:sailwave@yahoogroups.com]
> > **Sent:** Sunday, 22 October 2017 18:14
> > **To:** sailwave@yahoogroups.com
> > **Subject:** Re: [sailwave] Re: Personal handicap
> > Hi Rob,
> > The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
> > If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configu! red.
> > Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
> > Kind regards,
> > Huw
> > On 22/10/2017 08:12, Huw Pearce wrote:
> > > Hi Rob,
> > > The RYA NHC is a progressive handicap system. Only the first race will be scored using the base rating. Also not that you need to have one more race than will be actually sailed so when you score the last race there is somewhere for the new rating to be placed, even though it will not be used.
> > > If you would like I will take a look at your Sailwave file if you send it to me. I will then be able to see how the default rating set-up is configured.
> > > Remember that you can score a group of boats on different handicap systems and only have to enter finish times once, this is achieved using aliases.
> > > Kind rega! rds,
> > > Huw
> > > On 22/10/2017 01:55, robert.d.morton@gmail.com [sailwave] wrote:
> > > > Dear all,
> > > > I think I have now appropriately changed the scoring system for the 'Sabre Handicap' fleet to RYA NHC, using the internal mode of calculation.
> > > > The program does not allow my rating for the Sabre - PH class to stick at 127, despite the class being in my ratings file.
> > > > See:
> > > > <img border="0" width="459" height="236" style="width:4.7812in;height:2.4583in" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D35158.A9B21AB0" alt="Image removed
> > > > by sender.">
> > > > This is my fleet setup. It states that I have two overrides, RatSys and RatAB.
> > > > See:
> > > > <img border="0" width="485" height="416" style="width:5.052in;height:4.3333in" id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.jpg@01D35158.A9B21AB0" alt="Image removed
> > > > by sender.">
> > > > Any ideas now would be appreciated
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Rob Morton
> > > > Pambula, NSW, Australia
> > [<img border="0" width="46" height="29" style="width:.4791in;height:.302in" id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D35158.A9B21AB0" alt="Image
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